Precisely why I don't do organized religion....It is about loving a chosen few...the ones who agree...otherwise they are judged and looked down upon...Somebody has to be right and somebody has to be wrong...the message was lost long ago!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus, wether you believe in him or not, put it simply enough when pointing out to his disciples that the whole point of the laws in the bible was...love.
mbcaseyNorth Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA16,449 posts
Everything in life has a negative side to it. I long ago gave up my interest in the Catholic church, but I respect others who continue to follow the faith. I believe in God and Jesus Christ...their teachings are what is important to me personally.
Alot of focus is shone on the negative aspects of religion...what about the incredible positive side? Mother Theresa is a saint of humanity, not just in Catholic circles. It is like the news today...we hear all the horribleness of mankind on display, but the good news is considered tedious.
Yes religion deserves the spotlight put on the hypocrisy and it's destructive elements. But I believe the immeasurable positive good that has been done far outweigh the negative. The stories we will never hear...the beauty of organized religion's attempts to help people in need. That deserves our attention and respect.
Hugz_n_Kissez: Precisely why I don't do organized religion....It is about loving a chosen few...the ones who agree...otherwise they are judged and looked down upon...Somebody has to be right and somebody has to be wrong...the message was lost long ago!!!!!!!!!!
alabamabebeBanks of the Warrior River, Alabama USA4,404 posts
Religion is man's way of trying to put God in terms that man can understand. It's not possible of course, the depth and breadth of God is beyond our human understanding.
Some religions do a worse job than others of trying to put God on man's terms. And man has done horrible things in his misunderstanding. Do not blame God for the mistakes of religion that is created by imperfect fallible men. God is perfect, our understanding of God is not.
Detente: People do like to complicate these things.
Jesus, wether you believe in him or not, put it simply enough when pointing out to his disciples that the whole point of the laws in the bible was...love.
It should all lead to love.
Ahhhh...no, Detente. Jesus did talk a lot about love, but his central message wasn't about love per se, but rather that we should love his father -- i.e., God. Everything - all the laws of the Bible and his own teachings - was a means toward that end.
alabamabebeBanks of the Warrior River, Alabama USA4,404 posts
Ambrose2007: Ahhhh...no, Detente. Jesus did talk a lot about love, but his central message wasn't about love per se, but rather that we should love his father -- i.e., God. Everything - all the laws of the Bible and his own teachings - was a means toward that end.
It's still the central message, for God is love. Without love for God, we can't love ourselves, our fellow man, anything. Even those who don't believe in God, if they truly love anything, have a piece of God in their hearts.
alabamabebe: It's still the central message, for God is love. Without love for God, we can't love ourselves, our fellow man, anything. Even those who don't believe in God, if they truly love anything, have a piece of God in their hearts.
I think that's a wishful bit of theological legerdemain, Bebe. God's central message - at least in the Old Testament - is all about obedience to His will. From the very beginning, it wasn't: "Hey, Adam and Eve, I love you guys, and I hope you'll love me"; rather, it was "Obey me and accept my restrictions, or prepare to receive my wrath." That message continued more or less consistently (though the Bible is anything but logically consistent) until the arrival of Jesus.
The scriptural Jesus, despite my claim above, actually didn't talk much *specifically* about love. He counsels that the number one imperative is: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." He also suggests that we should love our enemies. That's about it. I don't see a basis either there or in the Old Testament for claiming that Jesus or the Bible's main message was "Love" - excepting the command to love God.
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