Should Guns be allowed in the UK? (152)
USThumperMexico, New York USA4 Threads 3,957 PostsIf everybody had a weapon, the world would be a more polite place.
USThumper: If everybody had a weapon, the world would be a more polite place.
Can't say I understand that logic.
USThumper: If everybody had a weapon, the world would be a more polite place.
Well it would certainly end up being less populated.
USThumper: If everybody had a weapon, the world would be a more polite place.
Ummm...how?
scousedon: Can't say I understand that logic.
Would you stand there calling an armed man nasty names and insulting him, or her? Am i reading this wiki page wrong, it seems to say
If everyone had guns a lot more people would shoot themselves
it seems to say you lovely americans are twice more likely to shoot urselves rather than those pesky criminals.
Am i reading it incorrectly?
but anyways.. i'd hate to live in a society where everyone had the ability to kill everyone at the press of of a button, and everyone felt it necessary to possess a machine specifically designed for that very purpose
If everyone had guns a lot more people would shoot themselves
it seems to say you lovely americans are twice more likely to shoot urselves rather than those pesky criminals.
Am i reading it incorrectly?
but anyways.. i'd hate to live in a society where everyone had the ability to kill everyone at the press of of a button, and everyone felt it necessary to possess a machine specifically designed for that very purpose
USThumper: Would you stand there calling an armed man nasty names and insulting him, or her?
You're right.
If I had a gun and someone called me nasty names,
I would definitely shoot them.
ticklish: Am i reading this wiki page wrong, it seems to say
If everyone had guns a lot more people would shoot themselves
it seems to say you lovely americans are twice more likely to shoot urselves rather than those pesky criminals.
Am i reading it incorrectly?
but anyways.. i'd hate to live in a society where everyone had the ability to kill everyone at the press of of a button, and everyone felt it necessary to possess a machine specifically designed for that very purpose
If everyone had guns a lot more people would shoot themselves
it seems to say you lovely americans are twice more likely to shoot urselves rather than those pesky criminals.
Am i reading it incorrectly?
but anyways.. i'd hate to live in a society where everyone had the ability to kill everyone at the press of of a button, and everyone felt it necessary to possess a machine specifically designed for that very purpose
lonelycowboy101: Is this true that people there would shoot dogs birds and cats In this country if you shoot a domestic animal it is a felony punishable by two years in prison even birds are protected . I don't know anyone that would shoot Sparrows and in most countries to take someone out and shoot them is premeditated murder punishable by life in prison or the death penalty .Civilized countries have civilized laws to regulate guns and what can be shot .
Rules and laws are not something the Italians take much notice of.... unless of course you upset one, then they will quote the relavent law at you.
As I said I have seen sparrows in a hunters pouch. I have had hunters shooting 12 bore shotguns, 50 yards from my house, towards my house, raining shot down on my children playing in the garden..... when I challenged the guy, all he could say was that I wasn't born in HIS country and I had no right to complain that he nearly killed my children.... Guess what I said !
This is a civilised country.... they are quite adept a being civil when ignoring laws that don't suit them !
USThumper: Would you stand there calling an armed man nasty names and insulting him, or her?
Yep.... did just that.... read my post of a few lines ago..... nearly wrapped the gun around his head too. !
USThumper: Would you stand there calling an armed man nasty names and insulting him, or her?
No I would not, nor would I stand there if he had a knife or even fists like shovels. I certainly would not call a man nasty names if it was a her.
ticklish: Am i reading this wiki page wrong, it seems to say
If everyone had guns a lot more people would shoot themselves
it seems to say you lovely americans are twice more likely to shoot urselves rather than those pesky criminals.
Am i reading it incorrectly?
but anyways.. i'd hate to live in a society where everyone had the ability to kill everyone at the press of of a button, and everyone felt it necessary to possess a machine specifically designed for that very purpose
If everyone had guns a lot more people would shoot themselves
it seems to say you lovely americans are twice more likely to shoot urselves rather than those pesky criminals.
Am i reading it incorrectly?
but anyways.. i'd hate to live in a society where everyone had the ability to kill everyone at the press of of a button, and everyone felt it necessary to possess a machine specifically designed for that very purpose
Thanks for them statistics, shows USA had 30 times more gun deaths the GB.
Well those figures tell me we are better off as we are thanks very much.
Englishman55: Yep.... did just that.... read my post of a few lines ago..... nearly wrapped the gun around his head too. !
In that situation I would of thought seriously about impaling him on his shotgun.USThumper: In that situation I would of thought seriously about impaling him on his shotgun.
He scurried off before I had the chance !
ticklish: Am i reading this wiki page wrong, it seems to say
If everyone had guns a lot more people would shoot themselves
it seems to say you lovely americans are twice more likely to shoot urselves rather than those pesky criminals.
Am i reading it incorrectly?
but anyways.. i'd hate to live in a society where everyone had the ability to kill everyone at the press of of a button, and everyone felt it necessary to possess a machine specifically designed for that very purpose
If everyone had guns a lot more people would shoot themselves
it seems to say you lovely americans are twice more likely to shoot urselves rather than those pesky criminals.
Am i reading it incorrectly?
but anyways.. i'd hate to live in a society where everyone had the ability to kill everyone at the press of of a button, and everyone felt it necessary to possess a machine specifically designed for that very purpose
Seems like the Finnish like to finish themselves off at an alarming rate.
Englishman55: Rules and laws are not something the Italians take much notice of.... unless of course you upset one, then they will quote the relavent law at you.
As I said I have seen sparrows in a hunters pouch. I have had hunters shooting 12 bore shotguns, 50 yards from my house, towards my house, raining shot down on my children playing in the garden..... when I challenged the guy, all he could say was that I wasn't born in HIS country and I had no right to complain that he nearly killed my children.... Guess what I said !
This is a civilised country.... they are quite adept a being civil when ignoring laws that don't suit them !
As I said I have seen sparrows in a hunters pouch. I have had hunters shooting 12 bore shotguns, 50 yards from my house, towards my house, raining shot down on my children playing in the garden..... when I challenged the guy, all he could say was that I wasn't born in HIS country and I had no right to complain that he nearly killed my children.... Guess what I said !
This is a civilised country.... they are quite adept a being civil when ignoring laws that don't suit them !
So it would seem, though I know you live there. They must like to quote the relevant laws often then, because, while on the surface it appears as you say, Italy is in fact, very highly regulated. My relatives keep me informed and I certainly experienced it directly, when conducting any kind of business there.
Unless of-course, you happen to be charged with alleged murder like that young man currently on trial, and the judge takes it upon herself to dismiss evidence at her leisure! And the media having a field day conducting their own trial on screen, interviewing key witnesses on shows akin to the Daid Letterman show. But then, he is not Italian.
So sorry to hear about the incident with the hunter so close to your home. How frightening. Such behaviour isn't normal practice for the everyday Italian, though you must know that, or you would not choose to live there.
scousedon: Thanks for them statistics, shows USA had 30 times more gun deaths the GB.
Well those figures tell me we are better off as we are thanks very much.
Considering the US at 300+ million people is roughly 5 times the amount of Great Britain at 60+ million. Do the math to equate those figures per a balanced populace and you'll find a much lower statistics than your "30 times more gun deaths" figure.Well those figures tell me we are better off as we are thanks very much.
At any rate, more people = more crimes while less people = less crimes.
YouMeUs: Considering the US at 300+ million people is roughly 5 times the amount of Great Britain at 60+ million. Do the math to equate those figures per a balanced populace and you'll find a much lower statistics than your "30 times more gun deaths" figure.
At any rate, more people = more crimes while less people = less crimes.
At any rate, more people = more crimes while less people = less crimes.
Its a death 'rate'
Those figures are calculated in.
YouMeUs: Considering the US at 300+ million people is roughly 5 times the amount of Great Britain at 60+ million. Do the math to equate those figures per a balanced populace and you'll find a much lower statistics than your "30 times more gun deaths" figure.
At any rate, more people = more crimes while less people = less crimes.
At any rate, more people = more crimes while less people = less crimes.
Oh Oh Oh, go back to the link and you will see that the figures are based on per 100,000 of population. I did not jump in without reading properly the stats.
venere08: So it would seem, though I know you live there. They must like to quote the relevant laws often then, because, while on the surface it appears as you say, Italy is in fact, very highly regulated. My relatives keep me informed and I certainly experienced it directly, when conducting any kind of business there.
Unless of-course, you happen to be charged with alleged murder like that young man currently on trial, and the judge takes it upon herself to dismiss evidence at her leisure! And the media having a field day conducting their own trial on screen, interviewing key witnesses on shows akin to the Daid Letterman show. But then, he is not Italian.
So sorry to hear about the incident with the hunter so close to your home. How frightening. Such behaviour isn't normal practice for the everyday Italian, though you must know that, or you would not choose to live there.
Unless of-course, you happen to be charged with alleged murder like that young man currently on trial, and the judge takes it upon herself to dismiss evidence at her leisure! And the media having a field day conducting their own trial on screen, interviewing key witnesses on shows akin to the Daid Letterman show. But then, he is not Italian.
So sorry to hear about the incident with the hunter so close to your home. How frightening. Such behaviour isn't normal practice for the everyday Italian, though you must know that, or you would not choose to live there.
There are many facets to the Italian culture, as I am sure you have experienced yourself.
It would take a foreigner many years to know them all, and still be suprised at some of the things that arise.
The cities are a different entity, very much in line with most big cities, but explore the countryside and you will se something very different.
I am not knocking the culture, just saying the way it is.... and I love it's intricacies..... thats why I live here, amongst other things.... the food, the wine, the lifestyle.
Sorry to hijack this thread, so will say no more
No, it is more interesting than people messing up their statistics
Englishman55: There are many facets to the Italian culture, as I am sure you have experienced yourself.
It would take a foreigner many years to know them all, and still be suprised at some of the things that arise.
It would take a foreigner many years to know them all, and still be suprised at some of the things that arise.
I have a book written by a foreign journalist who lived in Italy for a substantial time. It was quite an eye opener for me. Must find it and post you the title.
venere08: I have a book written by a foreign journalist who lived in Italy for a substantial time. It was quite an eye opener for me. Must find it and post you the title.
McCarthy's Bar by Pete McCarthy ?
Many a book has been written.... many a book has been read.... no substitute for real life experieince... never let it be said !
Englishman55: McCarthy's Bar by Pete McCarthy ?
Many a book has been written.... many a book has been read.... no substitute for real life experieince... never let it be said !
Many a book has been written.... many a book has been read.... no substitute for real life experieince... never let it be said !
No argument there.
And nope. Not that one.
scousedon: 1812, Britain was at war with France and Spain and saw USA as a trivial war so in the name of British Empire got the Canadians to sort it out. The Canadians got no resistence in New England and USA the Britain deployed a few ships but had bigger fish to fry in Europe. USA declared war on Britain but Britain took no notice and let the colonies deal with the squabble over trade embargo....that war ???
YOUNG Man ,
have you ever Heard of NEW Orleans ? a Place called
Chalmette ? there was a BUNCH of British soldiers that DIED there ! Maybe they dont Teach History in the UK ?
scousedon: But alas that is closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, guns are in your culture, in your constitution, I have no problems with that but the question was about Britain being allowed guns. And I say no, it serves no purpose at all in my opinion.
IN YOUR opinion ?
Based on what experience ? YOU are still wet behind the EARS !
that's like me trying to do BRAIN surgery !
scousedon: Oh Oh Oh, go back to the link and you will see that the figures are based on per 100,000 of population. I did not jump in without reading properly the stats.
Thank you for pointing that out. I just now saw it up at the top away from the stats. But take notice of the dates of the sources as well as who provided them.
U.S. 2004/1994 - Kaiser Family Foundation / statehealthfacts.org "Deaths Due to Injury by Firearms per 100,000 Population". StateHealthFacts.org. 2008-04-08.
(Kaiser/Krug)EG Krug, KE Powell and LL Dahlberg. "Firearm-related deaths in the United States and 35 other high- and upper-middle-income countries.". International Journal of Epidemiology 1998:27:214-221.
G.B. 2002 - Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.
I find it interesting that the majority of "developed" countries reports are listed in the early 1990's while the US and GB are in the early 2000's.
Also found this on the website that presented a lot of the data;
UNODC has confined itself to reproducing the figures as received on the questionnaire forms.
The statistics cannot take into account the differences that exist between the legal definitions of offences in various countries, of the different methods of tallying, etc. Consequently, the figures used in these statistics must be interpreted with great caution. In particular, to use the figures as a basis for comparison between different countries is highly problematic.
YouMeUs: Thank you for pointing that out. I just now saw it up at the top away from the stats.
But take notice of the dates of the sources as well as who provided them.
U.S. 2004/1994 - Kaiser Family Foundation / statehealthfacts.org "Deaths Due to Injury by Firearms per 100,000 Population". StateHealthFacts.org. 2008-04-08.
(Kaiser/Krug)EG Krug, KE Powell and LL Dahlberg. "Firearm-related deaths in the United States and 35 other high- and upper-middle-income countries.". International Journal of Epidemiology 1998:27:214-221. G.B. 2002 - Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.I find it interesting that the majority of "developed" countries reports are listed in the early 1990's while the US and GB are in the early 2000's.
Also found this on the website that presented a lot of the data;
UNODC has confined itself to reproducing the figures as received on the questionnaire forms.
The statistics cannot take into account the differences that exist between the legal definitions of offences in various countries, of the different methods of tallying, etc. Consequently, the figures used in these statistics must be interpreted with great caution. In particular, to use the figures as a basis for comparison between different countries is highly problematic.
But take notice of the dates of the sources as well as who provided them.
U.S. 2004/1994 - Kaiser Family Foundation / statehealthfacts.org "Deaths Due to Injury by Firearms per 100,000 Population". StateHealthFacts.org. 2008-04-08.
(Kaiser/Krug)EG Krug, KE Powell and LL Dahlberg. "Firearm-related deaths in the United States and 35 other high- and upper-middle-income countries.". International Journal of Epidemiology 1998:27:214-221. G.B. 2002 - Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.I find it interesting that the majority of "developed" countries reports are listed in the early 1990's while the US and GB are in the early 2000's.
Also found this on the website that presented a lot of the data;
UNODC has confined itself to reproducing the figures as received on the questionnaire forms.
The statistics cannot take into account the differences that exist between the legal definitions of offences in various countries, of the different methods of tallying, etc. Consequently, the figures used in these statistics must be interpreted with great caution. In particular, to use the figures as a basis for comparison between different countries is highly problematic.
Hang on a minute you wanted to hang me out to dry before when you thought I had messed up the statistics. Now you decide to move the goal posts, well I aint buying it. No good crying foul now, we both came in and accepted statistics on face value before until two of us corrected you now you play with semantics to get your point over, come on play fair dont move the goal posts.
venere08: No argument there.
And nope. Not that one.
And nope. Not that one.
Perry's bar.... hasn't been written yet, but has some wonderful chapters in it !
scousedon: Hang on a minute you wanted to hang me out to dry before when you thought I had messed up the statistics. Now you decide to move the goal posts, well I aint buying it. No good crying foul now, we both came in and accepted statistics on face value before until two of us corrected you now you play with semantics to get your point over, come on play fair dont move the goal posts.
I humbly accepted my blunder. Are you willing to accept facts or do you prefer continuing to evade them? No goal posts were ever moved, just dug a little deeper into the playbooks.
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