In today's changing gender roles, what is the expected manner by which the bill will be handled on a first date. The man pays for all as used to be tradition, or the woman offers to pay her half. How many women out there want the best of both worlds, eqyual rights and chivalry
I think if a Gentleman asks a lady out on a first date, he should pay. After that it should be shared, or take turns, or whatever the couple is comfortable with. I dont think there are any rules anymore. Its really up to the couple involved.
cynicalorangeBristol or Dortmund, Somerset, England UK1,897 posts
carl2887: In today's changing gender roles, what is the expected manner by which the bill will be handled on a first date. The man pays for all as used to be tradition, or the woman offers to pay her half. How many women out there want the best of both worlds, eqyual rights and chivalry
Usually, I'll pay for the drinks, and he pays for the food, or, vice versa. Then if there's a second date, we 'switch'. Works well for me, as I'm not out for a free meal, nor would I expect him to be either.
carl2887: In today's changing gender roles, what is the expected manner by which the bill will be handled on a first date. The man pays for all as used to be tradition, or the woman offers to pay her half. How many women out there want the best of both worlds, eqyual rights and chivalry
Is chilvalry only about footing the bill for things? Does being chivalrous demand that a woman be complitely vulnerable and at the financial mercy of a man in order to exist? That sounds like man ego which has very little to do with chivalry and everything to do with controle.
It always surprises me how some men think that because a woman might be financially independant that means they have to forget their manners!!!
Who pays? Whatever they decide between them!!!
Treating someone to a meal has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with wanting to treat someone AND being able to do it financially ....
NoWomanNoCryCopenhagen, Capital Region Denmark11 posts
I dated a man from this website who invited me out on a last minute, insisted on where we should eat, ate and drank double of what I had and THEN asked for the bill to be split half/half.
I never wanted to see him again. He didn't think anything was wrong at all. Someone's parents raised their son to not be a man.
I cannot imagine any woman who wants to give their everything to a man like that.
EagleWoman: Is chilvalry only about footing the bill for things? Does being chivalrous demand that a woman be complitely vulnerable and at the financial mercy of a man in order to exist? That sounds like man ego which has very little to do with chivalry and everything to do with controle.
It always surprises me how some men think that because a woman might be financially independant that means they have to forget their manners!!!
Who pays? Whatever they decide between them!!!
Treating someone to a meal has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with wanting to treat someone AND being able to do it financially ....
Completely agree
I would be they type that would like to pay , particularly on a first date. I certainly think if I invite someone that I do not know well or have not met at all the onus is on me to pay.
In saying that some Ladies do not want that and like to split the bill. It differs with Ladies so I tend to feel my way on a first date and try to pay without being overly insistent.
I would be they type that would like to pay , particularly on a first date. I certainly think if I invite someone that I do not know well or have not met at all the onus is on me to pay.
In saying that some Ladies do not want that and like to split the bill. It differs with Ladies so I tend to feel my way on a first date and try to pay without being overly insistent.
me and you are alike Bro Vinny, I like to pay on the first date, its gentlemanly to do so. If the lady insists on the split, then i will be ok, but i would not force the issue.
lushguy4you: me and you are alike Bro Vinny, I like to pay on the first date, its gentlemanly to do so. If the lady insists on the split, then i will be ok, but i would not force the issue.
I guess while we think we are being gentlemanly we can actually make some people feel uncomfortable.
Have you read the 'which country has the best looking men thread'. Belgian men are taking a hammering
I would be prepared to pay for my half, but wouldn't argue if he insisted on paying for both of us. I think that it's nice for the guy to pay for the first date. Assuming we're at a restaurant where you'd tip (somewhere other than a fast food place) and he insisted on paying the bill, then I'd ask if he wanted me to cover the tip. I'd having no problems going dutch on the first date but, like I said, I think it's nice if he pays for the first date. After the first date, I have no problems with going dutch or paying for dates. I don't expect the guy to pay for every date or for us to spend a lot of money on every single date. There are a lot of things that we can do that don't cost a lot or are free. Here, it's about $2 (US$) to enter a state park. So, it would be inexpensive to go for a hike. Of course, there are a lot of other places to go hiking that are free (national parks and forests). If we went hiking early in the morning (before noon), then we could go back to his place or mine, cookout, and then watch a movie. So, the only expense would be the gas money (vary by distance), cost of the hike (less than $5 per person), and the food for the cookout. I'd be willing to share in the cost of the food for cooking out (or whatever it was that we were eating). I'm not high maintenance. I don't wear makeup and, in terms of doing things for dates, I'm pretty easy to please. I have to say that I might be a little uncomfortable if I ended up paying for every single date. It would be different if he had just been laid off from his job. I know guys don't like for women to be moochers and I wouldn't want a guy mooching off of me. Just my opinion.
I would be they type that would like to pay , particularly on a first date. I certainly think if I invite someone that I do not know well or have not met at all the onus is on me to pay.
In saying that some Ladies do not want that and like to split the bill. It differs with Ladies so I tend to feel my way on a first date and try to pay without being overly insistent.
I read somewhere that whoever did the asking should be the one to pay. Maybe that's why, in the past, men did more of the paying because they were the ones to do all of the asking. Since it seems like women are asking guys out more these days (more so than in the past; like before 1970 maybe), then they should pay for the date. I wonder how people feel about that? Whoever does the asking should pay for the date?
fieldworking: I read somewhere that whoever did the asking should be the one to pay. Maybe that's why, in the past, men did more of the paying because they were the ones to do all of the asking. Since it seems like women are asking guys out more these days (more so than in the past; like before 1970 maybe), then they should pay for the date. I wonder how people feel about that? Whoever does the asking should pay for the date?
I would feel very uncomfortable for a Lady to pay the bill on a first date. Maybe I'm too old fashioned I think its all about respecting each others wishes.
You make some good points about financial pressure when dating, and your correct in stating that it does not have to be expensive. Lots to do anywhere in the world that does not bring on financial pressures
carl2887: In today's changing gender roles, what is the expected manner by which the bill will be handled on a first date. The man pays for all as used to be tradition, or the woman offers to pay her half. How many women out there want the best of both worlds, eqyual rights and chivalry
Just pay the bill man.. if you and her are meant to be she'll have plenty of opportunity to return the favour.. e.g. buying you popcorn at the movies
carl2887: In today's changing gender roles, what is the expected manner by which the bill will be handled on a first date. The man pays for all as used to be tradition, or the woman offers to pay her half. How many women out there want the best of both worlds, eqyual rights and chivalry
I think it would depend on who asked whom out. If I asked I would be prepared to pay. I do feel as if you do not understand what the equal rights movement was about. It really has nothing to do with equal rights and everything to do with good manners. I was raised if I asked someone some where then I need to be prepared to pay the bill unless this had been discussed before going. If I am asked out I will have enough to cover my portion if need be. But I most likely would not offer to on the first date unless something was said to make me feel ill at ease. And what would make me feel ill at ease is if I thought the gentleman could not really afford the date. I would not want to burden anyone. Also I do not understand what you mean the best of both worlds. I only live in one world.
carl2887: In today's changing gender roles, what is the expected manner by which the bill will be handled on a first date. The man pays for all as used to be tradition, or the woman offers to pay her half. How many women out there want the best of both worlds, eqyual rights and chivalry
If I asked a woman out for dinner I would offer to pay as I asked her to be my guest,if we both agreed to meet again then its 50'50 if I was exspected to foot the bill well then I know she's a self entitled princess,unless she's completly broke or has no money then that would be diferent.
NoWomanNoCryCopenhagen, Capital Region Denmark11 posts
lushguy4you: me and you are alike Bro Vinny, I like to pay on the first date, its gentlemanly to do so. If the lady insists on the split, then i will be ok, but i would not force the issue.
carl2887: In today's changing gender roles, what is the expected manner by which the bill will be handled on a first date. The man pays for all as used to be tradition, or the woman offers to pay her half. How many women out there want the best of both worlds, eqyual rights and chivalry
I never go out for dinner on a first date,coffee is the best way, first we are not stuck with each other if there is no spark,second I'm OK with man to pay $3,and if I never see him again I don't feel guilty. Not interested in free food.
anilag: I never go out for dinner on a first date,coffee is the best way, first we are not stuck with each other if there is no spark,second I'm OK with man to pay $3,and if I never see him again I don't feel guilty. Not interested in free food.
great post
I'm reading through this thread thinking geez....who could possibly afford all these dinners
I think life situation plays a role - younger singles may have more ready "play" money than a single parent for example
I'm good with a walk and an ice cream cone - rather have that then dinner
carl2887: In today's changing gender roles, what is the expected manner by which the bill will be handled on a first date. The man pays for all as used to be tradition, or the woman offers to pay her half. How many women out there want the best of both worlds, eqyual rights and chivalry
Normally I just ask if we are gonna split the bill, or does he want to pay or would he like me to? No sense arguing about it.
carl2887: In today's changing gender roles, what is the expected manner by which the bill will be handled on a first date. The man pays for all as used to be tradition, or the woman offers to pay her half. How many women out there want the best of both worlds, eqyual rights and chivalry
I guess I must be trapped in a time warp,{I was raised that a man "always" pays,regardless of the number of dates}. I suspected that the world was going too fast for me.....LOL
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