Sounds like Joan of Arc telling that God hated the English and it was the reason they will be booted out of the country. Primitive ideology, as if God had a preference with a specific nationality. America was founded by men seeking freedom from religious persecution and later they made sure it wouldn't happen again by a declaration for the separation of church and state, nothing more. It was also "dedicated", as you say, to a "Creator" which can mean the Sun, Nature or anything for that matter.
Oblivion1000: At the end of the day whats 3000 people, they have killed 100,000's more in the middle east... People are plenty, oil is becoming scarce.
world leaders,u never know,bin laden was a friend v. ussr,yrs.ago,in the grove castro,was a guest there,power n money,hang togather,while peons,make them rich,less oil,could cause ww3.
stringman: I believe 9/11 happened because it was a sigh from GOD that HE is taking away his protection to US. so was sandy a wake up call to show who is really running this world. by BTW AMERICA was dedicated to GOD, based on faith in GOD. AMEN.
My previous comment (#114) was in reply to Stringman.
reb56: world leaders,u never know,bin laden was a friend v. ussr,yrs.ago,in the grove castro,was a guest there,power n money,hang togather,while peons,make them rich,less oil,could cause ww3.
Oblivion1000: At the end of the day whats 3000 people, they have killed 100,000's more in the middle east... People are plenty, oil is becoming scarce.
I guess we should all believe that George Bush; believed my many to be the dumbest President ever was smart enough to orchestrated 9/11 which had to have involved hundreds if not thousands of people and nothing has leaked out after 12 years. At the same time we have to believe that Bill Clinton whom many believe to be one of the smartest Presidents in recent history was incapable of getting a BJ in the Oval office involving only 2 people and a cigar without getting caught/things leaking out. If 9/11 was orchestrated by GWB we’re going to need to rethink his intelligence. I think it’s safer to say the “truthers” need to rethink theirs.
SparkyAgain: I guess we should all believe that George Bush; believed my many to be the dumbest President ever was smart enough to orchestrated 9/11 which had to have involved hundreds if not thousands of people and nothing has leaked out after 12 years. At the same time we have to believe that Bill Clinton whom many believe to be one of the smartest Presidents in recent history was incapable of getting a BJ in the Oval office involving only 2 people and a cigar without getting caught/things leaking out. If 9/11 was orchestrated by GWB we’re going to need to rethink his intelligence. I think it’s safer to say the “truthers” need to rethink theirs.
GW may have been the dumbest president in the history of the US, and there's no way in the world he could have orchestrated anything even close to the entireity of what happened on 9/11. He may have been complicit though, he may have known about the "plot", and ignored it, or may have even been part of it all.
Maybe the US should have him "randomly picked up" and have him sent to Egypt or Syria to have hime tortured on their behalf to find out for sure. Oh wait, they're in turmoil, maye the US doesn't have someone "secure" to do this on their behalf anymore.
Of course, with the scenario you've placed before us, there's no way anyone should believe, but, what about reality, or the possibility of there being US involvement. Do you think, even with your security clearances, you'd know about it?
Sure, Bill got a BJ, sure, George is a halfwit, but what else is true? Do you really want to know, or would you rather blindly follow the "official" truth?
Do you really belive that engineers, architects, ex military, metalurgists, politicians, and a host of others are creating a conspiracy againt the US government, just for fun?
The truth is out there, and I don't believe the "official" version, there are just too many documented indescrepencies, as well as eyewitness accounts, and for too much factual evidence to counter it, for it to be believable for what it is.
Of course, Conrad could always post a cartoon, or an emoticon to counter my post, but I'd really rather see someone defend the official version as it is, and "truthfully".
kidatheart: GW may have been the dumbest president in the history of the US, and there's no way in the world he could have orchestrated anything even close to the entireity of what happened on 9/11. He may have been complicit though, he may have known about the "plot", and ignored it, or may have even been part of it all.
Maybe the US should have him "randomly picked up" and have him sent to Egypt or Syria to have hime tortured on their behalf to find out for sure. Oh wait, they're in turmoil, maye the US doesn't have someone "secure" to do this on their behalf anymore.
Of course, with the scenario you've placed before us, there's no way anyone should believe, but, what about reality, or the possibility of there being US involvement. Do you think, even with your security clearances, you'd know about it?
Sure, Bill got a BJ, sure, George is a halfwit, but what else is true? Do you really want to know, or would you rather blindly follow the "official" truth?
Do you really belive that engineers, architects, ex military, metalurgists, politicians, and a host of others are creating a conspiracy againt the US government, just for fun?
The truth is out there, and I don't believe the "official" version, there are just too many documented indescrepencies, as well as eyewitness accounts, and for too much factual evidence to counter it, for it to be believable for what it is.
Of course, Conrad could always post a cartoon, or an emoticon to counter my post, but I'd really rather see someone defend the official version as it is, and "truthfully".
Me thinks they were caught with their Pants down,just like the present Administration in Boston did!
kidatheart: GW may have been the dumbest president in the history of the US, and there's no way in the world he could have orchestrated anything even close to the entireity of what happened on 9/11. He may have been complicit though, he may have known about the "plot", and ignored it, or may have even been part of it all.
Maybe the US should have him "randomly picked up" and have him sent to Egypt or Syria to have hime tortured on their behalf to find out for sure. Oh wait, they're in turmoil, maye the US doesn't have someone "secure" to do this on their behalf anymore.
Of course, with the scenario you've placed before us, there's no way anyone should believe, but, what about reality, or the possibility of there being US involvement. Do you think, even with your security clearances, you'd know about it?
Sure, Bill got a BJ, sure, George is a halfwit, but what else is true? Do you really want to know, or would you rather blindly follow the "official" truth?
Do you really belive that engineers, architects, ex military, metalurgists, politicians, and a host of others are creating a conspiracy againt the US government, just for fun?
The truth is out there, and I don't believe the "official" version, there are just too many documented indescrepencies, as well as eyewitness accounts, and for too much factual evidence to counter it, for it to be believable for what it is.
Of course, Conrad could always post a cartoon, or an emoticon to counter my post, but I'd really rather see someone defend the official version as it is, and "truthfully".
Kid,
I don't think they do it for fun, they do it for money. Every time someone visits one of those sites, they get paid by the sponsors. I’ve seen enough faked information to convince me that there is no conspiracy and the fact does remain that there would have been hundreds if not thousands of people involved in such a conspiracy and yet there’s nothing.
As for clearances, even a high as mine is, if such a thing were to happen I would not be in the loop. Having said that, I do know a lot of people who would have been and I believe they have the integrity to not be involved in such a thing despite what we’re currently seeing with the many scandals happening with the IRS, Benghazi, PRISM, etc… My colleagues in the military would never have allowed such a thing.
Finally, the dumb founded look on GB’s face when he was in that classroom makes it pretty clear he was surprised and therefore had no inkling and certainly wasn’t complicit.
Based on the above I believe I’ve given this its due diligence rather than turning a blind eye and have come to my own conclusion that this is nothing more than a conspiracy.
The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548) is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution; this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."
The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto. The War Powers Resolution has been violated in the past by President Reagan in regards to the aid to the Contras in Nicaragua and by President Clinton in 1999, during the bombing campaign in Kosovo. All incidents have had congressional disapproval, but none have had any successful legal actions taken against the president for violations. All presidents since 1973 have declared their belief that the act is unconstitutional.
The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548) is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution; this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."
The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto. The War Powers Resolution has been violated in the past by President Reagan in regards to the aid to the Contras in Nicaragua and by President Clinton in 1999, during the bombing campaign in Kosovo. All incidents have had congressional disapproval, but none have had any successful legal actions taken against the president for violations. All presidents since 1973 have declared their belief that the act is unconstitutional.
The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548) is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution; this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."
The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto. The War Powers Resolution has been violated in the past by President Reagan in regards to the aid to the Contras in Nicaragua and by President Clinton in 1999, during the bombing campaign in Kosovo. All incidents have had congressional disapproval, but none have had any successful legal actions taken against the president for violations. All presidents since 1973 have declared their belief that the act is unconstitutional.
Oblivion1000: At the end of the day whats 3000 people, they have killed 100,000's more in the middle east... People are plenty, oil is becoming scarce.
water is more of precious resource than oil.
fact USA gets most of it's natural gas and oil from Canada.
Wars are started by all kinds of reasons..... usually some civil conflict within the area first.... and of course wars kill people..... and wars are ugly..... and always there will be people who are peace makers and war mongers.... it is human....
JeanKimberley: water is more of precious resource than oil.
fact USA gets most of it's natural gas and oil from Canada.
Wars are started by all kinds of reasons..... usually some civil conflict within the area first.... and of course wars kill people..... and wars are ugly..... and always there will be people who are peace makers and war mongers.... it is human....
and there are always the spoils of war.....
Interesting, people tell me I'm crazy in thinking that scarcity of clean drinkable water will be the cause for the next world war.
Even if they could build enough desalination plants, they won't be able to purify the water the polluted water fast enough to be safe to drink. (as always, jest my opinion)
galrads: Interesting, people tell me I'm crazy in thinking that scarcity of clean drinkable water will be the cause for the next world war.
Even if they could build enough desalination plants, they won't be able to purify the water the polluted water fast enough to be safe to drink. (as always, jest my opinion)
Not too many people talk about that, and I agree with you... water will be the major cause for wars in the near future, as "drinkable water" will be scarce due to pollution, climate changes etc, etc...
By the way, did you know that China was (not sure if still is) was importing water from US?
Bogart_1960: Not too many people talk about that, and I agree with you... water will be the major cause for wars in the near future, as "drinkable water" will be scarce due to pollution, climate changes etc, etc...
By the way, did you know that China was (not sure if still is) was importing water from US?
that must be a heck of a transportation problem..... not sure I find that economically feasible.
Bogart_1960: let me find the article, .... W.s. had an article about it... transport was done by tankers (great lakes to china)
yikes! china drinking water from the great lakes.... must be the canadian side, I don't even think anyone wants to drink water from the great lakes....
JeanKimberley: yikes! china drinking water from the great lakes.... must be the canadian side, I don't even think anyone wants to drink water from the great lakes....
"On October 12, 2012, Forbes Magazine announced that Zong Qinghou has regained first place on 2012 Forbes list of the richest people in China. He is known as the "drinks king" and made his $10.8 billion fortune with China's largest beverage producer, Wahaha, which translates to "laughing children". The company had a 24 percent increase in sales in 2012 and serves 1.34 billion customers in China with bottled water and drinks. The main water source is Hangzhou's Qiandao Lake. Hangzhou's Xin'an River had a carbolic acid spill in July 2011, causing a run on bottled Wahaha water.
In 1998, a Canadian company called Nova Group received a permit from Ottawa to sell China Lake Superior water at the rate of 160 million gallons by tanker ship. After much political and public outcry, Ottawa officials canceled the permit in 1999. Concern for protecting the Great Lakes Basin resulted in the 2006 Great Lakes Compact which was signed by President Bush in October 2008.
A loophole in the 2006 Great Lakes Compact allows the water to be called a product and sold off outside the basin. The Great Lakes-St. Lawrence River Basin Water Resources Compact, after public interest organizations and politicians campaigned for it for ten years, was an effort to permanently safeguard the Great Lakes' twenty percent of the world's fresh water.
There have been some as yet unsuccessful attempts to close the "bottled water loophole" by people like Michigan Rep. Bart Stupak. He introduced H.RES.551 to amend the Compact and prohibit sales, diversion or exportation of Great Lakes water outside the basin. The Great Lakes Basin is a 290,000-square-mile area whose waters feed the lakes and includes parts of eight states--Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. The Canadian provinces of Ontario and Quebec are also affected. The resolution remains in the House Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law.
Michigan House Bill-5319 was introduced by Rep. Dan Scripps to establish that both groundwater and the Great Lakes water are a “public trust". It was referred to the House Great Lakes and Environment Committee in September 2009. "
Bogart_1960: Concern for protecting the Great Lakes Basin resulted in the 2006 Great Lakes Compact which was signed by President Bush in October 2008.
A loophole in the 2006 Great Lakes Compact allows the water to be called a product and sold off outside the basin.
The Canadian provinces of Ontario and Quebec are also affected. The resolution remains in the House Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law.
Michigan House Bill-5319 was introduced by Rep. Dan Scripps to establish that both groundwater and the Great Lakes water are a “public trust". It was referred to the House Great Lakes and Environment Committee in September 2009. "
etc etc
I leave the country for one minute.... and this happens
Bogart_1960: "On October 12, 2012, Forbes Magazine announced that Zong Qinghou has regained first place on 2012 Forbes list of the richest people in China. He is known as the "drinks king" and made his $10.8 billion fortune with China's largest beverage producer, Wahaha, which translates to "laughing children". The company had a 24 percent increase in sales in 2012 and serves 1.34 billion customers in China with bottled water and drinks. The main water source is Hangzhou's Qiandao Lake. Hangzhou's Xin'an River had a carbolic acid spill in July 2011, causing a run on bottled Wahaha water.In 1998, a Canadian company called Nova Group received a permit from Ottawa to sell China Lake Superior water at the rate of 160 million gallons by tanker ship. After much political and public outcry, Ottawa officials canceled the permit in 1999. Concern for protecting the Great Lakes Basin resulted in the 2006 Great Lakes Compact which was signed by President Bush in October 2008.
A loophole in the 2006 Great Lakes Compact allows the water to be called a product and sold off outside the basin. The Great Lakes-St. Lawrence River Basin Water Resources Compact, after public interest organizations and politicians campaigned for it for ten years, was an effort to permanently safeguard the Great Lakes' twenty percent of the world's fresh water.
There have been some as yet unsuccessful attempts to close the "bottled water loophole" by people like Michigan Rep. Bart Stupak. He introduced H.RES.551 to amend the Compact and prohibit sales, diversion or exportation of Great Lakes water outside the basin. The Great Lakes Basin is a 290,000-square-mile area whose waters feed the lakes and includes parts of eight states--Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. The Canadian provinces of Ontario and Quebec are also affected. The resolution remains in the House Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law.
Michigan House Bill-5319 was introduced by Rep. Dan Scripps to establish that both groundwater and the Great Lakes water are a “public trust". It was referred to the House Great Lakes and Environment Committee in September 2009. "
etc etc
Interesting article. A lot of people here are afraid to eat fish from the great lakes due to mercury and other pollutant toxic levels found in them.
Yeah, I've puked up all over the great lakes too years ago while out fishing. Guess I don't have a stomach for the waves there.
Am I the only one who sees a problem with filling a metal boat to the brim with water, then expecting it to float? :)
That War Powers thing is a little one sided in that it leaves crucial parts out, such as the President is authorized to commit 100,000 troops and materials before notifying Congress. Likewise Notification to Congress shall consist on notification to specific Committees of the Congress. If those Committee members choose (or chose in the past) to not tell other members of Congress about it, well blame them, not the President who followed the law.
It was a Cold War legislation. A nuclear strike could eliminate the Congress. The President and the military chain of command needed authority to react without waiting for Congress to resurrect itself from the ashes and convene. This also allowed US troops defending West Germany and other NATO allies to react quickly to any Warsaw Pact incursions. Also, you mix apples and oranges by confusing the War Powers Act with modifications growing out of the Senator Church Committee on Assassinations to the Intelligence Statutes and greater authority to the CIA to do as the White House bids them to do.
Ken_19: you mix apples and oranges by confusing the War Powers Act with modifications growing out of the Senator Church Committee on Assassinations to the Intelligence Statutes and greater authority to the CIA to do as the White House bids them to do.
our various governments are complicated business.... and those that know how to play the game by knowing the most rules.... seem to be more successful.
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America was founded by men seeking freedom from religious persecution and later they made sure it wouldn't happen again by a declaration for the separation of church and state, nothing more.
It was also "dedicated", as you say, to a "Creator" which can mean the Sun, Nature or anything for that matter.