It's in the news. You've heard of Monsanto, et al, genetically modifying corn and other products. How do you feel about this kind of food being sold with or without labeling?
Interestingly, California voters are evenly split on labeling food, while a national survey had 84% Yes, 11% No, and 5% weren't sure about food labeling.
HuggerMan4U: It's in the news. You've heard of Monsanto, et al, genetically modifying corn and other products. How do you feel about this kind of food being sold with or without labeling?
Interestingly, California voters are evenly split on labeling food, while a national survey had 84% Yes, 11% No, and 5% weren't sure about food labeling.
The silly answer would be - You got catch it first before you can label it. The sensible answer , can't say I'm very happy with he idea of scientists messing with our food but we all want the world to have enough to eat, not sure labelling is relevant, either you have it or you don't.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
zmountainman: The silly answer would be - You got catch it first before you can label it. The sensible answer , can't say I'm very happy with he idea of scientists messing with our food but we all want the world to have enough to eat, not sure labelling is relevant, either you have it or you don't.
Yes, we should know what we are buying, I got some lovely large tomatoes at the market, big and colourful,although a bit misshapen. They were tough tasteless and really inedible, it turned out they were genetically modified for faster growth and larger size. I have aqlso been fooled by strawberries of the same ilk. Had they been labelled I would not have bought them.
tomcatwarne: Yes, we should know what we are buying, I got some lovely large tomatoes at the market, big and colourful,although a bit misshapen. They were tough tasteless and really inedible, it turned out they were genetically modified for faster growth and larger size. I have aqlso been fooled by strawberries of the same ilk. Had they been labelled I would not have bought them.
I agree, if the food is labeled we can choose not to buy it. If enough people choose not to buy frankenfoods then Monsanto will have no reason to continue this practice.
tomcatwarne: Yes, we should know what we are buying, I got some lovely large tomatoes at the market, big and colourful,although a bit misshapen. They were tough tasteless and really inedible, it turned out they were genetically modified for faster growth and larger size. I have aqlso been fooled by strawberries of the same ilk. Had they been labelled I would not have bought them.
From your description my guess would be that they were grown down here, gross aren't they, I'm in a dilemma as to whether it's fair that those in the western world should by labelling be able to avoid eating this stuff while those in the 3rd world will have no chose
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
zmountainman: From your description my guess would be that they were grown down here, gross aren't they, I'm in a dilemma as to whether it's fair that those in the western world should by labelling be able to avoid eating this stuff while those in the 3rd world will have no chose
yes the strawberries were Spanish, but the tomatoes were Dutch. I dunno if your argument for not labelling is right. Are you saying the 3rd world would not have the same choice on labelled goods????
tomcatwarne: yes the strawberries were Spanish, but the tomatoes were Dutch. I dunno if your argument for not labelling is right. Are you saying the 3rd world would not have the same choice on labelled goods????
most likely a lousy quality of hydroponically grown Tomatoes and Strawberry,with most of the Trace-Elements in the Growth-Solution missing! Then,because of the long Transportation,harvested green as Grass!
RobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK4,553 posts
If it were correctly labelled, would you buy it at all?
It's bad enough that we don't even know he effects on the food-chain regarding genetically modified food. After all how did "Saccharin" get past the "Food and Drug Administration"?
You'd have to be mad to eat food that you know is bad for you, and I do mean BAD, as in carcinogenic. Do I trust the authorities regarding this type of thing.....no way, not after reading the reports on BSE and Prion based diseases. There's no way animals should be minced up and fed to other animals that are not carnivores.
All food should be correctly labelled, with sodium, sugar, saturated fat etc and if the Food is fatty and bad for you it should have a big red label on the front packaging basically saying "Processed, fatty food.Eat three of these a week and your lifespan will drop".
You basicly have a right to know what you are buying . I have no qualms about lableing things GM or not . If you think that it is bad for you then you should avoid it . If you don't then continue to buy it . It can't be worse than the preservatives and artificial color and flavor enhancers they put in it anyway .
I will also ad that every living thing now as well as in the past is geneticly modified . Wether it was nature doing it or the help of us is probably incosecquential . Just one more thing for the purists to rant about .
tomcatwarne: yes the strawberries were Spanish, but the tomatoes were Dutch. I dunno if your argument for not labelling is right. Are you saying the 3rd world would not have the same choice on labelled goods????
Yes, my guess is that they will probably not know or have an option if they do, I have no idea on whether these things are bad for you or not, in an ideal world I would sooner a more organic solution was found for the world's food supply but fear that may not be practical. As mentioned above the actual taste of the produce you bought was probably down to poor farming procedure rather than any genetic modification & of course cost is the factor that governs quality, production of fruit & veg here is rapidly being moved to Morocco as labour is cheaper there, in fact in Motril we now have two ferries sailing daily to Africa in order to bring the products into Europe.
HuggerMan4U: It's in the news. You've heard of Monsanto, et al, genetically modifying corn and other products. How do you feel about this kind of food being sold with or without labeling?
Interestingly, California voters are evenly split on labeling food, while a national survey had 84% Yes, 11% No, and 5% weren't sure about food labeling.
Simply yes I should be given the choice to buy or not to buy all foods should be labeled
tomcatwarne: Yes, we should know what we are buying, I got some lovely large tomatoes at the market, big and colourful,although a bit misshapen. They were tough tasteless and really inedible, it turned out they were genetically modified for faster growth and larger size. I have aqlso been fooled by strawberries of the same ilk. Had they been labelled I would not have bought them.
i've had this experience as well. eating organically here is still quite expensive but a bit more affordable than a few years ago. i believe i have the right to know what i put in my body, or on my body (some folks would be surprised to know of the toxins in many perfumes/colognes, makeup, skin care products). Everything should be labelled so consumers can make informed choices.
HuggerMan4U: It's in the news. You've heard of Monsanto, et al, genetically modifying corn and other products. How do you feel about this kind of food being sold with or without labeling?
Interestingly, California voters are evenly split on labeling food, while a national survey had 84% Yes, 11% No, and 5% weren't sure about food labeling.
GMO's have been shown to give us cancer! GMO's should NOT be sold as food for us or for any of our food sources such a cows, sheep, pigs, or whatever!
zmountainman: The silly answer would be - You got catch it first before you can label it. The sensible answer , can't say I'm very happy with he idea of scientists messing with our food but we all want the world to have enough to eat, not sure labelling is relevant, either you have it or you don't.
We can ask another dumb question: imagine a new and different potato variety discovered in a far away place. It has not been genetically modified but nature is amazing, so we do not know if it will have long-term adverse effects. It may be carcinogenic or cause addiction or impotence. Should that potato be labeled as "unknown-potato-we are not responsible of possible adverse effects"?
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
zmountainman: From your description my guess would be that they were grown down here, gross aren't they, I'm in a dilemma as to whether it's fair that those in the western world should by labelling be able to avoid eating this stuff while those in the 3rd world will have no chose
Yes it is fair because we can make our own choices about genetically modified food and fairtrade produce.
I don't get this genetically modified food feeds the world argument, when people in third world countries are growing foods for animal feed. Meat production is inefficient. I think the 'feed the world' argument is a ruse to justify Western greed under the guise of generosity.
I wonder at the long-term prognosis is and whether yet another form of intensive farming will have yet another impact upon world/planet health.
we have test sites for GM crops in the East of England and i know little of what they are doing but i would not like to eat food that has been messed around with
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
Tomcats2: we have test sites for GM crops in the East of England and i know little of what they are doing but i would not like to eat food that has been messed around with
hi jacs
Hi TC.
I bet these test sites are not in laboratory and sealed conditions.
Some are and run near THe University of East Anglia some are in farms what worries me is wind could take seeds and infect other none gm crops, i was just thinking everything should be labeld so we know what we are buying.
Some are and run near THe University of East Anglia some are in farms what worries me is wind could take seeds and infect other none gm crops, i was just thinking everything should be labeld so we know what we are buying.
Some are and run near THe University of East Anglia some are in farms what worries me is wind could take seeds and infect other none gm crops, i was just thinking everything should be labeld so we know what we are buying.
jac379: Yes it is fair because we can make our own choices about genetically modified food and fairtrade produce.
I don't get this genetically modified food feeds the world argument, when people in third world countries are growing foods for animal feed. Meat production is inefficient. I think the 'feed the world' argument is a ruse to justify Western greed under the guise of generosity.
I wonder at the long-term prognosis is and whether yet another form of intensive farming will have yet another impact upon world/planet health.
I think I see what your driving at but when I say 3rd world I'm thinking of countries you see on the news where it hasn't rained in years & they can't grow anything, I agree that a lot of this is to do with greed on the part of some farmers wanting to make larger profits but I think the real culprits here are the mega supermarket chains who force down the costs to them at the expense of farmers, they then have to grow more to get the same income so where do they turn - GM crops. We see it all the time down here, farmers demonstrate outside supermarkets & you can't blame them when on the local TV channel they have the days wholesale prices for fruit & veg, an example would be cucumbers, wholesale price 10 cents\kg, in the supermarket the same product 1 euro 20 cents\kg, not only are making that huge mark up but have bought their own greenhouses so they don't even have to buy it at 10 cents
GUZMAN1: We can ask another dumb question: imagine a new and different potato variety discovered in a far away place. It has not been genetically modified but nature is amazing, so we do not know if it will have long-term adverse effects. It may be carcinogenic or cause addiction or impotence. Should that potato be labeled as "unknown-potato-we are not responsible of possible adverse effects"?
Also I read somewhere that if the potato were to be discovered today it wouldn't meet current safety standards & wouldn't be allowed for human consumption
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
zmountainman: I think I see what your driving at but when I say 3rd world I'm thinking of countries you see on the news where it hasn't rained in years & they can't grow anything, I agree that a lot of this is to do with greed on the part of some farmers wanting to make larger profits but I think the real culprits here are the mega supermarket chains who force down the costs to them at the expense of farmers, they then have to grow more to get the same income so where do they turn - GM crops. We see it all the time down here, farmers demonstrate outside supermarkets & you can't blame them when on the local TV channel they have the days wholesale prices for fruit & veg, an example would be cucumbers, wholesale price 10 cents\kg, in the supermarket the same product 1 euro 20 cents\kg, not only are making that huge mark up but have bought their own greenhouses so they don't even have to buy it at 10 cents
That's where consumer comes in doesn't it?
If the large chain supermarkets lose sales through labelling GM products, but gain sales through fair trade, they're going to change their practices. Its up to us to force change.
It's happened here with food colourings, additives, excess salt in pre-packaged food. I'm not sure how successful the Nestle boycott has been though - I think despite profits being hit they're still flooding the third world market with dried baby food.
As for countries where there's been no rain, what good is a GM crop unless the first world is going to share?
jac379: That's where consumer comes in doesn't it?
If the large chain supermarkets lose sales through labelling GM products, but gain sales through fair trade, they're going to change their practices. Its up to us to force change.
It's happened here with food colourings, additives, excess salt in pre-packaged food. I'm not sure how successful the Nestle boycott has been though - I think despite profits being hit they're still flooding the third world market with dried baby food.
As for countries where there's been no rain, what good is a GM crop unless the first world is going to share?
Agreed up to a point, they may stop selling it but that will just mean it will all end up in the 3rd world which was the point I was making earlier, sorting the supermarkets is going be difficult job as they all become so powerful. On the 3rd world countries I am assuming here that food will be grown elsewhere & given to these places, mind that's no easy task as it tends to disappear between the docks & the people who need it, we've come back to greed again.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
venusenvy: Yes...Then we can make the decision not to buy it and put those practices out of business
The very rich buy food en bloc as an investment, They buy a particular product in it's entirety, then have the monopoly on this product and can name their own price. Thus the food when it gets to the retail outlet is much more expensive to the ordinary shopper.
Genetically altered foods are actually quite a complex and sinister issue, it's not JUST about what you eat (which can also be dangerous btw)... but so much more.
While initially they were brought about to solve some physical problem.. beauty, repelling a particular pest, length of shipping and storage etc... they have now become a way to form a new seed monopoly for Monsanto. Modified seed cannot be saved for next years crop, so it has to be purchased from the one and only supplier... guess who? While our true pure heirloom are being altered at a remarkable rate.
Take a couple of hours on a rainy evening and nform yourselves!!!
HuggerMan4U: It's in the news. You've heard of Monsanto, et al, genetically modifying corn and other products. How do you feel about this kind of food being sold with or without labeling?
Interestingly, California voters are evenly split on labeling food, while a national survey had 84% Yes, 11% No, and 5% weren't sure about food labeling.
Absolutely yes,we have the right to know what we pay for and most importand what we eat
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Interestingly, California voters are evenly split on labeling food, while a national survey had 84% Yes, 11% No, and 5% weren't sure about food labeling.