wisdom and knowledge which should come first (39)
well i will go for wisdom
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I say wisdom first. If you are wise, you will seek out knowledge.
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Neither....wisdom comes from experience, knowledge from learning.
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I was in 2 minds I can definately see your view Snuggs and totally agree, I went for knowledge more on the lines of learning from an early age & wisdom as you start to get older
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Knowledge is realizing that the street is one-way, wisdom is looking both directions anyway.
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steven6611: I was in 2 minds I can definately see your view Snuggs and totally agree, I went for knowledge more on the lines of learning from an early age & wisdom as you start to get older
Anyone can still be learning at any age. Once you stop learning one becomes stagnet.......
For example, I watched a National Geographic program last night on World's Mysteries. I learned much from that show. It is now filed in my mind as knowledge.
Two weeks ago I was sailing along with the humpbacks whales on their migration back to Alaska from Baja, Mexico. I was wise enough not to get in the water with them so they don't crush me. That is wisdom from my knowledge of knowing they can do so.
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Good point SV , it is so true I am still learning & I do understand how you have described wisdom.
That would have been wonderful with the humpback whales, we have southern right whales here in the sea near my house for their breeding season.
That would have been wonderful with the humpback whales, we have southern right whales here in the sea near my house for their breeding season.
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You can't find wisdom from a blank brain, or not having any experience.
If vixen hadn't been told about, or read about, or seen for herself, the size of the whales and what their size can do to humans, or about the fragility of humans in comparison, she might not have been very wise, and just jumped in there for the sheer exhiliaration of swimming with them.
If people didn't read books, or didn't gain expeience of living, then wisdom wouldn't be there.
Wisdom is an ammalgamation of, and making sense of, and putting to some use of, the knowledge you have accumulated.
We are not born with wisdom. Babies don't know not to stay out of harm's way. Adults only gain wisdom after they have knowledge, and the more knowledge, the more chance at a deeper wisdom.
Therefore, knowledge has to come first, then wisdom follows, if we are lucky, and work hard enough at it to gain some.
If vixen hadn't been told about, or read about, or seen for herself, the size of the whales and what their size can do to humans, or about the fragility of humans in comparison, she might not have been very wise, and just jumped in there for the sheer exhiliaration of swimming with them.
If people didn't read books, or didn't gain expeience of living, then wisdom wouldn't be there.
Wisdom is an ammalgamation of, and making sense of, and putting to some use of, the knowledge you have accumulated.
We are not born with wisdom. Babies don't know not to stay out of harm's way. Adults only gain wisdom after they have knowledge, and the more knowledge, the more chance at a deeper wisdom.
Therefore, knowledge has to come first, then wisdom follows, if we are lucky, and work hard enough at it to gain some.
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Another example is when you tell a child not to eat a piping hot pizza slice, let it cool down so it does not burn the roof of your mouth. Of course the child eats it piping hot anyway. Now he, or she, has learned (knowledge) not to do it again..........
I still eat slices of piping hot pizza, but I do have the wisdom knowing it is going to burn the roof of my mouth. I guess I still haven't learned............confused yet?
I still eat slices of piping hot pizza, but I do have the wisdom knowing it is going to burn the roof of my mouth. I guess I still haven't learned............confused yet?
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SensualVixen: Another example is when you tell a child not to eat a piping hot pizza slice, let it cool down so it does not burn the roof of your mouth. Of course the child eats it piping hot anyway. Now he, or she, has learned (knowledge) not to do it again..........I still eat slices of piping hot pizza, but I do have the wisdom knowing it is going to burn the roof of my mouth. I guess I still haven't learned............confused yet?
Yes but is it not wisdom that actually gets you to memorise knowledge as it could be useful for the future? Therefore wisdom comes before knowledge.
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Three long island long tea comes first; then I have wisdom and produce miles of knowledge to everyone who is around me.
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shertour: well i wana know how people value this two ethics,because some say that without wisdom knowledge is useless and others say knowledge is the best.but the ancient greek said that knowledge without wisdom is a threat to a nation.is this true,,,,,,
Good Morning,
You know, this seems simple, that wisdom guides actions and is therefore, paramount. I do think one has to have a modicum of knowledge to acquire wisdom. As a child and young woman I used to pray and ask God and the universe for wisdom. Since then I have had some tough experiences and still don't have much wisdom. I still am seeking wisdom, come what may. If one is to contribute, what better than love tempered with wisdom.
It's early though lol
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rizlared: Yes but is it not wisdom that actually gets you to memorise knowledge as it could be useful for the future? Therefore wisdom comes before knowledge.
Our brains are genetically wired with short and long term memory, having nothing to do with wisdom. It is a predisposition of our genetics.
Wisdom is a ongoing assessment process, using all the things we have learned.
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rizlared: Yes but is it not wisdom that actually gets you to memorise knowledge as it could be useful for the future? Therefore wisdom comes before knowledge.
Not necessarily, you have to know first you are learning something and then realize you have the wisdom to remember what you learned.
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gingerb: Our brains are genetically wired with short and long term memory, having nothing to do with wisdom. It is a predisposition of our genetics.
Wisdom is a ongoing assessment process, using all the things we have learned.
Wisdom is a ongoing assessment process, using all the things we have learned.
As a predisposition of genetics we inherit wisdom from our parents, you don't inherit knowledge, but by inheriting wisdom we make use of that to take advantage of knowledge.
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SensualVixen: Not necessarily, you have to know first you are learning something and then realize you have the wisdom to remember what you learned.
Precisely, so our built in wisdom allows us to recognise that we need to learn and use that new knowledge.
So those with little wisdom do not learn as efficiently or use their knowledge for their benefit.
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rizlared: Precisely, so our built in wisdom allows us to recognise that we need to learn and use that new knowledge.
So those with little wisdom do not learn as efficiently or use their knowledge for their benefit.
So those with little wisdom do not learn as efficiently or use their knowledge for their benefit.
I am not disputing that. I am just following the original OP of which comes first.
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SensualVixen: I am not disputing that. I am just following the original OP of which comes first.
That’s okay, I was just reconfirming that wisdom must come first as we are born with a modicum of wisdom but no knowledge.
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rizlared: That’s okay, I was just reconfirming that wisdom must come first as we are born with a modicum of wisdom but no knowledge.
and I disagree......as I said either which is a tie which to me is neither....
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rizlared: As a predisposition of genetics we inherit wisdom from our parents, you don't inherit knowledge, but by inheriting wisdom we make use of that to take advantage of knowledge.
I never said that we are predisposed to having knowledge.
Just wonder where you get the notion that we are genetically wired with wisdom?
Would like to see examples of how that works........
If wisdom is the process of eliciting "meaning" from what we already know, then how can it be inherent?
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gingerb: I never said that we are predisposed to having knowledge.
Just wonder where you get the notion that we are genetically wired with wisdom?
Would like to see examples of how that works........
If wisdom is the process of eliciting "meaning" from what we already know, then how can it be inherent?
Just wonder where you get the notion that we are genetically wired with wisdom?
Would like to see examples of how that works........
If wisdom is the process of eliciting "meaning" from what we already know, then how can it be inherent?
I don't believe we inherit wisdom either.
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Knowledge is book-learning. We acquire knowledge as children. Wisdom is only gained through experience.
The true test is to acquire wisdom with our knowledge without that knowledge becoming toxic.
"Any scientist can tell you the number of seeds in an apple, but only God knows how many apples are in a seed." - Anonymous
The true test is to acquire wisdom with our knowledge without that knowledge becoming toxic.
"Any scientist can tell you the number of seeds in an apple, but only God knows how many apples are in a seed." - Anonymous
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rizlared: As a predisposition of genetics we inherit wisdom from our parents, you don't inherit knowledge, but by inheriting wisdom we make use of that to take advantage of knowledge.
This is the definition for Wisdom.....
1.Deep, thorough, or mature understanding: insight, profundity, sagaciousness, sagacity, sageness, sapience. See wise/foolish.
That would surely suggest that there would need to be some kind of knowledge there to have an understanding of, such as something we had already learned or seen or experienced....
2.The ability to make sensible decisions: common sense, judgment, sense. Informal gumption, horse sense. See ability/inability.
Now if we are to make judgements, we have to be making them about things already seen or experienced or learned, and therefore have some knowledge about......
3.That which is known; the sum of what has been perceived, discovered, or inferred:
In other words knowledge that we have gathered previously......
Surely this makes my point?
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Galactic_bodhi: Knowledge is book-learning. We acquire knowledge as children. Wisdom is only gained through experience.
The true test is to acquire wisdom with our knowledge without that knowledge becoming toxic.
"Any scientist can tell you the number of seeds in an apple, but only God knows how many apples are in a seed." - Anonymous
The true test is to acquire wisdom with our knowledge without that knowledge becoming toxic.
"Any scientist can tell you the number of seeds in an apple, but only God knows how many apples are in a seed." - Anonymous
Knowledge is not always through books, and not all learned as a child. I gave an example in an earlier post.
When I was a child my mother told me not to touch the stove burner since it was hot. I touched it, as most children do, and she was right. It was hot! I then learned not to touch a hot burner again, and I certainly didn't learn it from a book, plus it was a good learning experience.
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SensualVixen: Neither....wisdom comes from experience, knowledge from learning.
I agree with this. Wisdom then, also, comes after one has learned.
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SensualVixen: Knowledge is not always through books, and not all learned as a child. I gave an example in an earlier post.
When I was a child my mother told me not to touch the stove burner since it was hot. I touched it, as most children do, and she was right. It was hot! I then learned not to touch a hot burner again, and I certainly didn't learn it from a book, plus it was a good learning experience.
When I was a child my mother told me not to touch the stove burner since it was hot. I touched it, as most children do, and she was right. It was hot! I then learned not to touch a hot burner again, and I certainly didn't learn it from a book, plus it was a good learning experience.
Knowledge is acquired theory, however it is gained. Wisdom is practical experience of theory. This is what I meant by my post. I shall leave you all to debate in a vacuum about the quibbling details.
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Knowing one has to crap is knowledge.
Knowing one had best head for the bathroom is wisdom..
Now that wisdom may and may not come from past experiences..
Knowing one had best head for the bathroom is wisdom..
Now that wisdom may and may not come from past experiences..
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gingerb: This is the definition for Wisdom.....
1.Deep, thorough, or mature understanding: insight, profundity, sagaciousness, sagacity, sageness, sapience. See wise/foolish.
That would surely suggest that there would need to be some kind of knowledge there to have an understanding of, such as something we had already learned or seen or experienced....
2.The ability to make sensible decisions: common sense, judgment, sense. Informal gumption, horse sense. See ability/inability.
Now if we are to make judgements, we have to be making them about things already seen or experienced or learned, and therefore have some knowledge about......
3.That which is known; the sum of what has been perceived, discovered, or inferred:
In other words knowledge that we have gathered previously......Surely this makes my point?
1.Deep, thorough, or mature understanding: insight, profundity, sagaciousness, sagacity, sageness, sapience. See wise/foolish.
That would surely suggest that there would need to be some kind of knowledge there to have an understanding of, such as something we had already learned or seen or experienced....
2.The ability to make sensible decisions: common sense, judgment, sense. Informal gumption, horse sense. See ability/inability.
Now if we are to make judgements, we have to be making them about things already seen or experienced or learned, and therefore have some knowledge about......
3.That which is known; the sum of what has been perceived, discovered, or inferred:
In other words knowledge that we have gathered previously......Surely this makes my point?
That we are born with a degree of common sense is I would have thought factual, from my view, we also inherit a degree of both our genetic parents’ intelligence, therefore, we have some form of conscious wisdom from day one, of course that wisdom grows with experiences as does our knowledge base, but without wisdom we would still be living as cave men, sure we may learn that fire burns, but without wisdom would have forgotten how to create it
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rizlared: That we are born with a degree of common sense is I would have thought factual, from my view, we also inherit a degree of both our genetic parents’ intelligence, therefore, we have some form of conscious wisdom from day one, of course that wisdom grows with experiences as does our knowledge base, but without wisdom we would still be living as cave men, sure we may learn that fire burns, but without wisdom would have forgotten how to create it
After reading some forums, after getting to know some of the people I know, what happened to it??
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