Should I have hit him??? (76)
Hitting someone in self defense is a necessity sometimes.
Hitting a someone to get even or teach them a lesson is not the same thing. We never really know what's going on in someone else's head. Often we don't even know what's up for them physically.
Standing up for ourselves or others, is were good people
are most likely to do bad things.
Hitting a someone to get even or teach them a lesson is not the same thing. We never really know what's going on in someone else's head. Often we don't even know what's up for them physically.
Standing up for ourselves or others, is were good people
are most likely to do bad things.
Thanks to all for your comment!
I should have been clearer.
When I said to hit him was for getting free of him. I got free from him because I am strong and stronger that the elder man yet he was taller than me.
Had he been stronger and had grabbed me without my being able to free myself, no doubt I would have hit him to free myself.
Does it tell who I am?
Good.
Facts:
The elder man asked for coins.
I gave him some coins.
He was disrespectful to me.
I should have asked him for my money back!
I should have been clearer.
When I said to hit him was for getting free of him. I got free from him because I am strong and stronger that the elder man yet he was taller than me.
Had he been stronger and had grabbed me without my being able to free myself, no doubt I would have hit him to free myself.
Does it tell who I am?
Good.
Facts:
The elder man asked for coins.
I gave him some coins.
He was disrespectful to me.
I should have asked him for my money back!
lifeisadream: Thanks to all for your comment!
I should have been clearer.
When I said to hit him was for getting free of him. I got free from him because I am strong and stronger that the elder man yet he was taller than me.
Had he been stronger and had grabbed me without my being able to free myself, no doubt I would have hit him to free myself.
Does it tell who I am?
Good.Facts:
The elder man asked for coins.
I gave him some coins.
He was disrespectful to me.
I should have asked him for my money back!
I should have been clearer.
When I said to hit him was for getting free of him. I got free from him because I am strong and stronger that the elder man yet he was taller than me.
Had he been stronger and had grabbed me without my being able to free myself, no doubt I would have hit him to free myself.
Does it tell who I am?
Good.Facts:
The elder man asked for coins.
I gave him some coins.
He was disrespectful to me.
I should have asked him for my money back!
Maybe you should not have given him any money at all.
lifeisadream: Thanks to all for your comment!
I should have been clearer.
When I said to hit him was for getting free of him. I got free from him because I am strong and stronger that the elder man yet he was taller than me.
Had he been stronger and had grabbed me without my being able to free myself, no doubt I would have hit him to free myself.
Does it tell who I am?
Good.Facts:
The elder man asked for coins.
I gave him some coins.
He was disrespectful to me.
I should have asked him for my money back!
I should have been clearer.
When I said to hit him was for getting free of him. I got free from him because I am strong and stronger that the elder man yet he was taller than me.
Had he been stronger and had grabbed me without my being able to free myself, no doubt I would have hit him to free myself.
Does it tell who I am?
Good.Facts:
The elder man asked for coins.
I gave him some coins.
He was disrespectful to me.
I should have asked him for my money back!
Hiya lifeisadream,
if anyone asks me for money near a shop (not only homeless but also charities) I don't give the money going in, but have the amount of coins I want to give in my hand when I come out.lifeisadream: Thanks to all for your comment!
I should have been clearer.
When I said to hit him was for getting free of him. I got free from him because I am strong and stronger that the elder man yet he was taller than me.
Had he been stronger and had grabbed me without my being able to free myself, no doubt I would have hit him to free myself.
Does it tell who I am?
Good.Facts:
The elder man asked for coins.
I gave him some coins.
He was disrespectful to me.
I should have asked him for my money back!
I should have been clearer.
When I said to hit him was for getting free of him. I got free from him because I am strong and stronger that the elder man yet he was taller than me.
Had he been stronger and had grabbed me without my being able to free myself, no doubt I would have hit him to free myself.
Does it tell who I am?
Good.Facts:
The elder man asked for coins.
I gave him some coins.
He was disrespectful to me.
I should have asked him for my money back!
Hiya lifeisadream,
if anyone asks me for money near a shop (not only homeless but also charities) I don't give the money going in, but have the amount of coins I want to give in my hand when I come out.Ccincy: Maybe you should not have given him any money at all.
This incident will not prevent me from giving some help to some elder people on the streets. Although I am aware some of them are abused.
I do not give any money to anyone younger than me, if I can work they should to.
Elder people to me represents the end of a journey and that could be their very last day and some coins could give them their last meal or their last cigarette or their last drink.
KNenagh: Hiya lifeisadream, if anyone asks me for money near a shop (not only homeless but also charities) I don't give the money going in, but have the amount of coins I want to give in my hand when I come out.
Hi K!
I do carry a wallet and I do have a small purse for coins and one-small-bill and no, I never pull my wallet out of my bag in the streets.
In fact, when going to some dangerous places my wallet has only a couple of small bills an ID and not cards of any type.
lifeisadream: Hi K!
I do carry a wallet and I do have a small purse for coins and one-small-bill and no, I never pull my wallet out of my bag in the streets.
In fact, when going to some dangerous places my wallet has only a couple of small bills an ID and not cards of any type.
I do carry a wallet and I do have a small purse for coins and one-small-bill and no, I never pull my wallet out of my bag in the streets.
In fact, when going to some dangerous places my wallet has only a couple of small bills an ID and not cards of any type.
You need to take different precautions out in your area by the look of it. Generosity is good and I hope this incident won't keep you from giving to people in need.
Fast_Rich: Try to avoid hitting people unless you know what you are doing, and even then its best avoided as it generally only escalates the problem.
A great number of homeless people, if not most, are mentally ill. Violence is not a good way of dealing with illness or disability, would you beat some one for having cancer?
Think about giving money to a registered homeless charity instead of giving to people on the street.
A great number of homeless people, if not most, are mentally ill. Violence is not a good way of dealing with illness or disability, would you beat some one for having cancer?
Think about giving money to a registered homeless charity instead of giving to people on the street.
I tend to agree
felixis99: since you were able to free yourself without striking him I think it's best you did not...tho' you were within your right to do so, it might have escalated things.
I hope you reported him to the management of the store or local authorities AND I am very glad that you were OK!
I agree w/ raphael - sounds like a crazy ole coot ... lol
I hope you reported him to the management of the store or local authorities AND I am very glad that you were OK!
I agree w/ raphael - sounds like a crazy ole coot ... lol
Thanks Felixis for your wishing me being ok.
It happened on the street and there were two polices near by but I did not reported the “nutty” because I knew the police would have treated him bad.
Although, the police came to me and asked me if I was ok, they thought I was not Mexican, because I do carry cloth bags for my shopping and the bags have some non-Spanish words
lifeisadream: Thanks Felixis for your wishing me being ok.
It happened on the street and there were two polices near by but I did not reported the “nutty” because I knew the police would have treated him bad.
Although, the police came to me and asked me if I was ok, they thought I was not Mexican, because I do carry cloth bags for my shopping and the bags have some non-Spanish words
It happened on the street and there were two polices near by but I did not reported the “nutty” because I knew the police would have treated him bad.
Although, the police came to me and asked me if I was ok, they thought I was not Mexican, because I do carry cloth bags for my shopping and the bags have some non-Spanish words
OK I guess he probably is just a harmless nut
lolA_Non_A_Moose: Panhandling is a societal problem, and unfortunately, some panhandlers, for whatever the reason, be it belligerence, mental illness, addictions, or what have you, have taken to overt aggression in order to obtain funds.
Striking another, in most countries, is coded as an assault, though self-defense is indeed a rationale that can get charges dismissed. Had your situation escalated to the point that you thought your person was in immediate danger you could have been justified in striking your assailant - but this may have led to an immediate escalation of the situation that could have become very serious.
Would striking him make him think twice before grabbing another? I sincerely doubt it.
Striking another, in most countries, is coded as an assault, though self-defense is indeed a rationale that can get charges dismissed. Had your situation escalated to the point that you thought your person was in immediate danger you could have been justified in striking your assailant - but this may have led to an immediate escalation of the situation that could have become very serious.
Would striking him make him think twice before grabbing another? I sincerely doubt it.
Moose
Had I hit him this time it would have been in selfdefense. Good for him that I was in control and had assessed the situation correctly but I must confess that I was upset.
LadyLori: I wouldn't have hit him, but I sure would have given him a piece of my mind before I walked away.
BUT, if he grabbed me a second time, well, that would be a whole other story!
BUT, if he grabbed me a second time, well, that would be a whole other story!
I am glad it was just a minor incident Lori and I hope there is not a second time.
MADDOG69: That's very violent of you. Although, as a Latina, it should come natural to you to be as such.
Was i violent to feel upset and ready to fight because a nutty-beggar grabbed me?
lifeisadream: Should I have hit him???
I went to the local market to get some veggies and to do some errands then I did see an elder man asking for some coins. My intuition said no so I did pass him but after a few steps I did come back to give him some coins.
He did grab my arm and pulled me towards him and said “I want you” but I did free myself immediately. He was lucky I was distracted or I could have hit him with my umbrella or my hand.
Should I have hit him so next time he will think twice before grabbing anyone else.
I went to the local market to get some veggies and to do some errands then I did see an elder man asking for some coins. My intuition said no so I did pass him but after a few steps I did come back to give him some coins.
He did grab my arm and pulled me towards him and said “I want you” but I did free myself immediately. He was lucky I was distracted or I could have hit him with my umbrella or my hand.
Should I have hit him so next time he will think twice before grabbing anyone else.
tomcatwarne:
so you are pensioner murderer, who slays with an umbrella.
so you are pensioner murderer, who slays with an umbrella.
lifeisadream: This incident will not prevent me from giving some help to some elder people on the streets. Although I am aware some of them are abused.
I do not give any money to anyone younger than me, if I can work they should to.
Elder people to me represents the end of a journey and that could be their very last day and some coins could give them their last meal or their last cigarette or their last drink.
I do not give any money to anyone younger than me, if I can work they should to.
Elder people to me represents the end of a journey and that could be their very last day and some coins could give them their last meal or their last cigarette or their last drink.
I hope you didn't think I was finding fault with what you did.I've had people call me names when I refuse to give them money regardless of their ages.
One guy was holding a sign saying that he would work for food but when he was offered some work he said that wasn't what he was after so I just walked on.
Ccincy: I hope you didn't think I was finding fault with what you did.I've had people call me names when I refuse to give them money regardless of their ages.
One guy was holding a sign saying that he would work for food but when he was offered some work he said that wasn't what he was after so I just walked on.
One guy was holding a sign saying that he would work for food but when he was offered some work he said that wasn't what he was after so I just walked on.
Not at all CC
You seem to be a tough cookie so am I and that can be a good asset but if someone sees it as a bad trait, their problem.
lifeisadream: Not at all CC
You seem to be a tough cookie so am I and that can be a good asset but if someone sees it as a bad trait, their problem.
You seem to be a tough cookie so am I and that can be a good asset but if someone sees it as a bad trait, their problem.
I agree.
lifeisadream: Not at all CC
You seem to be a tough cookie so am I and that can be a good asset but if someone sees it as a bad trait, their problem.
You seem to be a tough cookie so am I and that can be a good asset but if someone sees it as a bad trait, their problem.
I also view myself as being a survivor too.
Ccincy: I also view myself as being a survivor too.
Why a survivor CC?
lifeisadream: Why a survivor CC?
Cause I overcame a few obstacles during my lifetime.That is why I've always considered myself to be a survivor.
Ccincy: Cause I overcame a few obstacles during my lifetime.That is why I've always considered myself to be a survivor.
Any obstacles you have had I am sure you have overcome them CC and it shows.
Myself, I have had a very good life and not many obstacles for me, not even my decision of ending my marriage and I am thankful for my life.
lifeisadream: Should I have hit him???
I went to the local market to get some veggies and to do some errands then I did see an elder man asking for some coins. My intuition said no so I did pass him but after a few steps I did come back to give him some coins.
He did grab my arm and pulled me towards him and said “I want you” but I did free myself immediately. He was lucky I was distracted or I could have hit him with my umbrella or my hand.
Should I have hit him so next time he will think twice before grabbing anyone else.
I also have the kind of conscience that makes me want to help, even if the person seems derelict or in some way "out of it". What, indeed, DO caring people do, when, as you described, these events happen frequently? In downtown Portland, in the entryway of a popular busy supermarket, there was a man routinely saying this spiel to passers-by: "Would you have any sort of work around your place I could do, help in the yard, or the like, for just a small amount"? Most people (who wanted to help) would simply hand him a dollar or change, etc...I lived close to the store at that time, and had an outdoor lanai that needed attention. I told him I would pay him the going rate for two or three hours of gardening and cleaning the outdoor patio and lanai. He smiled sheepishly at me, nodded "no", and continued his spiel with the next customer going in. You know, that guy was fit, etc... he had no intention of following through on his "speech". I do believe in helping, and I do believe some people really are honest in their story, but I have to admit this jaded me a bit. I offered him what he said he wanted--some work for money, but I called his game. These bad apples wreck it for the honest poor guy who wants to earn his own way.I went to the local market to get some veggies and to do some errands then I did see an elder man asking for some coins. My intuition said no so I did pass him but after a few steps I did come back to give him some coins.
He did grab my arm and pulled me towards him and said “I want you” but I did free myself immediately. He was lucky I was distracted or I could have hit him with my umbrella or my hand.
Should I have hit him so next time he will think twice before grabbing anyone else.
lifeisadream: Should I have hit him???
I went to the local market to get some veggies and to do some errands then I did see an elder man asking for some coins. My intuition said no so I did pass him but after a few steps I did come back to give him some coins.
He did grab my arm and pulled me towards him and said “I want you” but I did free myself immediately. He was lucky I was distracted or I could have hit him with my umbrella or my hand.
Should I have hit him so next time he will think twice before grabbing anyone else.
One way to look at it is you cant save the world even though the idiot could learn from a knee or something.But it is hard to tell what danger you are in when a stranger gets in your spaceI went to the local market to get some veggies and to do some errands then I did see an elder man asking for some coins. My intuition said no so I did pass him but after a few steps I did come back to give him some coins.
He did grab my arm and pulled me towards him and said “I want you” but I did free myself immediately. He was lucky I was distracted or I could have hit him with my umbrella or my hand.
Should I have hit him so next time he will think twice before grabbing anyone else.
One way to look at it is you cant save the world even though the idiot could learn from a knee or something.But it is hard to tell what danger you are in when a stranger gets in your space. Never mind more than 2.
rohaan: I also have the kind of conscience that makes me want to help, even if the person seems derelict or in some way "out of it". What, indeed, DO caring people do, when, as you described, these events happen frequently? In downtown Portland, in the entryway of a popular busy supermarket, there was a man routinely saying this spiel to passers-by: "Would you have any sort of work around your place I could do, help in the yard, or the like, for just a small amount"? Most people (who wanted to help) would simply hand him a dollar or change, etc...I lived close to the store at that time, and had an outdoor lanai that needed attention. I told him I would pay him the going rate for two or three hours of gardening and cleaning the outdoor patio and lanai. He smiled sheepishly at me, nodded "no", and continued his spiel with the next customer going in. You know, that guy was fit, etc... he had no intention of following through on his "speech". I do believe in helping, and I do believe some people really are honest in their story, but I have to admit this jaded me a bit. I offered him what he said he wanted--some work for money, but I called his game. These bad apples wreck it for the honest poor guy who wants to earn his own way.
I do the same Rohan when someone asks for work I give them one and very frequently they say no.
chatonlyman2: One way to look at it is you cant save the world even though the idiot could learn from a knee or something.But it is hard to tell what danger you are in when a stranger gets in your space
Thanks Chat
He was old so I did measure the risk in a unconsciously way yet I will be more careful.
What can be done so people like this beggar does not physical attack people again?
lifeisadream: What can be done so people like this beggar does not physical attack people again?
You may not wish to hear this but here goes anyway.
Simple solution just don't help them.
Ccincy: You may not wish to hear this but here goes anyway.Simple solution just don't help them.
You are right CC I did think about it as well but besides not helping them. Can they be helped so they get not aggressive?
A very dear friend of mine has a child with special needs and even though he is a grown up his brain is like of a child and they spend lots of money in their medicine to keep him non-violent.
lifeisadream: Should I have hit him???
I went to the local market to get some veggies and to do some errands then I did see an elder man asking for some coins. My intuition said no so I did pass him but after a few steps I did come back to give him some coins.
He did grab my arm and pulled me towards him and said “I want you” but I did free myself immediately. He was lucky I was distracted or I could have hit him with my umbrella or my hand.
Should I have hit him so next time he will think twice before grabbing anyone else.
I went to the local market to get some veggies and to do some errands then I did see an elder man asking for some coins. My intuition said no so I did pass him but after a few steps I did come back to give him some coins.
He did grab my arm and pulled me towards him and said “I want you” but I did free myself immediately. He was lucky I was distracted or I could have hit him with my umbrella or my hand.
Should I have hit him so next time he will think twice before grabbing anyone else.
always listen to your instinct!!!!!
lifeisadream: You are right CC I did think about it as well but besides not helping them. Can they be helped so they get not aggressive?
A very dear friend of mine has a child with special needs and even though he is a grown up his brain is like of a child and they spend lots of money in their medicine to keep him non-violent.
A very dear friend of mine has a child with special needs and even though he is a grown up his brain is like of a child and they spend lots of money in their medicine to keep him non-violent.
Hi life
Can they only be helped if they are mentally able able to be helped.There isn't a whole lot one can do cause some are just career beggars and will sometimes use that money to buy alcohol and drugs.I see beggars women and men alike standing along side the off and on ramps on some of our highways here in Ohio holding up signs claiming they will do work for food.But when you offer them work they turn it down.
I choose not to stop anymore.
Ccincy: Hi life Can they only be helped if they are mentally able able to be helped.There isn't a whole lot one can do cause some are just career beggars and will sometimes use that money to buy alcohol and drugs.
I see beggars women and men alike standing along side the off and on ramps on some of our highways here in Ohio holding up signs claiming they will do work for food.But when you offer them work they turn it down.
I choose not to stop anymore.
I see beggars women and men alike standing along side the off and on ramps on some of our highways here in Ohio holding up signs claiming they will do work for food.But when you offer them work they turn it down.
I choose not to stop anymore.
Something has to be done CC
I will think about it.
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I went to the local market to get some veggies and to do some errands then I did see an elder man asking for some coins. My intuition said no so I did pass him but after a few steps I did come back to give him some coins.
He did grab my arm and pulled me towards him and said “I want you” but I did free myself immediately. He was lucky I was distracted or I could have hit him with my umbrella or my hand.
Should I have hit him so next time he will think twice before grabbing anyone else.[/quot
so you are pensioner murderer, who slays with an umbrella.