again with this stuff.... I recommend reading the scholars of the time that Jesus was supposed to have lived... they apparently never heard of the guy as there was no written record of him until after he supposedly was around. How can that be?
Oh, he never existed... moving right along with life...
(snip)Dawkins, Hitchens, Stenger and many other authors too numerous to name, present historical evidence backed up by plenty of scholars and researches that J.C. did not exist.
This is always disputed by card carrying me members of the god squad and their many agents (believers) who suggest that there cannot be smoke without a fire. Something miraculous did happen in the 1st century AD - Certainly lots of things took place, but no J.C. miracles, not a word.
Let us put aside modern authors and their sources for a moment and go straight back act to the 1st. century, the time in which J.C. was said to have lived and performed his wondrous works. Listed below are a number of writers and historians, many highly reputed for their works. They all lived and wrote during the time or within a century after the time that J.C. is said to have lived, performed miracles, raised the dead, cured the sick and blind, walked on water, etc. followed everywhere he went by great multitudes of people.
Let us start with Philo-Judaeus (20 BC - 50 AD) Philo wrote an account of the Jews covering the entire time that J.C. is said to have existed on earth. Philo was living in or near Jerusalem when J.C.’s miraculous birth and Herod’s massacre occurred. He was there when J.C. made his triumphal entry into Jerusalem. He was there for the crucifixion and all the world shattering events that followed — earthquakes, the sun becoming dark at noon, the graves opening and the dead and long dead saints roaming about the place., supposedly seen by many, also when J.C. himself rose from the dead and in the presence of many witnesses ascended into heaven, but Philo saw nothing, heard nothing, wrote nothing.
Flavius Josephus, the renowned Jewish historian, born 37 AD was a contemporary of the apostles. He was for a time the governor of Galilee, where J.C. lived and taught. Josephus wrote of every important event during the first 70 years AD but J.C. did not get a mention. Later the Josephus writings were interpolated and forgeries which mention J.C. added on. This short forgery was labeled by Bishop Warburton as “a rank forgery and a very stupid one too…” It is mentioned in the Church History, that this was the word of the very dishonest bishop Eusebius. The Catholic Encyclopedia admits that the forged passages were not known to Origen and earlier church writers.
Justus Tiberius was a native of Galilee, he wrote a history covering the period of J.C.’s reputed existence. This work was destroyed, but Photius a Christian scholar and critic of the 9th century who was acquainted with it says that Justus made not a mention of J.C. or his wondrous works.
There were also interpolations and forgeries in the works of Pliny the younger and historian Tacitus (who was born about 20 years after the purported death of J.C.
Due to modern science these are now recognized as forgeries by all scholars both Christian and secular.
The other historians of that time, Arrian, Lucius Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD) Dion Pruseus, Pliny the Elder, Pater Calus, Suetonius, Juvenal, Theon of Smyran, Martial, Phlegon, Persius, Pompon Mela, Plutarch, Quintus Curtius, Lucian, Apollonius, Pausanias, Valerius Flaccus, Quintilian, Forus Lucius, Lucanus, Phaedrus, Epictetus, Damis, Silius Italicus, Alulus Geuius, Statius, Ptolemy, Columella, Diochry Sostom, Hermogones, Lysias, Valerius Maxiimus, Cornelius, Titus Livius, Cluvius Rufus, Publius Petronius (the Roman consul) who lived in Jerusalem. All these heard nothing, not a word was written about J.C.(snip)
Windydays: This is about the sun and when Jesus returns for the saved. In Isaiah 30 it says that it must be seven times brighter before He returns and it has been getting brighter.
7 times brighter than what, a shadow on the ground, a wilting plant?
Google the invention of the photometer, then come back to us with a base level of the intensity of sunlight when Christ was alive so we can all have an informed opinion of when the second coming is upon us :)
My advice is that you keep breathing normally as you wait because their "science" will be a long time coming. I appreciate all the effort you put into opening up these closed minds but I fear it's just a big waste of time. Their critical thinking has been replaced by rote memorization of clichés and phrases fed to them from birth. I remember as a child how I defended the myth of Santa Clause to my peers but logic won out and I had to accept that it was all a fabricated story, the purpose of which still eludes me. Was it blackmail, a tool? There was a thread on here a few years ago about Noah and the ark, the believers predictably defended the story as a fact but faced with overwhelming logic they eventually went silent.
ooby_dooby: My advice is that you keep breathing normally as you wait because their "science" will be a long time coming. I appreciate all the effort you put into opening up these closed minds but I fear it's just a big waste of time. Their critical thinking has been replaced by rote memorization of clichés and phrases fed to them from birth. I remember as a child how I defended the myth of Santa Clause to my peers but logic won out and I had to accept that it was all a fabricated story, the purpose of which still eludes me. Was it blackmail, a tool? There was a thread on here a few years ago about Noah and the ark, the believers predictably defended the story as a fact but faced with overwhelming logic they eventually went silent.
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Oh, he never existed... moving right along with life...
Brian de Kretser
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(snip)Dawkins, Hitchens, Stenger and many other authors too numerous to name, present historical evidence backed up by plenty of scholars and researches that J.C. did not exist.
This is always disputed by card carrying me members of the god squad and their many agents (believers) who suggest that there cannot be smoke without a fire. Something miraculous did happen in the 1st century AD - Certainly lots of things took place, but no J.C. miracles, not a word.
Let us put aside modern authors and their sources for a moment and go straight back act to the 1st. century, the time in which J.C. was said to have lived and performed his wondrous works. Listed below are a number of writers and historians, many highly reputed for their works. They all lived and wrote during the time or within a century after the time that J.C. is said to have lived, performed miracles, raised the dead, cured the sick and blind, walked on water, etc. followed everywhere he went by great multitudes of people.
Let us start with Philo-Judaeus (20 BC - 50 AD) Philo wrote an account of the Jews covering the entire time that J.C. is said to have existed on earth. Philo was living in or near Jerusalem when J.C.’s miraculous birth and Herod’s massacre occurred. He was there when J.C. made his triumphal entry into Jerusalem. He was there for the crucifixion and all the world shattering events that followed — earthquakes, the sun becoming dark at noon, the graves opening and the dead and long dead saints roaming about the place., supposedly seen by many, also when J.C. himself rose from the dead and in the presence of many witnesses ascended into heaven, but Philo saw nothing, heard nothing, wrote nothing.
Flavius Josephus, the renowned Jewish historian, born 37 AD was a contemporary of the apostles. He was for a time the governor of Galilee, where J.C. lived and taught. Josephus wrote of every important event during the first 70 years AD but J.C. did not get a mention. Later the Josephus writings were interpolated and forgeries which mention J.C. added on. This short forgery was labeled by Bishop Warburton as “a rank forgery and a very stupid one too…” It is mentioned in the Church History, that this was the word of the very dishonest bishop Eusebius. The Catholic Encyclopedia admits that the forged passages were not known to Origen and earlier church writers.
Justus Tiberius was a native of Galilee, he wrote a history covering the period of J.C.’s reputed existence. This work was destroyed, but Photius a Christian scholar and critic of the 9th century who was acquainted with it says that Justus made not a mention of J.C. or his wondrous works.
There were also interpolations and forgeries in the works of Pliny the younger and historian Tacitus (who was born about 20 years after the purported death of J.C.
Due to modern science these are now recognized as forgeries by all scholars both Christian and secular.
The other historians of that time, Arrian, Lucius Seneca (4 BC - 65 AD) Dion Pruseus, Pliny the Elder, Pater Calus, Suetonius, Juvenal, Theon of Smyran, Martial, Phlegon, Persius, Pompon Mela, Plutarch, Quintus Curtius, Lucian, Apollonius, Pausanias, Valerius Flaccus, Quintilian, Forus Lucius, Lucanus, Phaedrus, Epictetus, Damis, Silius Italicus, Alulus Geuius, Statius, Ptolemy, Columella, Diochry Sostom, Hermogones, Lysias, Valerius Maxiimus, Cornelius, Titus Livius, Cluvius Rufus, Publius Petronius (the Roman consul) who lived in Jerusalem. All these heard nothing, not a word was written about J.C.(snip)