9/11 was an inside job, fabricated to justify an invasion of the middle east to obtain precious reso (116)
justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia14 Threads 2,592 PostsZiggie20: Suggest you read this -
I didn't say that Afghanistan didn't have oil, I said they don't have oil production facilities, oil's not much use to you if you can't extract it, But they're not exactly swimming in it either.I don't like anyones chances of producing oil from Afghanistan whilst the Taliban are still in the picture.http://www.businessinsider.com/this-energy-company-hopes-to-find-oil-in-afghanistan-2012-9
montemonte: We know.....get it, we know that #7 was intentionally destroyed.
No one was in the building when it was brought down yet you think something fishy was going on, what was it?
You say that the north and south towers were brought down, with 3,000 people in them because of oil.
But there wasn't anyone in the Solomon Brothers Building (#7) when it came down. Why do you think they brought it down?
So at first we learned You KNOW for sure that Sept. 11th was an inside job.
And now you've educated us further that You also KNOW...... that you cannot.. ..absolutely cannot.. ..wire a building in 11 hours to bring it down.
We are so lucky to have you on CS.
I can't wait for the next "you know" theory
No one was in the building when it was brought down yet you think something fishy was going on, what was it?
You say that the north and south towers were brought down, with 3,000 people in them because of oil.
But there wasn't anyone in the Solomon Brothers Building (#7) when it came down. Why do you think they brought it down?
So at first we learned You KNOW for sure that Sept. 11th was an inside job.
And now you've educated us further that You also KNOW...... that you cannot.. ..absolutely cannot.. ..wire a building in 11 hours to bring it down.
We are so lucky to have you on CS.
I can't wait for the next "you know" theory
"conspiracy theorist" is a tag to label and dismiss critical thinking.
Ras427: "conspiracy theorist" is a tag to label and dismiss critical thinking.
You may be correct, however that is not to say that the critical thinking is actually correct.To be correct begins with critical thinking. Of course rational, honest, and intellect will define true critical thinking. I agree that critical thinking will not always lead to correctness. Here in the states "conspiracy theory" is a mechanic to dismiss dessent and to regulate opposing points of view to that of irrelevence of no pertinence. Its also to minimize and stifle views critical of goverment endeavors.
PNAC remarks about the necessity for a "pearl harbor" type event in order to advance their agenda... coincidence
NORAD running drills on the scenario of hijacked airliners on the morning of 9/11... coincidence
was 9/11 an inside job? that really depends on how you look at it
there certainly never would have been an al qaeda without the CIA torturing, coups and draconian US policies in the middle east for the last century
does that make it an "inside job?" well, kinda... i guess
the bush administration were an incompetent bunch of lazy, greedy, corrupt, nepotist, screw-ups and there do seem to be elements of "criminal negligence" in their response to the intelligence reports leading up to the attacks and their immediate response to the attacks
does that make it an "inside job?" well, sorta
whether they were actually complicit or not is sort of besides the point isn't it? they were responsible for the security of the nation that day. "the buck stops here"
NORAD running drills on the scenario of hijacked airliners on the morning of 9/11... coincidence
was 9/11 an inside job? that really depends on how you look at it
there certainly never would have been an al qaeda without the CIA torturing, coups and draconian US policies in the middle east for the last century
does that make it an "inside job?" well, kinda... i guess
the bush administration were an incompetent bunch of lazy, greedy, corrupt, nepotist, screw-ups and there do seem to be elements of "criminal negligence" in their response to the intelligence reports leading up to the attacks and their immediate response to the attacks
does that make it an "inside job?" well, sorta
whether they were actually complicit or not is sort of besides the point isn't it? they were responsible for the security of the nation that day. "the buck stops here"
drgroovetone: PNAC remarks about the necessity for a "pearl harbor" type event in order to advance their agenda... coincidence
NORAD running drills on the scenario of hijacked airliners on the morning of 9/11... coincidence
was 9/11 an inside job? that really depends on how you look at it
there certainly never would have been an al qaeda without the CIA torturing, coups and draconian US policies in the middle east for the last century
does that make it an "inside job?" well, kinda... i guess
the bush administration were an incompetent bunch of lazy, greedy, corrupt, nepotist, screw-ups and there do seem to be elements of "criminal negligence" in their response to the intelligence reports leading up to the attacks and their immediate response to the attacks
does that make it an "inside job?" well, sorta
whether they were actually complicit or not is sort of besides the point isn't it? they were responsible for the security of the nation that day. "the buck stops here"
NORAD running drills on the scenario of hijacked airliners on the morning of 9/11... coincidence
was 9/11 an inside job? that really depends on how you look at it
there certainly never would have been an al qaeda without the CIA torturing, coups and draconian US policies in the middle east for the last century
does that make it an "inside job?" well, kinda... i guess
the bush administration were an incompetent bunch of lazy, greedy, corrupt, nepotist, screw-ups and there do seem to be elements of "criminal negligence" in their response to the intelligence reports leading up to the attacks and their immediate response to the attacks
does that make it an "inside job?" well, sorta
whether they were actually complicit or not is sort of besides the point isn't it? they were responsible for the security of the nation that day. "the buck stops here"
Oh gawd.....would you give it up
give what up? 
EnglishinHolland: I take it you are new to CS?
This subject has been posted many times, no agreement as yet, why thrash it out yet again? Or are we once again to await the arrival of the conspiracy theorists?
agreeThis subject has been posted many times, no agreement as yet, why thrash it out yet again? Or are we once again to await the arrival of the conspiracy theorists?
IF it was an inside job it would take a lot of people to pull it off.
Do these conspiracy theorists really believe that all those people that were supposedly involved never said a word to anyone about what they were involved in?
Not one single person wrote a book that they were involved.
I'm supposed to believe that people were going in those buildings, in overalls, with buckets, barrels, lengths of wire the height of the buildings and no one ever questioned it.
When more then one person plans a covert action, you take the risk that the second person will talk.
And to this date, no one has said they did it ...
Do these conspiracy theorists really believe that all those people that were supposedly involved never said a word to anyone about what they were involved in?
Not one single person wrote a book that they were involved.
I'm supposed to believe that people were going in those buildings, in overalls, with buckets, barrels, lengths of wire the height of the buildings and no one ever questioned it.
When more then one person plans a covert action, you take the risk that the second person will talk.
And to this date, no one has said they did it ...
Roll on genetic engineering... threads like these remind of the urgency in which we need to purge the gene pool. I blame excessive health & safety, people that thought like this simply would not be capable of staying alive in the past.
If it wasn`t a inside job, doesn't it really scare you that the United States, number one country in many fields especially in military technology had such a lapse from self taught pilots who had barely any training ,knowledge or technical support from some far advanced extraterrestrials ...
Everybody, let's put down the fruitcake and step away from the table.
Ras427: To be correct begins with critical thinking. Of course rational, honest, and intellect will define true critical thinking. I agree that critical thinking will not always lead to correctness. Here in the states "conspiracy theory" is a mechanic to dismiss dessent and to regulate opposing points of view to that of irrelevence of no pertinence. Its also to minimize and stifle views critical of goverment endeavors.
Fair point i guess.This statement originated from an audio tape and it was published in foreign medias.
The voice was not authenticated by the CIA. I would think that if they had anything to do with this theory, they would have confirm the origin and the voice.
There is more proof on the theory of extinction of the Dodo bird than this theory.
Not that I disregard your right to search for the truth.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
George Washington
Osama bin Laden statement:
"On May 23, 2006, an audio recording attributed to Osama bin Laden said in translation that Moussaoui "had no connection at all with September 11... I am the one in charge of the 19 brothers and I never assigned brother Zacarias to be with them in that mission... Since Zacarias Moussaoui was still learning to fly, he wasn't number 20 in the group, as your government claimed". The voice alleged to be bin Laden also suggested that Moussaoui's confession was "void" as it was a result of pressures applied during his incarceration."
Associated Press: Zacarias Moussaoui
The voice was not authenticated by the CIA. I would think that if they had anything to do with this theory, they would have confirm the origin and the voice.
There is more proof on the theory of extinction of the Dodo bird than this theory.
Not that I disregard your right to search for the truth.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
George Washington
Osama bin Laden statement:
"On May 23, 2006, an audio recording attributed to Osama bin Laden said in translation that Moussaoui "had no connection at all with September 11... I am the one in charge of the 19 brothers and I never assigned brother Zacarias to be with them in that mission... Since Zacarias Moussaoui was still learning to fly, he wasn't number 20 in the group, as your government claimed". The voice alleged to be bin Laden also suggested that Moussaoui's confession was "void" as it was a result of pressures applied during his incarceration."
Associated Press: Zacarias Moussaoui
Imagine how this planning session between Bush, Rummy and Cheney must have gone:
BUSH: So, what's the plan again?
CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.
RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.
CHENEY: No, Don, we won't.
RUMSFELD: We won't?
CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers al-Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq.
RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack?
CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Don. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around.
BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs, and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed, and needlessly complicate everything!
CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of nowhere somewhere in rural Pennsylvania.
RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of ****ing nowhere.
CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.
BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?
CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.
BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?
CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.
BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?
BUSH: So, what's the plan again?
CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.
RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.
CHENEY: No, Don, we won't.
RUMSFELD: We won't?
CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers al-Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq.
RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack?
CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Don. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around.
BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs, and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed, and needlessly complicate everything!
CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of nowhere somewhere in rural Pennsylvania.
RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of ****ing nowhere.
CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.
BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?
CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.
BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?
CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.
BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?
CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.
BUSH: Oh, okay.
RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do, and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork, and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.
BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world, and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?
CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!
RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington DC fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI-5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!
BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? ****, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?
RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!
ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!
The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement
Why the "9/11 Truth" movement makes the Left Behind series read like Shakespeare.
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.
BUSH: Oh, okay.
RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do, and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork, and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.
BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world, and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?
CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!
RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington DC fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI-5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!
BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? ****, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?
RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!
ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!
The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement
Why the "9/11 Truth" movement makes the Left Behind series read like Shakespeare.
Rumple4skin: Roll on genetic engineering... threads like these remind of the urgency in which we need to purge the gene pool. I blame excessive health & safety, people that thought like this simply would not be capable of staying alive in the past.
sounds like you're in favor of eugenics. "purge the gene pool?" seriously, bro? guess you chose not to use the word "cleanse" insteadi bet you're a member of the BNP aren't you?
TTom50:
So the Iraqi don't get a share of the oil wealth of the country Ray?
~thomph1/iraq.htm
If these projections are correct in 20 years the per capita income of the Iraqi oil will be $300,000 per person. Today's Iraqi has a income average of $8000 per year. Tha $300,000 per person income will make the Iraqi one of the richest countries in the middle east.
So the Iraqi don't get a share of the oil wealth of the country Ray?
~thomph1/iraq.htm
If these projections are correct in 20 years the per capita income of the Iraqi oil will be $300,000 per person. Today's Iraqi has a income average of $8000 per year. Tha $300,000 per person income will make the Iraqi one of the richest countries in the middle east.
My, my, my, what a source.
Everybody make sure to paste that broken link into your browser to see where Ttom50 gets his facts.
It looks like a text file that somebody typed out in 2 minutes.
And its suggestion that the Iraqi people have access to the wealth of their oil resources is totally ludicrous.
SO I googled Henry Thompson and Iraq it and found this article about what Thompson actually said.
Notice this line:
"Thompson’s statement refers to the state of the country prior to foreign intervention and invasion."
Seen in that light Thompson's projections were still considerably rosier than the reality. Even before the war the common people benefited only indirectly from the country's oil wealth. Wealth always trickles down to some degree.
But in the context of present reality Thompson's comments have no validity at all.
Let's see some before and after pictures of Iraq to see if the war has benefited the people (as you suggest) or not.
Ras427: "conspiracy theorist" is a tag to label and dismiss critical thinking.
Well said.
People who use the term "conspiracy theorist" are just announcing their own rejection of rational critical thought.
Somehow it's supposed to be insane to even question what we are told by the corrupt government and the totally owned media.
Personally I think it's insane to not question.
TTom50: So the Iraqi don't get a share of the oil wealth of the country Ray?
~thomph1/iraq.htm
If these projections are correct in 20 years the per capita income of the Iraqi oil will be $300,000 per person. Today's Iraqi has a income average of $8000 per year. Tha $300,000 per person income will make the Iraqi one of the richest countries in the middle east.
That is assuming that the Shia Iraqi government which controls the distribution of the oil wealth will share it. Which given the division of Shia, Sunni and Kurd is a real issue and question.
In fact the Kurds are now planning their own pipeline thru Turkey to carry Kurdish crude.
The one thing that is certain, the Sadam Hussien would not allowed the Kurds to have thier own pipeline. Heck the Iraqi Shia don't want them to have it.
So let us both admit.....that if Sadam Hussien was still in power....the sharing of Iraqi oil wealth would not happen. It would
go into another 30 or 40 lavish palaces for his family. Heck he only had 27 of them, some now being turned in Museums and public places for the Iraqi.
I don't know how this is going to play out. I doubt if any one does. But leaving Sadam Hussien in power was not going to benefit the Iraqi people that he was using chemical weapons on. So he was not going to share the wealth......or to allow them to develop the oil resources of the country for their benefit.
I dont believe it was an inside job and i do believe saddam and a few other dictators should go down years ago but in 20 years? there wont be any oil or Iraqis left~thomph1/iraq.htm
If these projections are correct in 20 years the per capita income of the Iraqi oil will be $300,000 per person. Today's Iraqi has a income average of $8000 per year. Tha $300,000 per person income will make the Iraqi one of the richest countries in the middle east.
That is assuming that the Shia Iraqi government which controls the distribution of the oil wealth will share it. Which given the division of Shia, Sunni and Kurd is a real issue and question.
In fact the Kurds are now planning their own pipeline thru Turkey to carry Kurdish crude.
The one thing that is certain, the Sadam Hussien would not allowed the Kurds to have thier own pipeline. Heck the Iraqi Shia don't want them to have it.
So let us both admit.....that if Sadam Hussien was still in power....the sharing of Iraqi oil wealth would not happen. It would
go into another 30 or 40 lavish palaces for his family. Heck he only had 27 of them, some now being turned in Museums and public places for the Iraqi.
I don't know how this is going to play out. I doubt if any one does. But leaving Sadam Hussien in power was not going to benefit the Iraqi people that he was using chemical weapons on. So he was not going to share the wealth......or to allow them to develop the oil resources of the country for their benefit.
mitsos: I dont believe it was an inside job and i do believe saddam and a few other dictators should go down years ago but in 20 years? there wont be any oil or Iraqis left
I cannot predict one week down the road, much less 20 years. But if you ask me if there is more trouble coming in the middle east in the next 20 years, I would have to agree.
My, my, my, what a source.
Everybody make sure to paste that broken link into your browser to see where Ttom50 gets his facts.
It looks like a text file that somebody typed out in 2 minutes.
And its suggestion that the Iraqi people have access to the wealth of their oil resources is totally ludicrous.
SO I googled Henry Thompson and Iraq it and found this article about what Thompson actually said.
this line:
Just for you Ray:
This is a recent 2013 article by a reporter living in Iraq. Saying it is the Iraqi government awarding the contracts to major international oil firms, not the US government. Saying security and conditions are improving.
So what do you want, Ray? Sadam back in power killing over 100,000 Iraqi a year? Or the Iraqi...Kurds, Sunni and Shia....using their oil wealth to proposer. Since the first is impossible and the second is becoming a reality.
If you want the later....then also realize it was a American/Uk invasion of the country that brought it about.
Everybody make sure to paste that broken link into your browser to see where Ttom50 gets his facts.
It looks like a text file that somebody typed out in 2 minutes.
And its suggestion that the Iraqi people have access to the wealth of their oil resources is totally ludicrous.
SO I googled Henry Thompson and Iraq it and found this article about what Thompson actually said.
this line:
Just for you Ray:
This is a recent 2013 article by a reporter living in Iraq. Saying it is the Iraqi government awarding the contracts to major international oil firms, not the US government. Saying security and conditions are improving.
So what do you want, Ray? Sadam back in power killing over 100,000 Iraqi a year? Or the Iraqi...Kurds, Sunni and Shia....using their oil wealth to proposer. Since the first is impossible and the second is becoming a reality.
If you want the later....then also realize it was a American/Uk invasion of the country that brought it about.
Oblivion1000: At the end of the day whats 3000 people, they have killed 100,000's more in the middle east... People are plenty, oil is becoming scarce.
It stands to reason. The US won,t go near North Korea1 Because they have little or no oil.
2 Because the US are afraid of their s**t of North Korea.
Imagine how this planning session between Bush, Rummy and Cheney must have gone:
BUSH: So, what's the plan again?
CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.
RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.
CHENEY: No, Don, we won't.
RUMSFELD: We won't?
CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers al-Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq.
RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack?
CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Don. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around.
BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs, and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed, and needlessly complicate everything!
CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of nowhere somewhere in rural Pennsylvania.
BUSH: So, what's the plan again?
CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.
RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.
CHENEY: No, Don, we won't.
RUMSFELD: We won't?
CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers al-Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq.
RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack?
CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Don. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around.
BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs, and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed, and needlessly complicate everything!
CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of nowhere somewhere in rural Pennsylvania.
RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of ****ing nowhere.
CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.
BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?
CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.
BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?
CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.
BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?
CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.
BUSH: Oh, okay.
RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do, and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork, and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.
BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world, and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?
CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!
RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington DC fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI-5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!
BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? ****, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?
RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!
ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!
The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement
Why the "9/11 Truth" movement makes the Left Behind series read like Shakespeare.
CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.
BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?
CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.
BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?
CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.
BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?
CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.
BUSH: Oh, okay.
RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do, and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork, and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.
BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world, and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?
CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!
RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington DC fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI-5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!
BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? ****, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?
RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!
ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!
The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement
Why the "9/11 Truth" movement makes the Left Behind series read like Shakespeare.
RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of ****ing nowhere.
CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.
BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?
CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.
BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?
CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.
BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?
CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.
BUSH: Oh, okay.
RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do, and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork, and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.
BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world, and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?
CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!
RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington DC fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI-5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!
BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? ****, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?
RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!
ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!
The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement
Why the "9/11 Truth" movement makes the Left Behind series read like Shakespeare.
CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.
BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?
CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.
BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?
CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.
BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?
CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.
BUSH: Oh, okay.
RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do, and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork, and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.
BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world, and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?
CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!
RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington DC fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI-5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!
BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? ****, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?
RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!
ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!
The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement
Why the "9/11 Truth" movement makes the Left Behind series read like Shakespeare.
Conrad73: RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of ****ing nowhere.
CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.
BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?
CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.
BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?
CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.
BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?
CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.
BUSH: Oh, okay.
RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do, and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork, and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.
BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world, and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?
CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!
RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington DC fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI-5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!
BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? ****, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?
RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!
ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement
Why the "9/11 Truth" movement makes the Left Behind series read like Shakespeare.
CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.
BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?
CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.
BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?
CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.
BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?
CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?
RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.
BUSH: Oh, okay.
RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do, and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork, and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.
BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world, and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?
CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!
RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington DC fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI-5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!
BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? ****, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?
RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!
ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement
Why the "9/11 Truth" movement makes the Left Behind series read like Shakespeare.
This was excellent Conrad but I think you have too much time on your hands. 
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