Would you give your life to save a stranger?. (59)

Jun 25, 2013 8:43 AM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
Waterbearer63: Everyone faces life altering decisions sometime during their life.Are people so self-centered that they wouldn`t help a stranger or do people still have morals?.

Nope...
first of all Im responsible for my family...
second, why is a life of a total stranger more important to me then my own...
Jun 25, 2013 8:47 AM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Iuchi_Zien
Iuchi_ZienIuchi_ZienSheffield, South Yorkshire, England UK21 Threads 9 Polls 1,426 Posts
Boban1: Nope...
first of all Im responsible for my family...
second, why is a life of a total stranger more important to me then my own...


Me too.
Jun 25, 2013 11:20 AM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Boban1: Nope...
first of all Im responsible for my family...
second, why is a life of a total stranger more important to me then my own...
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Jun 25, 2013 11:28 AM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
It would all depend on what or from whom I was saving their life from.
Jun 25, 2013 5:12 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
gorby
gorbygorbyhull, East Riding of Yorkshire, England UK10 Posts
everyone but you, your a cat.
Jun 25, 2013 5:17 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63
Waterbearer63Waterbearer63Edmonton, Alberta Canada27 Threads 27 Polls 232 Posts
gorby: everyone but you, your a cat.

rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing Aw. What`s wrong, you don`t like cats?. Thanks for the laugh, really needed that today. It`s pouring rain here and that always depresses me. cheers
Jun 25, 2013 5:58 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
A_Non_A_Moose
A_Non_A_MooseA_Non_A_MooseWestlock, Alberta Canada116 Threads 8 Polls 4,340 Posts
Waterbearer63: Aw. What`s wrong, you don`t like cats?. Thanks for the laugh, really needed that today. It`s pouring rain here and that always depresses me.


An hour north of you,...and yup,...raining here as well,...total elation though,....an excuse NOT to cut the 5 acres of lawn!!!
Then again,...we really do not need the rain in Alberta,...

Jun 25, 2013 6:09 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63
Waterbearer63Waterbearer63Edmonton, Alberta Canada27 Threads 27 Polls 232 Posts
A_Non_A_Moose: An hour north of you,...and yup,...raining here as well,...total elation though,....an excuse NOT to cut the 5 acres of lawn!!!
Then again,...we really do not need the rain in Alberta,...

If you have 5 acres of lawn to cut I hope you have a riding lawnmower and not a pushmower because that would take a week. By the time you finished it would be time to start all over again.laugh
Jun 25, 2013 6:14 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63
Waterbearer63Waterbearer63Edmonton, Alberta Canada27 Threads 27 Polls 232 Posts
A_Non_A_Moose: An hour north of you,...and yup,...raining here as well,...total elation though,....an excuse NOT to cut the 5 acres of lawn!!!
Then again,...we really do not need the rain in Alberta,...

Johnny Cash singing?. By the looks of that video it`s time for Calgarians to sell their cars and buy boats instead.
Jun 25, 2013 6:40 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
This particular question serves to bring out the heroes. Why don't you ask "Would you give someone else's life to save a stranger"? that might challenge people.

Say for instance you were on a small stone built bridge that spanned over a railway track. On one side of the bridge you saw a small child tied on the tracks. But on the other side you saw a fat man sitting on the bridge parapet happily eating an ice cream. There was a train coming and the only you could think to save the child was to push the fat man off the bridge. Would you do it?
Jun 25, 2013 6:42 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
A_Non_A_Moose
A_Non_A_MooseA_Non_A_MooseWestlock, Alberta Canada116 Threads 8 Polls 4,340 Posts
One who understandsthumbs up
wakaleo: give my life - no
risk my life - yes

but i think as long as someone is not totally apathetic, that goes by instinct... trying to save someone, but preserve the own life
Jun 25, 2013 6:44 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
A_Non_A_Moose
A_Non_A_MooseA_Non_A_MooseWestlock, Alberta Canada116 Threads 8 Polls 4,340 Posts
Waterbearer63: Johnny Cash singing?. By the looks of that video it`s time for Calgarians to sell their cars and buy boats instead.


LOL! Hell,....Alberta will survive,....this kind of stuff just gives us something to tell the young ones,...(Hey sonny,....you should have seen the flood of 13,....)
Jun 25, 2013 6:46 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
A_Non_A_Moose
A_Non_A_MooseA_Non_A_MooseWestlock, Alberta Canada116 Threads 8 Polls 4,340 Posts
Forcedhand: This particular question serves to bring out the heroes. Why don't you ask "Would you give someone else's life to save a stranger"? that might challenge people.

Say for instance you were on a small stone built bridge that spanned over a railway track. On one side of the bridge you saw a small child tied on the tracks. But on the other side you saw a fat man sitting on the bridge parapet happily eating an ice cream. There was a train coming and the only you could think to save the child was to push the fat man off the bridge. Would you do it?


Uh,.....no,....for I cannot see how pushing the fat man off of the bridge will save the child who still remains tied to the tracks.
Jun 25, 2013 6:53 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
A_Non_A_Moose: Uh,.....no,....for I cannot see how pushing the fat man off of the bridge will save the child who still remains tied to the tracks.


Uh...Well the train driver will jamb on the breaks when he sees the fat man falling onto the tracks. This will hopefully stop the train in time to save the child.
Jun 25, 2013 7:03 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
A_Non_A_Moose
A_Non_A_MooseA_Non_A_MooseWestlock, Alberta Canada116 Threads 8 Polls 4,340 Posts
Forcedhand: Uh...Well the train driver will jamb on the breaks when he sees the fat man falling onto the tracks. This will hopefully stop the train in time to save the child.


Hmmm, you stated that I was to push him off of the bridge,...without mention of pushing him onto the tracks,....yet,...why did not the engineer hit the brakes when he saw the child on the tracks? And this is of no regard, for knowing the braking distance of a train with attending cars, most take a great distance to come to a compete stop, and in this instance, both the fat man, and the child would be killed.

But I believe the intent of your proposal was "Would I sacrifice someone else to save another's life?" I guess that would entail considering the people involved, the rationale, and the circumstances,...but in the simplest of pretense,...does not a Captain of a fire brigade possibly sacrifice those under his command to save the lives of others by commanding them to fight a fire?
Jun 25, 2013 7:04 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63
Waterbearer63Waterbearer63Edmonton, Alberta Canada27 Threads 27 Polls 232 Posts
A_Non_A_Moose: LOL! Hell,....Alberta will survive,....this kind of stuff just gives us something to tell the young ones,...(Hey sonny,....you should have seen the flood of 13,....)

Albertans are tough, we can take winters here, a little rain is nothing. Kind of reminds me of photo my dad had taken of him one winter. Our family farm was about 20 miles south of Edmonton. Are you familiar with how tall a yard light on a farm is, the one by the house?. Anyway, one day when I was in my early teens I was complaining how deep the snow was and the fact that I`m the one who had to shovel the walks. Dad doesn`t say a word, just gets up and walks out of the room. About 5 minutes later he comes back holding a black and white photo. "So you think this snow is deep do you?.This is how deep it was here in 1948". I looked at the photo. It was him in the picture standing on the snow and leaning with one hand resting on TOP of the yardlight some 30 ft high. There was only about two feet of the top of the pole showing and him leaning against it with his hand.That`s how bad the snow had drifted into the yard. Isn`t that something?. I`m guessing it was about 30 ft deep since I`m using the yardlight as a reference but don`t know the actual height of one.
Jun 25, 2013 7:08 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63
Waterbearer63Waterbearer63Edmonton, Alberta Canada27 Threads 27 Polls 232 Posts
Forcedhand: Uh...Well the train driver will jamb on the breaks when he sees the fat man falling onto the tracks. This will hopefully stop the train in time to save the child.

The average train takes a mile or more to stop when travelling at 60 miles per hour. The likelihood of that child being killed by the train is extremely high. Unless the child could free himself in time, he would be dead.
Jun 25, 2013 7:10 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
A_Non_A_Moose
A_Non_A_MooseA_Non_A_MooseWestlock, Alberta Canada116 Threads 8 Polls 4,340 Posts
Waterbearer63: Albertans are tough, we can take winters here, a little rain is nothing. Kind of reminds me of photo my dad had taken of him one winter. Our family farm was about 20 miles south of Edmonton. Are you familiar with how tall a yard light on a farm is, the one by the house?. Anyway, one day when I was in my early teens I was complaining how deep the snow was and the fact that I`m the one who had to shovel the walks. Dad doesn`t say a word, just gets up and walks out of the room. About 5 minutes later he comes back holding a black and white photo. "So you think this snow is deep do you?.This is how deep it was here in 1948". I looked at the photo. It was him in the picture standing on the snow and leaning with one hand resting on TOP of the yardlight some 30 ft high. There was only about two feet of the top of the pole showing and him leaning against it with his hand.That`s how bad the snow had drifted into the yard. Isn`t that something?. I`m guessing it was about 30 ft deep since I`m using the yardlight as a reference but don`t know the actual height of one.


LOL! Sounds like Leduc country,...where my dad's older brother used to farm at! But hey,....ssshhhh,....no need to mention how harsh the winters can be here,....I am still trying to convince "someone" it isn't all that bad here in the winter!grin
Jun 25, 2013 7:14 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63
Waterbearer63Waterbearer63Edmonton, Alberta Canada27 Threads 27 Polls 232 Posts
A_Non_A_Moose: LOL! Sounds like Leduc country,...where my dad's older brother used to farm at! But hey,....ssshhhh,....no need to mention how harsh the winters can be here,....I am still trying to convince "someone" it isn't all that bad here in the winter!

You`re right. It was Leduc county.From our farm you could see what is now Highway 2 just south of the Truck scales.
Jun 25, 2013 7:14 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63
Waterbearer63Waterbearer63Edmonton, Alberta Canada27 Threads 27 Polls 232 Posts
A_Non_A_Moose: LOL! Sounds like Leduc country,...where my dad's older brother used to farm at! But hey,....ssshhhh,....no need to mention how harsh the winters can be here,....I am still trying to convince "someone" it isn't all that bad here in the winter!

You`re right. It was Leduc county.From our farm you could see what is now Highway 2 just south of the Truck scales.
Jun 25, 2013 7:17 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63: The average train takes a mile or more to stop when travelling at 60 miles per hour. The likelihood of that child being killed by the train is extremely high. Unless the child could free himself in time, he would be dead.


Well I guess you're focusing on the operational side of things whereas I was hoping you might have the smarts to contemplate the moral dilemma involved.
Jun 25, 2013 7:21 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63
Waterbearer63Waterbearer63Edmonton, Alberta Canada27 Threads 27 Polls 232 Posts
Forcedhand: Well I guess you're focusing on the operational side of things whereas I was hoping you might have the smarts to contemplate the moral dilemma involved.

Oh I have the smarts to contemplate it. And in the scenario you described and using what I know about the stopping distance of a train I can answer your question. The answer is no. I would not attempt the rescue as there is no possibility of success. professor
Jun 25, 2013 7:28 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63: Oh I have the smarts to contemplate it. And in the scenario you described and using what I know about the stopping distance of a train I can answer your question. The answer is no. I would not attempt the rescue as there is no possibility of success.


You're still not getting it, are you? The scenario is just that. I didn't give the velocity of the train nor the mass of it. You assumed all that and attempted to undermine the proposition with your assumptions. Can you not deal with the moral issues it raises?
Jun 25, 2013 7:30 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63
Waterbearer63Waterbearer63Edmonton, Alberta Canada27 Threads 27 Polls 232 Posts
Forcedhand: Well I guess you're focusing on the operational side of things whereas I was hoping you might have the smarts to contemplate the moral dilemma involved.

If you want to have a "Battle of wits" with me, you`re going to have to come up with tougher scenarios than what you`ve shown so far. professor
Jun 25, 2013 7:35 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63
Waterbearer63Waterbearer63Edmonton, Alberta Canada27 Threads 27 Polls 232 Posts
Forcedhand: You're still not getting it, are you? The scenario is just that. I didn't give the velocity of the train nor the mass of it. You assumed all that and attempted to undermine the proposition with your assumptions. Can you not deal with the moral issues it raises?

In that particular situation, the moral implications plays no role in the decision making process for me. When there is zero chance of success,morality means nothing to ME. Note that I said to me. To someone else it may matter. To me it does not. professor
Jun 25, 2013 7:38 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63: If you want to have a "Battle of wits" with me, you`re going to have to come up with tougher scenarios than what you`ve shown so far.


Well then I guess you can't see that the real question here was would you purposefully sacrifice one innocent person to save another?

I'm at my "wits" end!
Jun 25, 2013 9:07 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
BB_snickers
BB_snickersBB_snickersNarnia, Ontario Canada56 Threads 3,755 Posts
There's no one stranger than me, so sure. grin
Jun 25, 2013 10:21 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
Waterbearer63
Waterbearer63Waterbearer63Edmonton, Alberta Canada27 Threads 27 Polls 232 Posts
BB_snickers: There's no one stranger than me, so sure.

No one stranger than you. Hmm....Not sure about that. In my short time on this site I`ve run into some rather...shall we say Unique?...individuals. I seem to attract them for some unknown reason.confused
Jun 25, 2013 10:52 PM CST Would you give your life to save a stranger?.
SPS0913
SPS0913SPS0913Cherry Hill, New Jersey USA10 Threads 2 Polls 704 Posts

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