is there EVER a good enough reason for a man to hit a women???? (305)

May 29, 2013 11:46 AM CST is there EVER a good enough reason for a man to hit a women????
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
MADDOG69: Just War has NOTHING to do with this. And do you know why? Because War /= Justice. That's why we jail one time murderers and man slaughterers who would have a Nill chance of recidivism. Not because we reduce evil in the world by jailing them, but because Justice is done. And Justice is seen to be done.


Justice requires an acceptance of authority. And you're debating with someone who pathologically rejects authority from(I would say)an unresolved childhood trauma.
May 29, 2013 11:53 AM CST is there EVER a good enough reason for a man to hit a women????
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
MADDOG69: It's more to do with motive. That's what bonda fides means... you don;t have them

'Bonda fides' means what, exactly?

Is it about motive, or not? I don't recall philosophy, or logic conducted in the realm of 'more, or less'. Quite the opposite, in fact.

How does this relate to my post? How do I not have 'bonda fides', or motives?
MADDOG69: You had to answer my question and in doing so had to admit to knowing what I meant... but in doing that went off on a Jus bellum ramble to mitigate it.

I was asking for clarification.

Given your previous posts, I'm really not sure what you meant, but I did give you the benefit of the doubt, I'll grant you.

When you didn't clarify your absolute, I clarified why it was important to do so.

Your response is an ad hominem one.
MADDOG69: Just War has NOTHING to do with this. And do you know why? Because War /= Justice. That's why we jail one time murderers and man slaughterers who would have a Nill chance of recidivism. Not because we reduce evil in the world by jailing them, but because Justice is done. And Justice is seen to be done.

But there is a link between 'just war' and 'justifying violence' as war is violent and deemed just when in defence of personal harm, albeit collectively.

Justice may also cover other areas, but does not negate other applications.

Do you feel that publicly beating a woman and having the neighbours see her snot and tears is to do with 'justice being seen to be done'? If that's the case, why is that important to you?

MADDOG69: Evil in of itself is very intangible. Revenge and Justice is even more intangible. You could never go far trying to measure the before or after.

Your above statements are intangible to me and I don't see quite why you've put them here in this paragraph with:
MADDOG69: And the shiny armour.... There's enough White Knights around without me putting on armour. I wouldn't even get a look in.

But you did say earlier by way of justification for violence against cheaters something about it being possible, or likely that there would be fewer cheaters if corporal punishment, or violence, were meted out to them. confused
MADDOG69: And the last thing I want to say... look... I didn't say that you had a personal failure. I didn't know or want to know... people go into things with the best of intentions and things sometimes organise themselves to make it bad in the end. It can't always be seen as personal failure and shouldn't. Maybe that's why people get so miserable when they refuse to see that they went ahead with best intentions at the start and ended up unsatisfactorily.

I never did say, or imply that a woman having a child on her own was a measure of failure. I argued the exact opposite with you once, if you remember?

Not that a forum debate is the place to drag up people's personal lives when you can't think of a more appropriate way to contribute, as you have done.
May 29, 2013 11:55 AM CST is there EVER a good enough reason for a man to hit a women????
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Justice requires an acceptance of authority. And you're debating with someone who pathologically rejects authority from(I would say)an unresolved childhood trauma.

My goldfish died.
May 29, 2013 12:07 PM CST is there EVER a good enough reason for a man to hit a women????
CmdrMercutio
CmdrMercutioCmdrMercutioRickmansworth, UK, Hertfordshire, England UK2 Threads 139 Posts
If I saw a woman assaulting someone, say a child or a disabled person, I'd break her jaw

However there is never any acceptable excuse for un-pre-emptive violence or domestic violence within a relationship - in either direction. Those who use violence may have it used against them.
May 29, 2013 12:41 PM CST is there EVER a good enough reason for a man to hit a women????
Obstinance_Works: And you're debating with someone who pathologically rejects authority from(I would say)an unresolved childhood trauma.
lol.
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