Children Beaty Pageants ( Elaborate your answer ) (114)
pedalguy59: Some of these threads hit home. A friend of mine years ago had
this Illness, and was not diagnosed until too late. The group of us
could not figure it out as he tried to quell it with Alcohol. Sadly
he Killed himself at age 32, so tragic.
this Illness, and was not diagnosed until too late. The group of us
could not figure it out as he tried to quell it with Alcohol. Sadly
he Killed himself at age 32, so tragic.
yes... that is tragic...
no words Pedal... I don't know what to say.... when I read something like this...
Merriweather: yes... that is tragic...
no words Pedal... I don't know what to say.... when I read something like this...
no words Pedal... I don't know what to say.... when I read something like this...
Yes, It is off topic but Jac is right, the term is often misused,and out of context. Thankfully people are being diagnosed earlier.
pedalguy59: Yes, It is off topic but Jac is right, the term is often misused,
and out of context. Thankfully people are being diagnosed earlier.
and out of context. Thankfully people are being diagnosed earlier.
I was held at gun point by a violent, drug addicted Schizophrenic. I was to drive him to a train station. He exited the car, and robbed it, and escaped. They caught him several days later, and on his trial where I was a witness. He got sentenced 5 years in an institution. He was released, he cleaned up and was on medication.
I ran into him on the street a year ago. I didn't know he was released. We had a cup of coffee, we talked. He didn't remember anything what he did. I told him, and he was very much sorry, and was apologising profoundly. I do not have any kind of ill will towards him. I actually understand more about this condition than most people. I understood, why. I don't pity him, nor feel sorry for him. He still chose not to take medication, and chose the path of crime, and drugs even from an early age. However. . .
We parted ways with a hand shake. He was lucky, that in his state, he actually did not kill anyone.
Now, back to the topic please - - - - Child Beauty Pageants, Yes, No, Maybe
54xmax: I was held at gun point by a violent, drug addicted Schizophrenic. I was to drive him to a train station. He exited the car, and robbed it, and escaped. They caught him several days later, and on his trial where I was a witness. He got sentenced 5 years in an institution. He was released, he cleaned up and was on medication.
I ran into him on the street a year ago. I didn't know he was released. We had a cup of coffee, we talked. He didn't remember anything what he did. I told him, and he was very much sorry, and was apologising profoundly. I do not have any kind of ill will towards him. I actually understand more about this condition than most people. I understood, why. I don't pity him, nor feel sorry for him. He still chose not to take medication, and chose the path of crime, and drugs even from an early age. However. . .
We parted ways with a hand shake. He was lucky, that in his state, he actually did not kill anyone.
Now, back to the topic please - - - - Child Beauty Pageants, Yes, No, Maybe
I ran into him on the street a year ago. I didn't know he was released. We had a cup of coffee, we talked. He didn't remember anything what he did. I told him, and he was very much sorry, and was apologising profoundly. I do not have any kind of ill will towards him. I actually understand more about this condition than most people. I understood, why. I don't pity him, nor feel sorry for him. He still chose not to take medication, and chose the path of crime, and drugs even from an early age. However. . .
We parted ways with a hand shake. He was lucky, that in his state, he actually did not kill anyone.
Now, back to the topic please - - - - Child Beauty Pageants, Yes, No, Maybe
What a horrible experience.
As for the topic under discussion. Absolutely not, I find them sad to watch. Let children be children.
54xmax: Stay on point, and stop trying to hijack the thread. If you want to discuss this subject, open the thread and we shall do so.
( Interesting clip ).
( Interesting clip ).
I'm not trying to hijack your thread. I'm just pointing out where you're being inconsistent in terms of the impact our behaviours have of other vulnerable people, whether they're children, mentally ill, or whatever.
I fail to see the logic in championing one cause, whilst buying into another when they're so inextricably linked.
unlaoised: What a horrible experience.
As for the topic under discussion. Absolutely not, I find them sad to watch. Let children be children.
As for the topic under discussion. Absolutely not, I find them sad to watch. Let children be children.
Well, it wasn't the first time. When it happened, I was simply thinking, what to crash my car into, as I had my seat belt on, and he didn't.
I was also talking to him, trying to understand WTF sent him over the edge. He was my mom's neighbour, therefore I knew about his condition.
It was an interesting experience, and I learned something new about myself.
54xmax: Well, it wasn't the first time. When it happened, I was simply thinking, what to crash my car into, as I had my seat belt on, and he didn't.
I was also talking to him, trying to understand WTF sent him over the edge. He was my mom's neighbour, therefore I knew about his condition.
It was an interesting experience, and I learned something new about myself.
I was also talking to him, trying to understand WTF sent him over the edge. He was my mom's neighbour, therefore I knew about his condition.
It was an interesting experience, and I learned something new about myself.
It's interesting to discover how we'll react in stressful and dangerous situations, isn't it?
jac379: I'm not trying to hijack your thread. I'm just pointing out where you're being inconsistent in terms of the impact our behaviours have of other vulnerable people, whether they're children, mentally ill, or whatever.
I fail to see the logic in championing one cause, whilst buying into another when they're so inextricably linked.
I fail to see the logic in championing one cause, whilst buying into another when they're so inextricably linked.
What does schizophrenia got to do with my thread and the point of it?
Besides, you pointed out in that thread. No need to do it here. Are you trying to nullify my arguments, that are very vigorous, and to the point? Are you trying to "rain me in"
. Dear lady, although I do see the point in your comments I read on other threads too. Some I actually even agree with. You shall not placate me in any way, shape or form. Stick to the subject at hand, and stop mixing things. You saying it, that you are "not trying to hijack" my thread, does not mean you are not doing it. You argument in this case is nullified. Oh, and if you fail to see the logic. Your challenge, not mine.
As I also stated, twice already, I used the term to make my point. I was not making fun of the people suffering from this condition.
Do you even listen to yourself when you talk. I try to view your points, yet at the same time, you constantly try to stay in the middle. Are you by any chance "Twins, Pisces, or Scales" in zodiac
. By the way, I read all her posts "JeanKimberley", and she made it clear, where she stands. In this case, I definitely will not agree with her. Nor would try to tread in the middle, as you are trying to do. Decide, and make a stand. You cannot please everyone all the time.
Winston Churchill said it best. - - If you made at least one enemy in your life. It is a good thing, it means that at least once in your life, you stood up for something.
I'm against them.JoBenet Ramsey a 6 yr old Beauty Queen who was killed in 1996 comes to mind.
Ccincy: I'm against them.JoBenet Ramsey a 6 yr old Beauty Queen who was killed in 1996 comes to mind.
They never did find her killer, did they?
I won a competition once upon a time.::
my mam sent a photo of me for a competition called miss pears,....yes that was its name,don't ask me why I don't know,
.anyway she didnt put makeup on me,and I had a dress fitting for a 5 year old little pink frock with pink peaked hat,.....that was back then,,,,,,,I don't believe in beauty competitions I think every person is beautiful in their own way,character, How can someone judge and say this one more beautiful than that one,....even the bare tree with no fruit has a beauty of its own,.the oak tree that is still standing after being savaged by storms still stands strong and beautiful in its own right...
my mam sent a photo of me for a competition called miss pears,....yes that was its name,don't ask me why I don't know, .anyway she didnt put makeup on me,and I had a dress fitting for a 5 year old little pink frock with pink peaked hat,.....that was back then,,,,,,,I don't believe in beauty competitions I think every person is beautiful in their own way,character, How can someone judge and say this one more beautiful than that one,....even the bare tree with no fruit has a beauty of its own,.the oak tree that is still standing after being savaged by storms still stands strong and beautiful in its own right...unlaoised: They never did find her killer, did they?
I don't think so.
54xmax: What does schizophrenia got to do with my thread and the point of it?
Besides, you pointed out in that thread. No need to do it here. Are you trying to nullify my arguments, that are very vigorous, and to the point? Are you trying to "rain me in" . Dear lady, although I do see the point in your comments I read on other threads too. Some I actually even agree with. You shall not placate me in any way, shape or form. Stick to the subject at hand, and stop mixing things. You saying it, that you are "not trying to hijack" my thread, does not mean you are not doing it. You argument in this case is nullified.
Oh, and if you fail to see the logic. Your challenge, not mine.
As I also stated, twice already, I used the term to make my point. I was not making fun of the people suffering from this condition.
Do you even listen to yourself when you talk. I try to view your points, yet at the same time, you constantly try to stay in the middle. Are you by any chance "Twins, Pisces, or Scales" in zodiac .
By the way, I read all her posts "JeanKimberley", and she made it clear, where she stands. In this case, I definitely will not agree with her. Nor would try to tread in the middle, as you are trying to do. Decide, and make a stand. You cannot please everyone all the time.
Winston Churchill said it best. - - If you made at least one enemy in your life. It is a good thing, it means that at least once in your life, you stood up for something.
Besides, you pointed out in that thread. No need to do it here. Are you trying to nullify my arguments, that are very vigorous, and to the point? Are you trying to "rain me in" . Dear lady, although I do see the point in your comments I read on other threads too. Some I actually even agree with. You shall not placate me in any way, shape or form. Stick to the subject at hand, and stop mixing things. You saying it, that you are "not trying to hijack" my thread, does not mean you are not doing it. You argument in this case is nullified.
Oh, and if you fail to see the logic. Your challenge, not mine.
As I also stated, twice already, I used the term to make my point. I was not making fun of the people suffering from this condition.
Do you even listen to yourself when you talk. I try to view your points, yet at the same time, you constantly try to stay in the middle. Are you by any chance "Twins, Pisces, or Scales" in zodiac .
By the way, I read all her posts "JeanKimberley", and she made it clear, where she stands. In this case, I definitely will not agree with her. Nor would try to tread in the middle, as you are trying to do. Decide, and make a stand. You cannot please everyone all the time.
Winston Churchill said it best. - - If you made at least one enemy in your life. It is a good thing, it means that at least once in your life, you stood up for something.
I'm not trying to stay in the middle, or please anyone.
I'm trying to be objective, explore things from all angles and see other people's point of view. That's not a bad thing in discussion, Max.
jac379: I'm not trying to stay in the middle, or please anyone.
I'm trying to be objective, explore things from all angles and see other people's point of view. That's not a bad thing in discussion, Max.
I'm trying to be objective, explore things from all angles and see other people's point of view. That's not a bad thing in discussion, Max.
As do I, and after I have done that with "her" points of view, I find myself completely disagreeing with them. I said as much.
I always state also, if I agree with somebody, wholly or partly. However, I don't, then I don't.
Oh and I think for children to be paraded in a beauty competition is so wrong that's my opinion,imagine a child coming home crying because their friend won and she broken hearted over her friend winning,and mammy saying to her don't worry you will be the prettiest next time,now think ill make afew changes to your hair,maybe ill put you on a diet and your little sister needs to eat more she too skinny....now run along now go get your beauty sleep ill read you the story of Snow White, and when you look in the mirror you will see you ate the prettiest one.."okay mammy thankyou I feel better now,..and I know that the teacher won't mind that I did no homework I have my beauty.",yes yes my little beauty go to sleep and dream of you being the little princess.
peachmelba: I won a competition once upon a time.:: my mam sent a photo of me for a competition called miss pears,....yes that was its name,don't ask me why I don't know, .anyway she didnt put makeup on me,and I had a dress fitting for a 5 year old little pink frock with pink peaked hat,.....that was back then,,,,,,,I don't believe in beauty competitions I think every person is beautiful in their own way,character, How can someone judge and say this one more beautiful than that one,....even the bare tree with no fruit has a beauty of its own,.the oak tree that is still standing after being savaged by storms still stands strong and beautiful in its own right...
It's called Miss Pears because it's organised by the company who make Pear's Soap and the winning photos were (are?) used for promotional purposes.
My daughter was so stunning as a baby/child I had it suggested to me she could be a child model. I was so struck by my own child's beauty (when she was born I felt sorry for the other mums that their babies weren't as beautiful and it was a shock for me to realise all mums thought the same!
) I considered it and thought it might be fun. It didn't take much further thinking to realise that she'd end up being exploited, it probably wouldn't be fun with lots of hanging around, and probably involve advertising for companies I felt had unethical practises with no choice. The point remains, as mums we can be so proud of our children we want everyone to see how bloody, bloody fantastic and marvellous they are, too. Most of us calm down after a while, though and get rational again.
Are beauty pageants just an extension of this natural exuberance and unconditional love we can have towards our children? If so, what are we attacking when we're vociferous about beauty pageants? If we really want them to stop because of the potential dangers, maybe a little understanding of the roots is in order, rather than harsh and hostile criticism of people's parenting when they plainly adore their children.
jac379: It's called Miss Pears because it's organised by the company who make Pear's Soap and the winning photos were (are?) used for promotional purposes.
My daughter was so stunning as a baby/child I had it suggested to me she could be a child model. I was so struck by my own child's beauty (when she was born I felt sorry for the other mums that their babies weren't as beautiful and it was a shock for me to realise all mums thought the same! ) I considered it and thought it might be fun. It didn't take much further thinking to realise that she'd end up being exploited, it probably wouldn't be fun with lots of hanging around, and probably involve advertising for companies I felt had unethical practises with no choice.
The point remains, as mums we can be so proud of our children we want everyone to see how bloody, bloody fantastic and marvellous they are, too. Most of us calm down after a while, though and get rational again.
Are beauty pageants just an extension of this natural exuberance and unconditional love we can have towards our children? If so, what are we attacking when we're vociferous about beauty pageants? If we really want them to stop because of the potential dangers, maybe a little understanding of the roots is in order, rather than harsh and hostile criticism of people's parenting when they plainly adore their children.
wMy daughter was so stunning as a baby/child I had it suggested to me she could be a child model. I was so struck by my own child's beauty (when she was born I felt sorry for the other mums that their babies weren't as beautiful and it was a shock for me to realise all mums thought the same! ) I considered it and thought it might be fun. It didn't take much further thinking to realise that she'd end up being exploited, it probably wouldn't be fun with lots of hanging around, and probably involve advertising for companies I felt had unethical practises with no choice.
The point remains, as mums we can be so proud of our children we want everyone to see how bloody, bloody fantastic and marvellous they are, too. Most of us calm down after a while, though and get rational again.
Are beauty pageants just an extension of this natural exuberance and unconditional love we can have towards our children? If so, what are we attacking when we're vociferous about beauty pageants? If we really want them to stop because of the potential dangers, maybe a little understanding of the roots is in order, rather than harsh and hostile criticism of people's parenting when they plainly adore their children.
Hi ah CCincy..
yes... I remember reading about it on many occasions... and they suspected close family members at some point..
It was so very sad..
but then, if you look at the way her mother dressed her.. that mother needs a good slappin....
Still tho... having said that... I don't believe a mum should lose a child... because that is heartbreaking.. totally... no matter what the cause...
I acknowledge that kids like to dress up... but that is for a wet sunday arvo having fun playing dress up with other kids... and that is all..
yes... I remember reading about it on many occasions... and they suspected close family members at some point..
It was so very sad..
but then, if you look at the way her mother dressed her.. that mother needs a good slappin....
Still tho... having said that... I don't believe a mum should lose a child... because that is heartbreaking.. totally... no matter what the cause...
I acknowledge that kids like to dress up... but that is for a wet sunday arvo having fun playing dress up with other kids... and that is all..
Ah yes jac 379". We as mothers always think our own baby and child the nicest I know I did,I still do,haha,...ah no I'm taking of these beauty child competitions where they paraded on stage, I'm not talking of photo competitions,...ah yes that was it the pear soap,..I just asked my mam about that now on phone and she said she didn't send my pic in but she was going to,I said to her why didn't you and she replied well I know my daughter is lovely I wasn't going to have someone else deciding another one be, haha.anyway my lovely cousin kelllie won a photo completion kelllie ,my aunt just had to send it in as in the pic she is looking up with her incredible large eyes with such light in them,her photo was chosen to be put up,my aunt also received a large framed photograph that hangs pride of place over her fireplace along with all the other lovely pics of her family....sadly my cousin died 4 years ago at the age of 33,her birthday coming up and that is why I'm thinking of her alot lately,but you know she always had that light and twinkle in her eyes...
Merriweather: Hi ah CCincy..
yes... I remember reading about it on many occasions... and they suspected close family members at some point..
It was so very sad..
but then, if you look at the way her mother dressed her.. that mother needs a good slappin....
Still tho... having said that... I don't believe a mum should lose a child... because that is heartbreaking.. totally... no matter what the cause...
I acknowledge that kids like to dress up... but that is for a wet sunday arvo having fun playing dress up with other kids... and that is all..
yes... I remember reading about it on many occasions... and they suspected close family members at some point..
It was so very sad..
but then, if you look at the way her mother dressed her.. that mother needs a good slappin....
Still tho... having said that... I don't believe a mum should lose a child... because that is heartbreaking.. totally... no matter what the cause...
I acknowledge that kids like to dress up... but that is for a wet sunday arvo having fun playing dress up with other kids... and that is all..
Jonbenet's mother is dead, so a bit late for the slapping.
She was dying when she entered Jonbenet into the competitions, so who knows what experiences she was trying to fit in, or what memories she was trying to create for her daughter while she had the time.
Whatever our opinions of beauty pageants, or other people's lifestyles, I'm not sure judging, or criticising other people's parenting is either acceptable, nor gets to the root of the matter.
Merriweather: Hi ah CCincy..
yes... I remember reading about it on many occasions... and they suspected close family members at some point..
It was so very sad..
but then, if you look at the way her mother dressed her.. that mother needs a good slappin....
Still tho... having said that... I don't believe a mum should lose a child... because that is heartbreaking.. totally... no matter what the cause...
I acknowledge that kids like to dress up... but that is for a wet sunday arvo having fun playing dress up with other kids... and that is all..
yes... I remember reading about it on many occasions... and they suspected close family members at some point..
It was so very sad..
but then, if you look at the way her mother dressed her.. that mother needs a good slappin....
Still tho... having said that... I don't believe a mum should lose a child... because that is heartbreaking.. totally... no matter what the cause...
I acknowledge that kids like to dress up... but that is for a wet sunday arvo having fun playing dress up with other kids... and that is all..
In regards to a mom losing a child I totally agree with you.
When I was a child I used to play dress up with my friends too.
Parents need to quit forcing their kids to do Adult things and just let them be kids.
peachmelba: Ah yes jac 379". We as mothers always think our own baby and child the nicest I know I did,I still do,haha,...ah no I'm taking of these beauty child competitions where they paraded on stage, I'm not talking of photo competitions,...ah yes that was it the pear soap,..I just asked my mam about that now on phone and she said she didn't send my pic in but she was going to,I said to her why didn't you and she replied well I know my daughter is lovely I wasn't going to have someone else deciding another one be, haha.anyway my lovely cousin kelllie won a photo completion kelllie ,my aunt just had to send it in as in the pic she is looking up with her incredible large eyes with such light in them,her photo was chosen to be put up,my aunt also received a large framed photograph that hangs pride of place over her fireplace along with all the other lovely pics of her family....sadly my cousin died 4 years ago at the age of 33,her birthday coming up and that is why I'm thinking of her alot lately,but you know she always had that light and twinkle in her eyes...
I'm so sorry to hear about your cousin...and I know of that light in a child's eyes you speak of.
jac379:
My daughter was so stunning as a baby/child I had it suggested to me she could be a child model. I was so struck by my own child's beauty (when she was born I felt sorry for the other mums that their babies weren't as beautiful and it was a shock for me to realise all mums thought the same! ) I considered it and thought it might be fun. It didn't take much further thinking to realise that she'd end up being exploited, it probably wouldn't be fun with lots of hanging around, and probably involve advertising for companies I felt had unethical practises with no choice.
The point remains, as mums we can be so proud of our children we want everyone to see how bloody, bloody fantastic and marvellous they are, too. Most of us calm down after a while, though and get rational again.
Are beauty pageants just an extension of this natural exuberance and unconditional love we can have towards our children? If so, what are we attacking when we're vociferous about beauty pageants? If we really want them to stop because of the potential dangers, maybe a little understanding of the roots is in order, rather than harsh and hostile criticism of people's parenting when they plainly adore their children.
My daughter was so stunning as a baby/child I had it suggested to me she could be a child model. I was so struck by my own child's beauty (when she was born I felt sorry for the other mums that their babies weren't as beautiful and it was a shock for me to realise all mums thought the same! ) I considered it and thought it might be fun. It didn't take much further thinking to realise that she'd end up being exploited, it probably wouldn't be fun with lots of hanging around, and probably involve advertising for companies I felt had unethical practises with no choice.
The point remains, as mums we can be so proud of our children we want everyone to see how bloody, bloody fantastic and marvellous they are, too. Most of us calm down after a while, though and get rational again.
Are beauty pageants just an extension of this natural exuberance and unconditional love we can have towards our children? If so, what are we attacking when we're vociferous about beauty pageants? If we really want them to stop because of the potential dangers, maybe a little understanding of the roots is in order, rather than harsh and hostile criticism of people's parenting when they plainly adore their children.
Hi Jac
Every mum thinks there child is good enough to be a child model.. but really... it takes a special child... a child with an abundance of patience...
My son is in advertising... and attempted to get my granddaughter to model... so... on the day of the shoot... she was tired, and grumpy... and she would not repeat the same action over and over.. so although she did get paid for her 'one time'...
she was never asked to do it again..
all she had to do was blow 'bubbles' a thing she normally has fun doing... and
just to let you all know... there is no makeup and no hair do on a shoot... all that gets photoshopped later.. oh.. and no dressing up either...
Thanks jac.
jac379: Jonbenet's mother is dead, so a bit late for the slapping.
She was dying when she entered Jonbenet into the competitions, so who knows what experiences she was trying to fit in, or what memories she was trying to create for her daughter while she had the time.
Whatever our opinions of beauty pageants, or other people's lifestyles, I'm not sure judging, or criticising other people's parenting is either acceptable, nor gets to the root of the matter.
She was dying when she entered Jonbenet into the competitions, so who knows what experiences she was trying to fit in, or what memories she was trying to create for her daughter while she had the time.
Whatever our opinions of beauty pageants, or other people's lifestyles, I'm not sure judging, or criticising other people's parenting is either acceptable, nor gets to the root of the matter.
Oh.. I had no idea she was dead/ dying..
still... I don't agree with any of that over the top makeup and dressing up stuff she got her daughter to do..
This whole story is sad...
You don't have to judge Jac... you can sit on the fence... you sometimes hop off the fence ...while we sit on it...for other topics.. that is fine..
Ccincy: I think 54 Max and everyone else are referring to little girls being exploited.
and my original point is that little girls are being exploited in a lot of other places than in beauty pageants and they are making the determination because of watching or seeing or hearing about the reality television shows.
The fashion industry has exploited little girls for years. The print magazine industry has exploited little girls for years. The makeup and beauty industry has exploited little girls for years.
Ccincy: I think 54 Max and everyone else are referring to little girls being exploited.
Exactly, for the sake of fame, money, and sickening disturbed insecurities and unfulfilled fantasies of their mothers.
54xmax: There is a reason, why there is 1 sociopath on 100 people in America, and 1 in 200 in Europe.
This is the issue, American culture is becoming more and more skewed and degrading. It had potential, and it is degenerating. This is one of the symptoms. This kind of a reality show.
This is the issue, American culture is becoming more and more skewed and degrading. It had potential, and it is degenerating. This is one of the symptoms. This kind of a reality show.
yes, yes, yes. America is evil and going to hell in a handbasket....You can look and find examples of negative and see it everywhere; and I thought the latest statistic is 1 in 25.
Merriweather: I need not say more... there you have it... Aussies say no...
and poignantly..
"Pitting children against each other "is not what we do here.. or rather... not what we want here...
and poignantly..
"Pitting children against each other "is not what we do here.. or rather... not what we want here...
BTW 54xmax...
thanks for putting our aussie views up... via the video..
and I just want to add..
we cannot afford to be doing this type of thing for another reason..
We have a country of 240 odd races and cultures.. and the idea is to break down the barriers... with our young generations...
not make it worse by pitting kids against each other...
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This just popped into my mind and I wondered if anyone had any thoughts on it:
Stay on point, and stop trying to hijack the thread. If you want to discuss this subject, open the thread and we shall do so.
( Interesting clip ).