is tolerance a part of your personal belief system? (95)
wolfenfunriddle, Oregon USA16 Threads 5 Polls 302 Postsrohaan: I agree that often things can be considered as "splitting hairs". This is not one of them.
you trading apprehension for tolerance.i'm saying anyone new in a neighborhood,no matter what the ethnic background is going to be looked at hard for a while. just go do it. help your neighbor jumpstart his truck, or give one of the others a ride to the store,setting a good example is all it takes to start trust,that's key
rohaan: I guess I need to be more clear in what I am saying. The word "tolerant" implies that one is behaving amicably "in spite of", or, with reluctance, at least. It is not a welcoming trait. It's like saying, "I will invite you to my home even though you are....." instead of having a heart absent of any conditions or malice whatsoever, like "I will invite you to my home BECAUSE you are (my friend, etc...) "Tolerate" implies trepidation, conditions, etc...It is not a "friendly" word.
yes I understood this idea. why I'd prefer they be friendly and would not care if they were tolerant. We have to tolerate somethings and the ability to do so can be important. I would prefer to be accepted too, rohaan, rather than tolerated. But it would not be a factor in my decision of a home purchase one way or the other
felixis99: yes I understood this idea. why I'd prefer they be friendly and would not care if they were tolerant. We have to tolerate somethings and the ability to do so can be important. I would prefer to be accepted too, rohaan, rather than tolerated. But it would not be a factor in my decision of a home purchase one way or the other
i hope no one gets upset but i just can't analyse the analizing,this is a human issue,and i tryed to pick a word,to cover the subject that the vast majority could wrap an idea around.perhaps your query would be better suited for another poll.besides this laptop is so slow right now it's almost nothing but a square frisbee.,lol
felixis99: yes I understood this idea. why I'd prefer they be friendly and would not care if they were tolerant. We have to tolerate somethings and the ability to do so can be important. I would prefer to be accepted too, rohaan, rather than tolerated. But it would not be a factor in my decision of a home purchase one way or the other
Oh goodness. The home-buying was just an example for the moment.Geeze---well, thank you for understanding why I don't care for the word "tolerant".
(I don't mean this in a bad way, but you missed the point if you were hung up on the "house buying" example. Guess I should have said it differently. WELCOMING someone is the ri8ght angle, not TOLERATING.I have no issue with your use of the word tolerate because I think tolerance is an important skill in society. It can also have slight nuances depending on the context and how it is used. I was responding to rohaan to explain that I understand his use, but I also think it has a more positive connotation in the way you probably meant it - as to tolerate in a form of understanding that people are diverse
rohaan: Oh goodness. The home-buying was just an example for the moment.Geeze---well, thank you for understanding why I don't care for the word "tolerant". (I don't mean this in a bad way, but you missed the point if you were hung up on the "house buying" example. Guess I should have said it differently. WELCOMING someone is the ri8ght angle, not TOLERATING.
yes i was also using the home buying as an example, but whether it is buying a home or sharing an office or a dormitory room - welcoming is preferable - tolerance required...
felixis99: tolerance absolutely must exist because we are not going to like everything and everyone but we must often get along anyway despite this
True, I was just understanding Rohaan's point, and he does make a valid point.
Class5: True, I was just understanding Rohaan's point, and he does make a valid point.
yes he does, and it was a good clarification
Sometimes, but my heart formed calluses to depend my feelings to be hurt again n again. . .
leif10: Sometimes, but my heart formed calluses to depend my feelings to be hurt again n again. . .
well hang out here wiht us and we will find all of those spaces between the callouses to give you good feelings
felixis99: well hang out here wiht us and we will find all of those spaces between the callouses to give you good feelings
you do seem to have a way of making that happen,felixis thankyou
my pleasure - if only oregon weren't so far away!!felixis99: my pleasure - if only oregon weren't so far away!!
so true. unfortunately my leer jet is on the blink,also,lol well you never know what the future holds,right? i worked on the laptop,and it's not perfect,but working a little better now, it was taking 2-3min,to reply;ouch ttys wolfen
rohaan: To any and all--I have tried to pick up the general spirit of this thread, but have a major block. It's the word "tolerant". I get the gist of the topic, but please think for a few minutes about this scenario--
You are of a different race/ethnicity than the general make-up of a given neighborhood, and you want to buy a house there. The realtor says, "Not to worry! The people here are very TOLERANT of ....(Blacks, Asians, whatever the case may be...) Now, put yourself in those shoes. Would you be endeared to that,-- hearing they were "tolerant"? How BIG of them. Do you see what I am saying?
You are of a different race/ethnicity than the general make-up of a given neighborhood, and you want to buy a house there. The realtor says, "Not to worry! The people here are very TOLERANT of ....(Blacks, Asians, whatever the case may be...) Now, put yourself in those shoes. Would you be endeared to that,-- hearing they were "tolerant"? How BIG of them. Do you see what I am saying?
I get your point exactely!!
I think "tolerence" is like "humility" if you think/talk about being it or having it ... You´ve already missed the boat
rohaan: I guess I need to be more clear in what I am saying. The word "tolerant" implies that one is behaving amicably "in spite of", or, with reluctance, at least. It is not a welcoming trait. It's like saying, "I will invite you to my home even though you are....." instead of having a heart absent of any conditions or malice whatsoever, like "I will invite you to my home BECAUSE you are (my friend, etc...) "Tolerate" implies trepidation, conditions, etc...It is not a "friendly" word.
Exactely!
I think may be what we need in society and relationships is not tolerence (for all the reasons Ro and Class5 mentioned) but rather acceptance (non judgement) and respect.
EagleWoman: Exactely!
good day eagle woman, hope your well. always a pleasure. maybe if the good rohan would start his own poll, someone other htan he could analyze his "choice" of words to disarm a situation,that should have never started to begin with. have a great day eaglewoman EagleWoman: I think may be what we need in society and relationships is not tolerence (for all the reasons Ro and Class5 mentioned) but rather acceptance (non judgement) and respect.
very good analogy eaglewoman,i'm all for respect,anyone care to join me?
wolfenfun: in this poll,i'm striving to get a real sense of the direction of tolerance as a tool, to bring respect,understanding,and a reconciling to a better future, and find out who, and what are the real causes of discord,within society. your positive input is encouraged,if my poll choices are lacking please select none of the above,and contribute, happy polling!
I believe in tolerance to a certain degree...it depends on the people, circumstances and severity of the matter. However, patience is a virtue and I prefer that over tolerance.
2intrigued: I believe in tolerance to a certain degree...it depends on the people, circumstances and severity of the matter. However, patience is a virtue and I prefer that over tolerance.
it is too hard to tolerate
2intrigued: I believe in tolerance to a certain degree...it depends on the people, circumstances and severity of the matter. However, patience is a virtue and I prefer that over tolerance.
hello 2intrigued,thank you for visiting. positive input is always apperciated. in a flawless(i used to say perfect)everyone would have the same ideals values, and morals, and personal choices(which everyone has the right to)with these variables thrown into the mix, there will always be differences of opinion. there are even areas of the population that are having various tests being done on them ,either with or with out their consent. so to expect all the ducks to line up in a completely straight line. i just don't see that happening, so we flawed humans struggle with our ideas,experiences, and often misguided intentions,to see the forest for the trees.cloud747: it is too hard to tolerate
lolhahaha hi cloud, thanks for stopping by. damn this english language where one thing can mean ten words,or ten words can mean one thing,lol. well said 
wolfenfun: good day eagle woman, hope your well. always a pleasure. maybe if the good rohan would start his own poll, someone other htan he could analyze his "choice" of words to disarm a situation,that should have never started to begin with. have a great day eaglewoman
Hey Wolf!
Ro is only explaining what he feels about the concept of "tolerence" which happens to be the subject of your thread.
If I understand you correctly you are saying if someone thinks the concept of tolerence is flawed, they shouldn´t share their opinion on your thread.
That being the case, and since I agree with the fact the concept of tolerence is flawed, I shall bow out of your thread!
You have a great day too!!
EagleWoman: Hey Wolf!
Ro is only explaining what he feels about the concept of "tolerence" which happens to be the subject of your thread.
If I understand you correctly you are saying if someone thinks the concept of tolerence is flawed, they shouldn´t share their opinion on your thread.
That being the case, and since I agree with the fact the concept of tolerence is flawed, I shall bow out of your thread!
You have a great day too!!
you too eagle woman,i fact i find a goodly many words in english to be flawed the most common one i believe, is "love",but then everyone uses it for various concepts and intentions,so what can ya' do?Ro is only explaining what he feels about the concept of "tolerence" which happens to be the subject of your thread.
If I understand you correctly you are saying if someone thinks the concept of tolerence is flawed, they shouldn´t share their opinion on your thread.
That being the case, and since I agree with the fact the concept of tolerence is flawed, I shall bow out of your thread!
You have a great day too!!
wolfenfun: thanks atwoz you're pretty close to mine. igues my problem is i have a tendency to stereotype groups, and tolerate individuals,wow groups of folks,always just make my jaw drop.. the pack or herd mentality could be from ancient time when we needed to get together,for saftey in numbers,thingy
What I find strange is intolerance. Also the idea that we have some how lost what you call "ancient" tribal tendencies. Once one sees these tendencies in oneself and others how does one over look them or write them off with labels?
One can say that the Universe tolerates us, or that the Universe is itself compassionate towards life. How one views life is of great importance. One can not find the rewards of tolerance and compassion without walking a life using and embracing them.
esperanzador,thankyou for the visit,and the excellent observation,many i believe have forgottten that we are not that far from primitive times,with all our "buck rogers"technology now.two yr ago i was living in a small former mining and logging community, that the natives had not seen a "white visitor, previous to 1849. they were completely prinitive,with gold nuggets laying around on top of the ground, they had no concept of what we hold as values. that's amazing when you consider the implications here. how soon we forget,and how soon we can change. thankyou for the connection to the tribal ideals
"MY" tolerence level is really swayed by the way a situation is presented.
Same situation...two different people..one can really get my hackles up where another can have me say "ok fair enough"
Same situation...two different people..one can really get my hackles up where another can have me say "ok fair enough"
wolfenfun: in this poll,i'm striving to get a real sense of the direction of tolerance as a tool, to bring respect,understanding,and a reconciling to a better future, and find out who, and what are the real causes of discord,within society. your positive input is encouraged,if my poll choices are lacking please select none of the above,and contribute, happy polling!
Tolerance as a tool is vital to achieve respect, understanding and reconciling to a better future I agree.
Tolerance is a quality and an asset.
But for the intolerant, others' tolerance is a weakness that they have used over the course of histroy to perpetrate excesses.
So Tolerance for the Intolerance is tricky I believe. What do you think?
maxmate1: Tolerance as a tool is vital to achieve respect, understanding and reconciling to a better future I agree.
Tolerance is a quality and an asset.
But for the intolerant, others' tolerance is a weakness that they have used over the course of histroy to perpetrate excesses.
So Tolerance for the Intolerance is tricky I believe. What do you think?
good day maxmate,how are you today? always a pleasure. i have to agree.especially when particularly in this venue,all we have to express our ideas,and values,and morals,,,are words,and emoticons, lol these ARE tools and very often the skill levels using these,are key to the understandings, between peoples of different cultures. in the end, the written, or spoken words are a bridge that can only be crossed if one wants to span the differences,or distances, between the litigants. i still contest that english is one of the worst languages to communicate in. more often than not it is a double edged sword that both communicators end up bleeding from,lol. i also believe that english is medium for a magical spell to hypnotise the masses,with a montra,weaved within,bu that is a subject for another time,my friend,ttys wolfenTolerance is a quality and an asset.
But for the intolerant, others' tolerance is a weakness that they have used over the course of histroy to perpetrate excesses.
So Tolerance for the Intolerance is tricky I believe. What do you think?
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