America is divided on the debt ceiling issue; so which side you are in? (117)
Actractorguy: I'm on the side that reduces government by at least by 30 preferably 50%
I'de like to see government shut-down and the first paychecks withheld be to the Senators and Congressmen ....
romanticman4u: nO FAIR Conrad VOTED 10 TIMES
Nope,i am NOT with ACORN!
Cowhand: Oh the matter is... you guess what... the ones who made it big time bad, of course want's the others to take the blame...... As usual.....Money makers never take the blame for their own faults.... who made the Financiel crisis ??? who started that...????Will they ever learn ... no, no. no........ and so it goes on and on.......
Moneymakers can't afford Crises like that!Money-Moochers need them!
leigh2154: Many do not realize the debt ceiling has "often" been raised by government...74 times in the last 49 years to be exact...
Pros include avoiding a funding crisis and avoiding default on current loans, which if defaulted on, would trigger "World" wide panic in financial markets....
Cons include letting government continue to operate "beyond" its' means and "allowing" ballooning debt to continue...."allowing" it to grow unchecked....
I am all for checks and balances....Even so, as an "Independent" voter, I am in favor of raising the debit ceiling, BUT only with deficit reduction and spending cutbacks as a condition, along with putting the cutbacks "in place" immediately....
Pros include avoiding a funding crisis and avoiding default on current loans, which if defaulted on, would trigger "World" wide panic in financial markets....
Cons include letting government continue to operate "beyond" its' means and "allowing" ballooning debt to continue...."allowing" it to grow unchecked....
I am all for checks and balances....Even so, as an "Independent" voter, I am in favor of raising the debit ceiling, BUT only with deficit reduction and spending cutbacks as a condition, along with putting the cutbacks "in place" immediately....
That seems to be the nuts and bolts of what the republicans, in general, want. Raise the debt ceiling and meet our obligations, but include serious and immediate cuts to spending sufficient to keep our triple-A rating. And that's what democrats DON'T want. They want the cap to be lifted and lifted by a wide margin. They want to offset that with a trillion dollars in tax increases and three trillion dollars in gimmicks posed as "spending cuts".
The solution that passes both houses and gets signed will be:
* A large lift of the cap enough to let Obama spend throughout his term as he pleases. (democrats won't budge on this)
* A small set of immediate spending cuts (a bone they'll throw to republicans)
* A large set of "future" spending cuts that are all smoke and mirrors designed just to allow them to claim that "technically
they're spending cuts". (spending cuts that aren't spending cuts, compliments of democrats).
And life will go on with not much chanaged except that the latter will probably still cause us to lose our triple-A rating, which is the biggest problem we're really facing.
gardenhackle: That seems to be the nuts and bolts of what the republicans, in general, want. Raise the debt ceiling and meet our obligations, but include serious and immediate cuts to spending sufficient to keep our triple-A rating. And that's what democrats DON'T want. They want the cap to be lifted and lifted by a wide margin. They want to offset that with a trillion dollars in tax increases and three trillion dollars in gimmicks posed as "spending cuts".
The solution that passes both houses and gets signed will be:
* A large lift of the cap enough to let Obama spend throughout his term as he pleases. (democrats won't budge on this)
* A small set of immediate spending cuts (a bone they'll throw to republicans)
* A large set of "future" spending cuts that are all smoke and mirrors designed just to allow them to claim that "technically
they're spending cuts". (spending cuts that aren't spending cuts, compliments of democrats).
And life will go on with not much chanaged except that the latter will probably still cause us to lose our triple-A rating, which is the biggest problem we're really facing.
"Cuts" which are actually just less spending,NOT "Cuts" at all!The solution that passes both houses and gets signed will be:
* A large lift of the cap enough to let Obama spend throughout his term as he pleases. (democrats won't budge on this)
* A small set of immediate spending cuts (a bone they'll throw to republicans)
* A large set of "future" spending cuts that are all smoke and mirrors designed just to allow them to claim that "technically
they're spending cuts". (spending cuts that aren't spending cuts, compliments of democrats).
And life will go on with not much chanaged except that the latter will probably still cause us to lose our triple-A rating, which is the biggest problem we're really facing.
Spending as if they're Mad,instead of spending as if they were INSANE!
All Obama is going to do if the Debt Ceiling is raised is spend more money for his useless projects when translates into more taxes for the people to pay. I can't wait until the average American see that this guy is trying to destroy America through useless spending. Not one program that he came up with worked but cost billions in tax payers money.
JRobert369: All Obama is going to do if the Debt Ceiling is raised is spend more money for his useless projects when translates into more taxes for the people to pay. I can't wait until the average American see that this guy is trying to destroy America through useless spending. Not one program that he came up with worked but cost billions in tax payers money.
Uhhhh, the debt ceiling raise is to pay for years ( including Bush era ) debt tht has already accumulated .....
jvaski: Uhhhh, the debt ceiling raise is to pay for years ( including Bush era ) debt tht has already accumulated .....
nothing like your Exalted One's Debt!
JRobert369: All Obama is going to do if the Debt Ceiling is raised is spend more money for his useless projects when translates into more taxes for the people to pay. I can't wait until the average American see that this guy is trying to destroy America through useless spending. Not one program that he came up with worked but cost billions in tax payers money.
The new Economic numbers are as bleak as they have ever been in the US this week. It's depressing to even look at the numbers.
Question?
Tell us 1 thing Obama and the Democrats has promised and came true.
Question?
Tell us 1 thing Obama and the Democrats has promised and came true.
He did say he'd transform America.
He's doing it by gosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's doing it by gosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All he has to do is have the treasury print more of that worthless money that's been churned out the past 2 years.
It's pretty amazing that someone is accusing me of bashing my country when I don't feel that I am by posting my true and honest opinions about what's taking place regarding the debt ceiling issue or any other issue which affects my life or anybody elses life.I have just as right as any other US citizen to voice my opinons whether they be a popular or not.
Just because I'm upset with both political parties I wouldn't necessary consider that bashing my government.If I don't get involved or concerned then I'm just as much to blame as the ones who make all those decisions in the political arena.
I feel that both parties are wrong in what they're doing right now and if they really cared about the ones who put them into their postions they would be doing what's right.
Now the vote on the bill that the speaker of the house has been dealing with has been postponed cause he can't get enough votes out of his own party and that's pretty bad/sad whatever one wishes to label it all.
I'm not apologizing for how I feel about the whole process.
Just because I'm upset with both political parties I wouldn't necessary consider that bashing my government.If I don't get involved or concerned then I'm just as much to blame as the ones who make all those decisions in the political arena.
I feel that both parties are wrong in what they're doing right now and if they really cared about the ones who put them into their postions they would be doing what's right.
Now the vote on the bill that the speaker of the house has been dealing with has been postponed cause he can't get enough votes out of his own party and that's pretty bad/sad whatever one wishes to label it all.
I'm not apologizing for how I feel about the whole process.
Ibotabo: Worthless? Are you mean fake notes?
Zimbi-Dollars!johnaustin123: The new Economic numbers are as bleak as they have ever been in the US this week. It's depressing to even look at the numbers.
Question?
Tell us 1 thing Obama and the Democrats has promised and came true.
Question?
Tell us 1 thing Obama and the Democrats has promised and came true.
They stopped enforcing the immigration laws.
Ccincy: It's pretty amazing that someone is accusing me of bashing my country when I don't feel that I am by posting my true and honest opinions about what's taking place regarding the debt ceiling issue or any other issue which affects my life or anybody elses life.I have just as right as any other US citizen to voice my opinons whether they be a popular or not.
Just because I'm upset with both political parties I wouldn't necessary consider that bashing my government.If I don't get involved or concerned then I'm just as much to blame as the ones who make all those decisions in the political arena.
I feel that both parties are wrong in what they're doing right now and if they really cared about the ones who put them into their postions they would be doing what's right.
Now the vote on the bill that the speaker of the house has been dealing with has been postponed cause he can't get enough votes out of his own party and that's pretty bad/sad whatever one wishes to label it all.
I'm not apologizing for how I feel about the whole process.
say it as you like it’s your right Just because I'm upset with both political parties I wouldn't necessary consider that bashing my government.If I don't get involved or concerned then I'm just as much to blame as the ones who make all those decisions in the political arena.
I feel that both parties are wrong in what they're doing right now and if they really cared about the ones who put them into their postions they would be doing what's right.
Now the vote on the bill that the speaker of the house has been dealing with has been postponed cause he can't get enough votes out of his own party and that's pretty bad/sad whatever one wishes to label it all.
I'm not apologizing for how I feel about the whole process.
jvaski: Uhhhh, the debt ceiling raise is to pay for years ( including Bush era ) debt tht has already accumulated .....
Of course, that, and all that record setting new debt that Obama keeps adding.
The "official" debt was 9 trillion when Obama took office and is 14 trillion now.
And the real debt figure is 5 times that amount.
Don216: $9 Trillion to 14 in less than 3 years. Thankfully everyone has a job, no mortgages are in default and GDP growth is over 3% ..... Oh, WAIT ...
Must be all that change we were promised!! Don't see much hope though.
Must be all that change we were promised!! Don't see much hope though.
Ibotabo: This palls is for the current economic situation America is in right now, and it has been expected to default on august 2. The media had just report that Democrats & republicans are going to vote for a plan not accepted even by the president, what you think will happen? What you would like to happen?
Since the democrats took control of the senate in January 2009, they have yet to produce a budget for a floor vote. Every budget sent to the senate by the current republican controlled house has been reject and no conference committee to work out any possible differences between the 2 houses has not been authorized by the democrat leadership.
The current democrat plan being floated would add over $10,000 in debt for every man, woman and child in the U.S. and there is no end in sight. Even the house speakers current proposal would still add $9T to the debt by 2020.
So, the choice is to be $23.5T in debt under the republican plan by 2020, or be $27.8T in debt under the democrat plan. Either will result in a significant increase in interest rates.
Don216: $9 Trillion to 14 in less than 3 years. Thankfully everyone has a job, no mortgages are in default and GDP growth is over 3% ..... Oh, WAIT ...
Must be all that change we were promised!! Don't see much hope though.
all thanks to the actions of "Fearless Leader"!Must be all that change we were promised!! Don't see much hope though.
Conrad73: all thanks to the actions of "Fearless Leader"!
Well, to be honest Conrad, although Obama is by far the worst, all the other recent administrations had their share of the blame too. They all spent more money than the nation could afford.
The crash of the economy was inevitable with or without Obama.
But Obama put a lot of expensive new nails in the coffin.
RayfromUSA: Well, to be honest Conrad, although Obama is by far the worst, all the other recent administrations had their share of the blame too. They all spent more money than the nation could afford.
The crash of the economy was inevitable with or without Obama.
But Obama put a lot of expensive new nails in the coffin.
Obama,The Ultimate Patsy!The crash of the economy was inevitable with or without Obama.
But Obama put a lot of expensive new nails in the coffin.
Conrad73: Obama,The Ultimate Patsy!
wonder if George Soros will use him in some capacity after Jan.22nd,2013!leigh2154: Not since the "Great Depression" has America faced a financial crunch such as the one she faces now...In my opinion, this so called recession is even worse because it is much more convoluted....it is much harder to resolve.....and it has been a long time in the making....Of course some of the "airtime" is campaigned based, however that does not diminish the problem Ccincy.....The parties are not so much divided as they are aware of what is at stake...The more complicated a problem, the harder it is to solve...IMO, it is times like these that Americans need to get behind their government, not bash it....
I'm on the side that sorts it out, if America goes down we all suffer
tomcatwarne: I'm on the side that sorts it out, if America goes down we all suffer
simple,stop spending as if there was no tomorrow,and stop bailing out your Cronies!But the Exalted one needs funds for 2012,so the bailing out,errrm,Payback for Support will keep on keeping on!
Conrad73: Obama,The Ultimate Patsy!
please have some respect to the presidentRayfromUSA: Well,Obama is by far the worst.
Obama put a lot of expensive new nails in the coffin.
Obama put a lot of expensive new nails in the coffin.
whatch you are saying he is the best that is why he got the Nobel Prize
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we might find out if that 75% had saved for their own future,,seeing as if this really does cut off all those people, and there are a lot,,friends,,my Mother,, those people would be forced to take some kind of action,,,and many could just die on the street. I don't know what will happen but I really do believe that like most of politics they have other reasons for not only doing this but to make way for future decisions that one might not have gone along with,,,A lot of overpaid,,just as there are so many underpaid..so the pendulum shall swing far to one side as it always does in history,,,