i looked at the abstract and wondered about things like age, culture, location, socialization, employment, intelligence, personality...and questioned how an abstract can reduce their information to weight differences without any of these other things factored in...?
i also wondered if studies like these, are much like self help books which i consider an industry that keeps itself going by drawing on the insecurities of folks...
but i guess it's good for the economy that folks spend their money somewhere..
it's so difficult to find one's true nature if they are constantly comparing themselves to the standards of strangers.
i'm no expert for sure... but i think the approach to take is to trust your gut, and be authentic to you. if he doesn't like the genuine you, you've lost nothing.
maryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada1,370 posts
This is going to be such a cliche,but just be yourself. You can't keep someone who doesn't want to stay. If he really likes you as much as you like him then it's because he likes you for who you are. Don't try to rely on tricks or incentives just be who you are. Oh and this being 2013 and all you can always be the one to ask him out on the second date. What do you have to lose? All he can say is no and if it's a no then it's better you know sooner then later. Good luck!
Rumple4skin: From a late 19th Century booklet named “Woman’s Own Book of Toilet Secrets”. The page describes the “dimensions of a perfect woman.”
'The dimensions of a perfect woman are: Five feet 5 inches in height, weight 128 pounds. Arms extended should measure from tip of middle finger to tip of middle finger just 5 feet 5 inches (the height). The length of her hand should be a tenth of that, her foot a seventh, the diameter of her chest a fifth. From her thighs to the ground she should measure just the same as from her thighs to the top of her head. The knee should come exactly midway between the thigh and the heel. The distance from the elbow to the middle finger should be the same as from the elbow to middle of the chest. From the top of the head to the chin should be just the length of the foot, and the same distance between the chin and the arm-pits. A woman of this height should measure 24 inches around the waist, 34 about the bust, if measured under the arms, and 43 if measured over them. The upper arm should measure 13 inches; the wrist 6 inches. The calf of the leg should measure 14½ inches; the thigh 25; the ankle 8.'
For your information, her perfect dimensions are BMI 21.3 and waist-hip ratio(estimating based on chest measurement)0.70 on the dot.
Sounds like the perfect woman of the early 21st Century, too... The majority of Humanity is attracted to a healthy weight and body shape. Humanity is NOT attracted to lard arses, understand?
Facial attractiveness is also objectively definable, symmetery and proportion being primary.
As for the skinny women, the modern phenemonen of rake-like women starving themselves is occuring because of women's natural competitiveness with other women. Men don't like the anorexic look, this is their own delusion.
I agree that in the vast majority of cultures, a woman who is well proportioned, not fat and not skinny, with curves but not over weight or with very large butt, stomach or thighs are usually considered the most attractive. Today, it oftens seems that skinny women are admired, at least in Hollywood and fashion magazines. I saw a bit of a movie last night (was channel surfing) with Carmen Diaz in it. I don't know what film or when it was made, but she was wearing shorts and a tee shirt and her body was like a 12 year old undeveloped adolescent: her legs were thin and pipestem looking, no curves at all. Her breasts were tiny and her butt almost invisible. Is this supposed to be the desirable female form these days? That's just awful to think a desireable fully grown woman should be shaped like an undeveloped adolescent.
maryrachelle: This is going to be such a cliche,but just be yourself. You can't keep someone who doesn't want to stay. If he really likes you as much as you like him then it's because he likes you for who you are. Don't try to rely on tricks or incentives just be who you are. Oh and this being 2013 and all you can always be the one to ask him out on the second date. What do you have to lose? All he can say is no and if it's a no then it's better you know sooner then later. Good luck!
This is what I would say too. Trying to be a certain kind of person or do specific things to keep someone interested backfires at some point. A lot of reason for breakups and divorce is that people put forth a certain personality and character that is not truly who and what they are, then as they get used to each other and more comfortable, the real person emerges and they find they are not compatible. Playing games, being not your true self in all ways, these things are not a good idea.
CHOLENA: This is what I would say too. Trying to be a certain kind of person or do specific things to keep someone interested backfires at some point. A lot of reason for breakups and divorce is that people put forth a certain personality and character that is not truly who and what they are, then as they get used to each other and more comfortable, the real person emerges and they find they are not compatible. Playing games, being not your true self in all ways, these things are not a good idea.
A self fulfilling scenario that,
Most people don't realize that hanging on to learned behaviors and indoctrinated belief systems (social constructs) do not mean they are being true to self. It just means being true to old thinking about self. This sort of thing is a real barrier to change and being a person who can adapt to situations that build enduring relationships.
Who you were yesterday isn't who you are, it's just you looking back at you seeing who you think yourself to be based on old beliefs about you. People fear change, it's true, but it doesn't mean you can't be someone different from what you were before. But belieiving you can't be someone or something else just means you have more belief in what you were, than in what you could be.
Rumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK980 posts
CHOLENA: I agree that in the vast majority of cultures, a woman who is well proportioned, not fat and not skinny, with curves but not over weight or with very large butt, stomach or thighs are usually considered the most attractive. Today, it oftens seems that skinny women are admired, at least in Hollywood and fashion magazines. I saw a bit of a movie last night (was channel surfing) with Carmen Diaz in it. I don't know what film or when it was made, but she was wearing shorts and a tee shirt and her body was like a 12 year old undeveloped adolescent: her legs were thin and pipestem looking, no curves at all. Her breasts were tiny and her butt almost invisible. Is this supposed to be the desirable female form these days? That's just awful to think a desireable fully grown woman should be shaped like an undeveloped adolescent.
Logic abounds here, well done.
The critical thing to keep in mind is that women are choosing to starve themselves not because she's looking at him and thinking that this is what will make him happy, no, she is looking at her friend and thinking I want to be thinner than her - some being so ruthlessly competitive, and ignorant of the consequences of their actions, that they actually starve to death in the process..
This is the gender that Feminists want running our government and corporations.
Shy people in SA???? Never encountered none.Or maybe never met one.
angil07: After two weeks on this site I have met someone I like. I know he likes me but we are both conservative types. I am ready to let my hair down and go for it but....... Would it scare him off? We have met and had coffee and I am sure he wants to meet me again, he has mentioned another date. Come on guys - you lot know everything - I have been through these polls and blogs......... Advice please
Most people don't realize that hanging on to learned behaviors and indoctrinated belief systems (social constructs) do not mean they are being true to self. It just means being true to old thinking about self. This sort of thing is a real barrier to change and being a person who can adapt to situations that build enduring relationships.
Who you were yesterday isn't who you are, it's just you looking back at you seeing who you think yourself to be based on old beliefs about you. People fear change, it's true, but it doesn't mean you can't be someone different from what you were before. But belieiving you can't be someone or something else just means you have more belief in what you were, than in what you could be.
But not as easy to do as it is to type.
Dr. Snickers, when you put down that candy bar could you please tell me what your office hours are.
Seriously, I agree with your post but I'll have to let it go at that. J is a lucky lady
The critical thing to keep in mind is that women are choosing to starve themselves not because she's looking at him and thinking that this is what will make him happy, no, she is looking at her friend and thinking I want to be thinner than her - some being so ruthlessly competitive, and ignorant of the consequences of their actions, that they actually starve to death in the process..
This is the gender that Feminists want running our government and corporations.
It has nothingto do with feminism, quite the opposite. It has to do with, as I said in my post, Hollywood and fashion magazines, neither of which is fueled by feminist beliefs.
Hiya Rumple4skin (this name amuses me - yeah small mind huh?)
I loved ALL your comments - you know how to stir huh? I hate the "Starvation Syndrome" that women put themselves through...
A guy once put it this way...... "I go to the Butchers and I buy a pound of meat - I want the meat! If I want bones, I will ask for bones - in other words - Meat is meat, and a man must eat"
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i also wondered if studies like these, are much like self help books which i consider an industry that keeps itself going by drawing on the insecurities of folks...
but i guess it's good for the economy that folks spend their money somewhere..
it's so difficult to find one's true nature if they are constantly comparing themselves to the standards of strangers.