Does Isreal truly want peace. (31)
the Isreal government are nothing more then evil. they claim to be in gods land. but don't mind killing children.
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Here we go again. Same old forum but just under a different title. Bah humbug!
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Thou shalt not steal
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thou shall not bear false witness. like Israel.
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Is it not a paradox that the same people that have suffered
such collective punishment as the Israeli's now have exacted
that same measure on the Palistinians?
When will they ever learn,...
such collective punishment as the Israeli's now have exacted
that same measure on the Palistinians?
When will they ever learn,...
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SilverBirch: Is it not a paradox that the same people that have suffered
such collective punishment as the Israeli's now have exacted
that same measure on the Palistinians?
When will they ever learn,...
such collective punishment as the Israeli's now have exacted
that same measure on the Palistinians?
When will they ever learn,...
Quit being so negative.
I've just been to Israel.
I met Jewish Israelis.
I met arab Israelis.
I met Druz Israelis.
Most want peace; the problem is that the ultra orthodox Jews hold the balance of power and all the main political parties can only gain power by forming a coalition with the fundamentalist Jews (who incidentally do NOT fight in the Israeli Army but are happy to stone policemen in Jerusalem for the state daring to open a car park for tourists on the Sabbath).
MOST Jews are not religious - they are proud of their culture but most do things like eat pork and drive on the Sabbath and are only slightly more religious than your average Christian who hardly ever bothers to go to church.
Things are changing. Jewish Israelis are beginning to marry arab Israelis and the younger generation are beginning to rebel at the thought of having to do two years military service for women or three years military service for men.
People are people. People want to live in hope and security. Jewish Israelis want peace. Arab Israelis want peace. The Druz want peace. Most Palestinians want peace.
Extremists all over the world HATE peace. The fundamentalist ultra orthodox Jews and power hungry evil suicide bomb encouraging fundamentalist mullahs are of the same ilk.
Quit knocking Israelis in general or Palestinians in general either - just knock the minority who hate the concept of peace and use their minority power to influence things to make peace almost impossible.
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LILLYLADY: Here we go again. Same old forum but just under a different title. Bah humbug!
Well, Scrooge, all you gotta do is convince your tribe to stop massacring innocents, abandon all the occupied territories, (including Jerusalem) and pay reparitions for all the damages they have done over the decades, and maybe people will stop posting the same old forum about the same old atrocities.
I won't hold my breath.
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RayfromUSA: Well, Scrooge, all you gotta do is convince your tribe to stop massacring innocents, abandon all the occupied territories, (including Jerusalem) and pay reparitions for all the damages they have done over the decades, and maybe people will stop posting the same old forum about the same old atrocities.
I won't hold my breath.
I won't hold my breath.
Don't hold your breath!
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Gentlemen, well done. Flowers gone to young girls, Young girls
to young men, young men to soldiers, Soldiers to graveyards, Graveyards gone to flowers,..
We hold the key to love and Fear, all in our Trembling hands,..
That key is Logic, powered by Truth,
There will come a time when the concept of Nation will be moot.
One Sovereign.
Peace is attainable, even in Israel.
Tell me how. Is it not through forums like this!
to young men, young men to soldiers, Soldiers to graveyards, Graveyards gone to flowers,..
We hold the key to love and Fear, all in our Trembling hands,..
That key is Logic, powered by Truth,
There will come a time when the concept of Nation will be moot.
One Sovereign.
Peace is attainable, even in Israel.
Tell me how. Is it not through forums like this!
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LILLYLADY: Here we go again. Same old forum but just under a different title. Bah humbug!
I know we've been here before Lilly but it isnt "bah humbug" for the people who have been corralled into corners of a land which they once freely inhabited.
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SilverBirch: Gentlemen, well done. Flowers gone to young girls, Young girls
to young men, young men to soldiers, Soldiers to graveyards, Graveyards gone to flowers,..
We hold the key to love and Fear, all in our Trembling hands,..
That key is Logic, powered by Truth,
There will come a time when the concept of Nation will be moot.
One Sovereign.
Peace is attainable, even in Israel.
Tell me how. Is it not through forums like this!
to young men, young men to soldiers, Soldiers to graveyards, Graveyards gone to flowers,..
We hold the key to love and Fear, all in our Trembling hands,..
That key is Logic, powered by Truth,
There will come a time when the concept of Nation will be moot.
One Sovereign.
Peace is attainable, even in Israel.
Tell me how. Is it not through forums like this!
I couldnt agree more and I think that time will be all the quicker when the politicians are held more accountable to the people.
I think forums such as this are moving public awareness at an unprecedented rate - this is why in places such as Iran and China, freedom of speech is very much hampered by government controls on the internet and we need to be guarded it doesnt happen to us.
We already have a corrupt media who work in the interests of corporate bodies and this is one means of recourse to truth.....
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SilverBirch: Isreal approved 24 more construction permits in East Jeruselem.
Land that is viewed as occupied territory by the international
community. The United States, Isreals primary benefactor, has
demanded all settlement building stopped. Yet these permits are
still approved. When will they ever learn.
Land that is viewed as occupied territory by the international
community. The United States, Isreals primary benefactor, has
demanded all settlement building stopped. Yet these permits are
still approved. When will they ever learn.
Does Israel Truly Want Peace ?
Ultimately I believe so..........but on their terms.
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Well, Scrooge, all you gotta do is convince your tribe to stop massacring innocents, abandon all the occupied territories, (including Jerusalem) and pay reparitions for all the damages they have done over the decades, and maybe people will stop posting the same old forum about the same old atrocities.
I won't hold my breath.[/quote
Bul@%@t, same old hate mongering lines as usual from you Ray. You couldn't hold your breath if you tried to anyway.
Gee, Christmas has just passed. Quit being such a Scrooge.
I won't hold my breath.[/quote
Bul@%@t, same old hate mongering lines as usual from you Ray. You couldn't hold your breath if you tried to anyway.
Gee, Christmas has just passed. Quit being such a Scrooge.
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Bravo. Forums and peaceful demonstration. Economic boycott.
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I think ... that they do want peace... but as long as they get what they want, no questions asked, no negotiations entered into, and everyone should do whatever they're told, whenever commanded to do so, and these rules/instructions can change at any given time, no warning, and just do it and be quiet. Then everything will be fine. (Oh yes.. and you should have no right to be angry for having your people killed for so long, and you shouldn't be angry that the world doesn't see any of this.. and gets a warped view of who you are.
Of COURSE they want peace - who doesn't, after all???
Here's to Peace.. and no more bullying, stealing what's not yours, no more war crimes, no more murder/genocide. No more bloodshed ofr oil, territory or any other reason. Leave people alone to live their lives in peace.
Easier said than done.
Of COURSE they want peace - who doesn't, after all???
Here's to Peace.. and no more bullying, stealing what's not yours, no more war crimes, no more murder/genocide. No more bloodshed ofr oil, territory or any other reason. Leave people alone to live their lives in peace.
Easier said than done.
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Speak globally, act locally.
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Good morning Trish,
Hope you are nice and warm and toasty over there. Lots of snow here and much more and cold on the way.
As for these type forums, they are repititious under a different title everytime. They are hate mongering forums. It becomes a Jew bashing forum. They become as repititious and anger provoking as the God and Bible forums that become offensive to atheists. People start bashing atheists because they don't believe in God and the OP would insist that as a God believer.... their way is the only way.
Personally, I also find it offensive that people insist that their religious viewpoint is the only right way. You will see that with hate mongers. Don't be surprised if you find that some of the CSers who post to this forum will deliberately write things from radical websites that are not even credible to insist their way is right. And it becomes more hate mongering and bickering and most likely will get the forum locked. But by the end of this forum, Israel like any country will still be there and the government will do as they want. And the forum members will have fought a battle.
So I'm going to politely exit out and not get involved and waste my time with this forum. It's just the SAME OLD, SAME OLD STUFF with a different name.
Hope you are nice and warm and toasty over there. Lots of snow here and much more and cold on the way.
As for these type forums, they are repititious under a different title everytime. They are hate mongering forums. It becomes a Jew bashing forum. They become as repititious and anger provoking as the God and Bible forums that become offensive to atheists. People start bashing atheists because they don't believe in God and the OP would insist that as a God believer.... their way is the only way.
Personally, I also find it offensive that people insist that their religious viewpoint is the only right way. You will see that with hate mongers. Don't be surprised if you find that some of the CSers who post to this forum will deliberately write things from radical websites that are not even credible to insist their way is right. And it becomes more hate mongering and bickering and most likely will get the forum locked. But by the end of this forum, Israel like any country will still be there and the government will do as they want. And the forum members will have fought a battle.
So I'm going to politely exit out and not get involved and waste my time with this forum. It's just the SAME OLD, SAME OLD STUFF with a different name.
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LILLYLADY: Good morning Trish,
Hope you are nice and warm and toasty over there. Lots of snow here and much more and cold on the way.
As for these type forums, they are repititious under a different title everytime. They are hate mongering forums. It becomes a Jew bashing forum. They become as repititious and anger provoking as the God and Bible forums that become offensive to atheists. People start bashing atheists because they don't believe in God and the OP would insist that as a God believer.... their way is the only way.
Personally, I also find it offensive that people insist that their religious viewpoint is the only right way. You will see that with hate mongers. Don't be surprised if you find that some of the CSers who post to this forum will deliberately write things from radical websites that are not even credible to insist their way is right. And it becomes more hate mongering and bickering and most likely will get the forum locked. But by the end of this forum, Israel like any country will still be there and the government will do as they want. And the forum members will have fought a battle.
So I'm going to politely exit out and not get involved and waste my time with this forum. It's just the SAME OLD, SAME OLD STUFF with a different name.
Hope you are nice and warm and toasty over there. Lots of snow here and much more and cold on the way.
As for these type forums, they are repititious under a different title everytime. They are hate mongering forums. It becomes a Jew bashing forum. They become as repititious and anger provoking as the God and Bible forums that become offensive to atheists. People start bashing atheists because they don't believe in God and the OP would insist that as a God believer.... their way is the only way.
Personally, I also find it offensive that people insist that their religious viewpoint is the only right way. You will see that with hate mongers. Don't be surprised if you find that some of the CSers who post to this forum will deliberately write things from radical websites that are not even credible to insist their way is right. And it becomes more hate mongering and bickering and most likely will get the forum locked. But by the end of this forum, Israel like any country will still be there and the government will do as they want. And the forum members will have fought a battle.
So I'm going to politely exit out and not get involved and waste my time with this forum. It's just the SAME OLD, SAME OLD STUFF with a different name.
Hi Lilly, I hope you're snuggled in too, especially with more on the way! Its bearable here but I feel for the homeless and those not as fortunate as us......
I hear you on the repetition issue but what may be old hat to us seasoned CS'ers isnt necessarily so for a lot of newbies or people who may have missed them earlier. Personally I made a conscious decision to stop posting in these Israel/Palestine threads last year precisely because I could take no more of the hatred that was being spewed, on both sides I have to add. I can deal with the God threads and have actually seen big changes in them - apart from the occasional newbies, nowadays, theres a lot more tolerance of us atheists and a lot less of the daily god threads inundating the forums.
I wish you would reconsider your decision to stay out of the debate as you do make valid and thought worthy comments but I do understand it has to be difficult from your perspective. Its sad that people lose their tempers so much on these issues and a direct reflection of the political process methinks..... but I do feel, in a similar way to how I do with the God threads, that its imperative that public opinion is informed rather than assumed.
Its difficult to find common ground on such emotive issues but its possibly better that the arguing does go on at this level as I know for myself, it led to a lot of research before the hatred on the threads got to me and informed opinion is very clouded on this issue because of corporate interests - we cannot trust the media for the main part and history is mainly told from the point of view of the victors but I think a lot of people are upset by whats happening in Gaza regardless of the historical precepts and simply because of whats happening in the now. I cant say more without my own biases coming to the fore..... suffice it to say that I find it heartbreaking to see such dominance of one nation by another
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I have an idea........why don't we let the rest of the world support and worry about Isreal...and we can use the money and energy to straighten things out right here at home ? 
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jvaski: I have an idea........why don't we let the rest of the world support and worry about Isreal...and we can use the money and energy to straighten things out right here at home ?
But isnt it sad that the power is based on the money rather than the ethics
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trish123: Hi Lilly, I hope you're snuggled in too, especially with more on the way! Its bearable here but I feel for the homeless and those not as fortunate as us......
I hear you on the repetition issue but what may be old hat to us seasoned CS'ers isnt necessarily so for a lot of newbies or people who may have missed them earlier. Personally I made a conscious decision to stop posting in these Israel/Palestine threads last year precisely because I could take no more of the hatred that was being spewed, on both sides I have to add. I can deal with the God threads and have actually seen big changes in them - apart from the occasional newbies, nowadays, theres a lot more tolerance of us atheists and a lot less of the daily god threads inundating the forums.
I wish you would reconsider your decision to stay out of the debate as you do make valid and thought worthy comments but I do understand it has to be difficult from your perspective. Its sad that people lose their tempers so much on these issues and a direct reflection of the political process methinks..... but I do feel, in a similar way to how I do with the God threads, that its imperative that public opinion is informed rather than assumed.
Its difficult to find common ground on such emotive issues but its possibly better that the arguing does go on at this level as I know for myself, it led to a lot of research before the hatred on the threads got to me and informed opinion is very clouded on this issue because of corporate interests - we cannot trust the media for the main part and history is mainly told from the point of view of the victors but I think a lot of people are upset by whats happening in Gaza regardless of the historical precepts and simply because of whats happening in the now. I cant say more without my own biases coming to the fore..... suffice it to say that I find it heartbreaking to see such dominance of one nation by another
I hear you on the repetition issue but what may be old hat to us seasoned CS'ers isnt necessarily so for a lot of newbies or people who may have missed them earlier. Personally I made a conscious decision to stop posting in these Israel/Palestine threads last year precisely because I could take no more of the hatred that was being spewed, on both sides I have to add. I can deal with the God threads and have actually seen big changes in them - apart from the occasional newbies, nowadays, theres a lot more tolerance of us atheists and a lot less of the daily god threads inundating the forums.
I wish you would reconsider your decision to stay out of the debate as you do make valid and thought worthy comments but I do understand it has to be difficult from your perspective. Its sad that people lose their tempers so much on these issues and a direct reflection of the political process methinks..... but I do feel, in a similar way to how I do with the God threads, that its imperative that public opinion is informed rather than assumed.
Its difficult to find common ground on such emotive issues but its possibly better that the arguing does go on at this level as I know for myself, it led to a lot of research before the hatred on the threads got to me and informed opinion is very clouded on this issue because of corporate interests - we cannot trust the media for the main part and history is mainly told from the point of view of the victors but I think a lot of people are upset by whats happening in Gaza regardless of the historical precepts and simply because of whats happening in the now. I cant say more without my own biases coming to the fore..... suffice it to say that I find it heartbreaking to see such dominance of one nation by another
Trish,
Last year I was a newbie to the forums and definitely the Gaza and Palestinium forums got to me. It got none of us anywhere except in heated arguments and many CS posters using dubious radical websites to validate their points. There are some of the same CSers posting now again and will continue to post long diatribes and copy from the same radical websites. The OP has posted before on this issue so thre will be nothing new to add to the issue from him even. Just a topic to see how many people he can get to respond to it.
So I see no reason to waste my time posting anything as a rebuttal. The OP will sit at his computer gloating and laughing at the fighting going on. Too many people will be hurt and he won't give a darn. So nah, I have no desire to support the OP's catty way of starting a war on CS again.
I saw the same thing occur on the God and bible thumping forums. Jew haters on this forum who bash will not want informed opinion but rather comeraderie from their cohorts on here. And there is no shortage of comeraderie to be found.
The more I have read on various topics that you have posted, the more I have gained an immense respect for your insight and views, even if they do not always agree with mine. You have tried not to be insulting and yet people have insulted you. As a newbie, I believe I may have insulted you also thinking you were doing likewise to me, especially in political threads. You can be assured Trish that you have my ultimate respect.
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RobertC2: Quit being so negative.
I've just been to Israel.
I met Jewish Israelis.
I met arab Israelis.
I met Druz Israelis.
Most want peace; the problem is that the ultra orthodox Jews hold the balance of power and all the main political parties can only gain power by forming a coalition with the fundamentalist Jews (who incidentally do NOT fight in the Israeli Army but are happy to stone policemen in Jerusalem for the state daring to open a car park for tourists on the Sabbath).
MOST Jews are not religious - they are proud of their culture but most do things like eat pork and drive on the Sabbath and are only slightly more religious than your average Christian who hardly ever bothers to go to church.
Things are changing. Jewish Israelis are beginning to marry arab Israelis and the younger generation are beginning to rebel at the thought of having to do two years military service for women or three years military service for men.
People are people. People want to live in hope and security. Jewish Israelis want peace. Arab Israelis want peace. The Druz want peace. Most Palestinians want peace.
Extremists all over the world HATE peace. The fundamentalist ultra orthodox Jews and power hungry evil suicide bomb encouraging fundamentalist mullahs are of the same ilk.
Quit knocking Israelis in general or Palestinians in general either - just knock the minority who hate the concept of peace and use their minority power to influence things to make peace almost impossible.
I've just been to Israel.
I met Jewish Israelis.
I met arab Israelis.
I met Druz Israelis.
Most want peace; the problem is that the ultra orthodox Jews hold the balance of power and all the main political parties can only gain power by forming a coalition with the fundamentalist Jews (who incidentally do NOT fight in the Israeli Army but are happy to stone policemen in Jerusalem for the state daring to open a car park for tourists on the Sabbath).
MOST Jews are not religious - they are proud of their culture but most do things like eat pork and drive on the Sabbath and are only slightly more religious than your average Christian who hardly ever bothers to go to church.
Things are changing. Jewish Israelis are beginning to marry arab Israelis and the younger generation are beginning to rebel at the thought of having to do two years military service for women or three years military service for men.
People are people. People want to live in hope and security. Jewish Israelis want peace. Arab Israelis want peace. The Druz want peace. Most Palestinians want peace.
Extremists all over the world HATE peace. The fundamentalist ultra orthodox Jews and power hungry evil suicide bomb encouraging fundamentalist mullahs are of the same ilk.
Quit knocking Israelis in general or Palestinians in general either - just knock the minority who hate the concept of peace and use their minority power to influence things to make peace almost impossible.
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“IsraelNN.com) Early reports that Iraq plans to retain the Jewish nature of the Tomb of the Prophet Ezekiel are apparently false. Sources in Baghdad say that the government plans to turn it into a mosque and erase all Jewish marking
Ezekiel (Yechezkel, in Hebrew), lived in the sixth century BC, having accompanied the exiled Judeans to Babylon. His prophecies include the Vision of the Dry Bones, as well as the future return of Jewish People to the Land of Israel even if they are not deserving (Chapter 36: 22-25). Thousands of Jews often visited the site of his tomb annually before Iraqi Jewry came to an abrupt end in the middle of the 20th century, and Moslems and Christians continue to visit it even today.”
It is not all one sided in this the way I see it one side takes a jab then other. I know that my position on this will not set well with most on this post, so be it. I believe the US should pull out of all of the Middle East there is not a think we can do to help with peace, fighting there has been and will be, even if not with Israel then amongst the other countries. I found it fascinating the above news report is on Ezekiel’s tomb as it is his vision that saw Israel return to the land and then its rebirth after WWII. What is more fascinating is the vision to come, it is a invasion into Israel, I will list the countries using there modern day names; Russia (lower parts), Iran, Sudan, Ethiopia, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, North Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Oman. This based on the names they were under back in Ezekiel’s day, Put, Crush, Persia, ect. The invasion is to happen after a false peace is in the area, so yes peace is coming. Then the invasion will happen in a way Israel can not win. Ezekiel said that on the mountains of Israel God will destroy all those who have come against Israel. So yes peace is coming but maybe not how you may like it. I am not one to force my belief on any one and think it is up to each person to believe how they view God, it is called free will. I do believe there is only one way to God so right or wrong time will tell the truth. Peace to all of you!
Ezekiel (Yechezkel, in Hebrew), lived in the sixth century BC, having accompanied the exiled Judeans to Babylon. His prophecies include the Vision of the Dry Bones, as well as the future return of Jewish People to the Land of Israel even if they are not deserving (Chapter 36: 22-25). Thousands of Jews often visited the site of his tomb annually before Iraqi Jewry came to an abrupt end in the middle of the 20th century, and Moslems and Christians continue to visit it even today.”
It is not all one sided in this the way I see it one side takes a jab then other. I know that my position on this will not set well with most on this post, so be it. I believe the US should pull out of all of the Middle East there is not a think we can do to help with peace, fighting there has been and will be, even if not with Israel then amongst the other countries. I found it fascinating the above news report is on Ezekiel’s tomb as it is his vision that saw Israel return to the land and then its rebirth after WWII. What is more fascinating is the vision to come, it is a invasion into Israel, I will list the countries using there modern day names; Russia (lower parts), Iran, Sudan, Ethiopia, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, North Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Oman. This based on the names they were under back in Ezekiel’s day, Put, Crush, Persia, ect. The invasion is to happen after a false peace is in the area, so yes peace is coming. Then the invasion will happen in a way Israel can not win. Ezekiel said that on the mountains of Israel God will destroy all those who have come against Israel. So yes peace is coming but maybe not how you may like it. I am not one to force my belief on any one and think it is up to each person to believe how they view God, it is called free will. I do believe there is only one way to God so right or wrong time will tell the truth. Peace to all of you!
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SilverBirch: Isreal approved 24 more construction permits in East Jeruselem.
Land that is viewed as occupied territory by the international
community. The United States, Isreals primary benefactor, has
demanded all settlement building stopped. Yet these permits are
still approved. When will they ever learn.
i think there are some parties which really want peace,and also others who made you dubt.Land that is viewed as occupied territory by the international
community. The United States, Isreals primary benefactor, has
demanded all settlement building stopped. Yet these permits are
still approved. When will they ever learn.
but these threads are oftenly a place to blame each other.once a lady assumed that i am a jew living in iran,just because i did not impress a typical sympathy to palestine!myself do not have religon of any kind ,i dont know how that lady discovered!
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Did you know?
- That the Israeli citizens who are not Jews, they can`t buy or rent land in Israel?
-that all Palestinian passes in Israel painted in order to distinguish Jews from non-Jews .
-that is until the 1988th Israeli employers were allowed to publish ads for a job with a note "just Jews".
- Israel has deployed to 85% of water resources for Jews, and the other 15% of all Palestinians. For example, in Hebron is 85% of water sources is given for 400 residents of the Jews, while 15% is divided between 120 000 Palestinians.
- That Israel receives from America's $ 4 billion aid each year. That exceeds the annual American aid grants throughout Africa.
- That Israel is the only country in the Middle East that possesses nuclear weapons.
- That Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the Agreement on Non-proliferation of weapons and prohibits nuclear international inspections on its territory.
- That Israel currently occupies the territory of two sovereign countries: Libya and Syria, humiliating UN Security Council resolution.
- Israel for decades to send assassins to the territories of other countries to kill their political opponents.
- The high-ranking military officer in the Israeli Defense Forces publicly admitted that he committed the executions of unarmed prisoner of war.
-that Israel refuses to judge its soldiers who have admitted that they committed war crimes.
-that Israel has taken up in the air an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked an American ship in international waters, killing 33 and at the same time wounding 177 American sailors.
that the four-Prime Minister of Israel (Begin, Sharon, Rabin and Shamir), or participated in attacks or mascara bombing civilians or violent expulsion of civilians from their villages.
-that Israel had a postage stamp dedicated to the man who committed the attack on civilian bus and killed several people.
-that Israel confiscate skilfully (appropriates) bank accounts and affairs of non-Jews and refused to pay compensation for those who are thus affected.
-the second most powerful lobby in the U.S., according to recent research among Washington insiders magazine Fortune, the American-Israel Political Committee (AIPAC)
-to the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays three U.S. agencies to form public opinion in order to promote Israel.
-that the defense of Israel guaranteed the 70 Security Council resolutions in N.
-that today's Israel rests in places where more than 400 missing Palestinian villages and that the Israelis renamed almost all places in the country so filled traces of Palestinian settlements.
- That the Sharon coalition government includes a party "Molodet" which advocates the expulsion of Palestinians from the occupied territories.
Source: Al-Hevar Center, Palestine
The text was published in June, 2005.
so I`m just taking a wield guess here....nope...The private property of the Rothschild family-Israel ... don`t want peace
- That the Israeli citizens who are not Jews, they can`t buy or rent land in Israel?
-that all Palestinian passes in Israel painted in order to distinguish Jews from non-Jews .
-that is until the 1988th Israeli employers were allowed to publish ads for a job with a note "just Jews".
- Israel has deployed to 85% of water resources for Jews, and the other 15% of all Palestinians. For example, in Hebron is 85% of water sources is given for 400 residents of the Jews, while 15% is divided between 120 000 Palestinians.
- That Israel receives from America's $ 4 billion aid each year. That exceeds the annual American aid grants throughout Africa.
- That Israel is the only country in the Middle East that possesses nuclear weapons.
- That Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the Agreement on Non-proliferation of weapons and prohibits nuclear international inspections on its territory.
- That Israel currently occupies the territory of two sovereign countries: Libya and Syria, humiliating UN Security Council resolution.
- Israel for decades to send assassins to the territories of other countries to kill their political opponents.
- The high-ranking military officer in the Israeli Defense Forces publicly admitted that he committed the executions of unarmed prisoner of war.
-that Israel refuses to judge its soldiers who have admitted that they committed war crimes.
-that Israel has taken up in the air an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked an American ship in international waters, killing 33 and at the same time wounding 177 American sailors.
that the four-Prime Minister of Israel (Begin, Sharon, Rabin and Shamir), or participated in attacks or mascara bombing civilians or violent expulsion of civilians from their villages.
-that Israel had a postage stamp dedicated to the man who committed the attack on civilian bus and killed several people.
-that Israel confiscate skilfully (appropriates) bank accounts and affairs of non-Jews and refused to pay compensation for those who are thus affected.
-the second most powerful lobby in the U.S., according to recent research among Washington insiders magazine Fortune, the American-Israel Political Committee (AIPAC)
-to the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays three U.S. agencies to form public opinion in order to promote Israel.
-that the defense of Israel guaranteed the 70 Security Council resolutions in N.
-that today's Israel rests in places where more than 400 missing Palestinian villages and that the Israelis renamed almost all places in the country so filled traces of Palestinian settlements.
- That the Sharon coalition government includes a party "Molodet" which advocates the expulsion of Palestinians from the occupied territories.
Source: Al-Hevar Center, Palestine
The text was published in June, 2005.
so I`m just taking a wield guess here....nope...The private property of the Rothschild family-Israel ... don`t want peace
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RobertC2: Quit being so negative.
I've just been to Israel.
I met Jewish Israelis.
I met arab Israelis.
I met Druz Israelis.
Most want peace; the problem is that the ultra orthodox Jews hold the balance of power and all the main political parties can only gain power by forming a coalition with the fundamentalist Jews (who incidentally do NOT fight in the Israeli Army but are happy to stone policemen in Jerusalem for the state daring to open a car park for tourists on the Sabbath).
MOST Jews are not religious - they are proud of their culture but most do things like eat pork and drive on the Sabbath and are only slightly more religious than your average Christian who hardly ever bothers to go to church.
Things are changing. Jewish Israelis are beginning to marry arab Israelis and the younger generation are beginning to rebel at the thought of having to do two years military service for women or three years military service for men.
People are people. People want to live in hope and security. Jewish Israelis want peace. Arab Israelis want peace. The Druz want peace. Most Palestinians want peace.
Extremists all over the world HATE peace. The fundamentalist ultra orthodox Jews and power hungry evil suicide bomb encouraging fundamentalist mullahs are of the same ilk.
Quit knocking Israelis in general or Palestinians in general either - just knock the minority who hate the concept of peace and use their minority power to influence things to make peace almost impossible.
I've just been to Israel.
I met Jewish Israelis.
I met arab Israelis.
I met Druz Israelis.
Most want peace; the problem is that the ultra orthodox Jews hold the balance of power and all the main political parties can only gain power by forming a coalition with the fundamentalist Jews (who incidentally do NOT fight in the Israeli Army but are happy to stone policemen in Jerusalem for the state daring to open a car park for tourists on the Sabbath).
MOST Jews are not religious - they are proud of their culture but most do things like eat pork and drive on the Sabbath and are only slightly more religious than your average Christian who hardly ever bothers to go to church.
Things are changing. Jewish Israelis are beginning to marry arab Israelis and the younger generation are beginning to rebel at the thought of having to do two years military service for women or three years military service for men.
People are people. People want to live in hope and security. Jewish Israelis want peace. Arab Israelis want peace. The Druz want peace. Most Palestinians want peace.
Extremists all over the world HATE peace. The fundamentalist ultra orthodox Jews and power hungry evil suicide bomb encouraging fundamentalist mullahs are of the same ilk.
Quit knocking Israelis in general or Palestinians in general either - just knock the minority who hate the concept of peace and use their minority power to influence things to make peace almost impossible.
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all governments are false and pointless! and before we became so "powerful" we were no better then them! And if you want peace, the best thing that can happen is to become buddhist. None of us are subject to any of them. the good ol' red, white, and blue are more black and white than all the others put combined.
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SilverBirch: Isreal approved 24 more construction permits in East Jeruselem.
Land that is viewed as occupied territory by the international
community. The United States, Isreals primary benefactor, has
demanded all settlement building stopped. Yet these permits are
still approved. When will they ever learn.
Land that is viewed as occupied territory by the international
community. The United States, Isreals primary benefactor, has
demanded all settlement building stopped. Yet these permits are
still approved. When will they ever learn.
As the Original Poster I thank all who have contributed to this
tread.
The reason I started this tread was to debate.
There is no hate mongering.
The only name calling is by one poster.
Truth hurts.
So Israel builds more homes on occupied land.
The Palistinians revolt and are slaughterd.
The cycle continues until regional conflict developes.
Israel expands its quest for global domination.
I too have gone to the Stupa
Killing is not justified under ANY circumstance.
Non-violent demontration is the only tool here.
Truth and logic are our weapons.
24 new home permits are issued for the occupied territories.
Israel wants securty.
When will they ever learn.
Peace is attainable
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SilverBirch: Isreal approved 24 more construction permits in East Jeruselem.
Land that is viewed as occupied territory by the international
community. The United States, Isreals primary benefactor, has
demanded all settlement building stopped. Yet these permits are
still approved. When will they ever learn.
Land that is viewed as occupied territory by the international
community. The United States, Isreals primary benefactor, has
demanded all settlement building stopped. Yet these permits are
still approved. When will they ever learn.
As the Original Poster I thank all who have contributed to this
tread.
The reason I started this tread was to debate.
There is no hate mongering.
The only name calling is by one poster.
Truth hurts.
So Israel builds more homes on occupied land.
The Palistinians revolt and are slaughterd.
The cycle continues until regional conflict developes.
Israel expands its quest for global domination.
I too have gone to the Stupa
Killing is not justified under ANY circumstance.
Non-violent demontration is the only tool here.
Truth and logic are our weapons.
24 new home permits are issued for the occupied territories.
Israel wants securty.
When will they ever learn.
Peace is attainable
------ This poll is Archived ------
SilverBirch: Isreal approved 24 more construction permits in East Jeruselem.
Land that is viewed as occupied territory by the international
community. The United States, Isreals primary benefactor, has
demanded all settlement building stopped. Yet these permits are
still approved. When will they ever learn.
Land that is viewed as occupied territory by the international
community. The United States, Isreals primary benefactor, has
demanded all settlement building stopped. Yet these permits are
still approved. When will they ever learn.
As the Original Poster I thank all who have contributed to this
tread.
The reason I started this tread was to debate.
There is no hate mongering.
The only name calling is by one poster.
Truth hurts.
So Israel builds more homes on occupied land.
The Palistinians revolt and are slaughterd.
The cycle continues until regional conflict developes.
Israel expands its quest for global domination.
I too have gone to the Stupa
Killing is not justified under ANY circumstance.
Non-violent demontration is the only tool here.
Truth and logic are our weapons.
24 new home permits are issued for the occupied territories.
Israel wants securty.
When will they ever learn.
Peace is attainable
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Does Isreal truly want peace.(Vote Below)
Land that is viewed as occupied territory by the international
community. The United States, Isreals primary benefactor, has
demanded all settlement building stopped. Yet these permits are
still approved. When will they ever learn.