Jehovah & the 144,000 (18)
Go sit in a church for just one morning and listen real hard come back here and tell me what you think...
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The "Elect"
A big deal to John Calvin,among others.
The verse in Revealation is quite brief.
And the whole package borders on insanity anyway.
Did I say "borders on"?
A big deal to John Calvin,among others.
The verse in Revealation is quite brief.
And the whole package borders on insanity anyway.
Did I say "borders on"?
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I worked with a Jehovah's Witness many years ago, and to be honest I have to say...The people in this religion are the only ones I have ever talked to that make a lick of sense. 
I am under the impression from what you are posting that you have never listened to what they are saying or opened your mind to what they are teaching....JMO.
But....I am not one to talk religion so I will stop here.
I am under the impression from what you are posting that you have never listened to what they are saying or opened your mind to what they are teaching....JMO.
But....I am not one to talk religion so I will stop here.
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jeepers: I haven't payed any attention to what they are doing. I worry about them closing it off and it just blowing out through other formations along the way up the well, but lets not hijack the thread eh ?
Sorry OP.
Sorry OP.
I see, sorry for the HiJack:
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Is this whole concept about ethics and morels?
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itsallme112: Is this whole concept about ethics and morels?
Morels are great,sauteed in butter.
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wonderworker: Morels are great,sauteed in butter.
I Like you much better without the shades wonderworker.
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conjor: I Like you much better without the shades wonderworker.
< Like This?
Or did you want to see the pretty girl again?
I'd hate to spoil a big surprise
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wonderworker: < Like This?
Or did you want to see the pretty girl again?
I'd hate to spoil a big surprise
Are you getting married?Or did you want to see the pretty girl again?
I'd hate to spoil a big surprise
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conjor: Are you getting married?
Stay tuned.
Ever seen any thing so pretty?
Well,a speckled pup maybe.
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The number 144,000 is scriptural - It is specifically stated, and derived from '12,000' from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.
So, it's not as though they just made up a random number.
In the book of Revelation, that group of people is specifically referred to as a separate and special entity.
Whether or not you agree with their interpretation, I guess that's a personal choice.
How do you feel this qualifies as brainwashing, as opposed to any other religious interpretation of those scriptures?
So, it's not as though they just made up a random number.
In the book of Revelation, that group of people is specifically referred to as a separate and special entity.
Whether or not you agree with their interpretation, I guess that's a personal choice.
How do you feel this qualifies as brainwashing, as opposed to any other religious interpretation of those scriptures?
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Barrellofart: The number 144,000 is scriptural - It is specifically stated, and derived from '12,000' from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.
So, it's not as though they just made up a random number.
In the book of Revelation, that group of people is specifically referred to as a separate and special entity.
Whether or not you agree with their interpretation, I guess that's a personal choice.
How do you feel this qualifies as brainwashing, as opposed to any other religious interpretation of those scriptures?
So, it's not as though they just made up a random number.
In the book of Revelation, that group of people is specifically referred to as a separate and special entity.
Whether or not you agree with their interpretation, I guess that's a personal choice.
How do you feel this qualifies as brainwashing, as opposed to any other religious interpretation of those scriptures?
cant dispute one word you say
i even sometimes understand and agree with their policies on holidays
i do feel a bit uncomfortable about the no window policy tho but hey
hows barrell?
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mindfful: cant dispute one word you say
i even sometimes understand and agree with their policies on holidays
i do feel a bit uncomfortable about the no window policy tho but hey hows barrell?
i even sometimes understand and agree with their policies on holidays
i do feel a bit uncomfortable about the no window policy tho but hey hows barrell?
No window policy?
I'm doing quite well, thanks. :)
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Barrellofart: The number 144,000 is scriptural - It is specifically stated, and derived from '12,000' from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.
So, it's not as though they just made up a random number.
In the book of Revelation, that group of people is specifically referred to as a separate and special entity.
Whether or not you agree with their interpretation, I guess that's a personal choice.
How do you feel this qualifies as brainwashing, as opposed to any other religious interpretation of those scriptures?
there is no doubt jehovah wittnesss are sincere in what they believe .what i as a christian would question there interpretation of scripture.as quoted in the watch tower;So, it's not as though they just made up a random number.
In the book of Revelation, that group of people is specifically referred to as a separate and special entity.
Whether or not you agree with their interpretation, I guess that's a personal choice.
How do you feel this qualifies as brainwashing, as opposed to any other religious interpretation of those scriptures?
they reject the deity of jesus
claim jesus and the archangel michael are the same person
believe jesus wascrucified on a pole instead of a crossbeam.
do not believe in the actual second comeing of jesus
reject that jehovah and jesus are the same person.
the essence and nature of the holy spirit
claim the 144000 in revelation are jehovah wittness.
when infact they are jewish believers in jesus from the 12 tribes of israel
dot not believe the holy city of jerusalem comeing down from heaven is an actual city.
do not believe we are saved by grace and faith alone .the
list is endless . so i personaly do not believe in there teaching
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royester24: there is no doubt jehovah wittnesss are sincere in what they believe .what i as a christian would question there interpretation of scripture.as quoted in the watch tower;
they reject the deity of jesus
claim jesus and the archangel michael are the same person
believe jesus wascrucified on a pole instead of a crossbeam.
do not believe in the actual second comeing of jesus
reject that jehovah and jesus are the same person.
the essence and nature of the holy spirit
claim the 144000 in revelation are jehovah wittness.
when infact they are jewish believers in jesus from the 12 tribes of israel
dot not believe the holy city of jerusalem comeing down from heaven is an actual city.
do not believe we are saved by grace and faith alone .the
list is endless . so i personaly do not believe in there teaching
they reject the deity of jesus
claim jesus and the archangel michael are the same person
believe jesus wascrucified on a pole instead of a crossbeam.
do not believe in the actual second comeing of jesus
reject that jehovah and jesus are the same person.
the essence and nature of the holy spirit
claim the 144000 in revelation are jehovah wittness.
when infact they are jewish believers in jesus from the 12 tribes of israel
dot not believe the holy city of jerusalem comeing down from heaven is an actual city.
do not believe we are saved by grace and faith alone .the
list is endless . so i personaly do not believe in there teaching
True enough, but they still attempt to show scriptural explanations for those beliefs, just like every other religion.
There is a vast array of beliefs, many contradictory, that can be 'shown from the scriptures' because so much of it is 'interpreted', instead of taken exactly as it is written. Especially when you're getting into a book like Revelations, which is steeped in alternate meanings and crazy imagery.
Take the Mormons, for example - A gospel scripture states that 'After death, they will not marry, nor be given in marriage, but will be as the angels in heaven.'
The Mormons read that scripture, and say, 'Marriage is eternal'. But, doesn't it seem to suggest that there will be no marriage after death? Ah, but that's the rub. The scripture doesn't say that. What the scripture says is that people will not be getting married, but it does not, however, say that the institution of marriages ends in death. Therefore, even though there is no 'getting married' after death, they believe that if you have been married, you will continue to be married afterward.
It's a view that most religions use that exact same scripture to refute, to show that there is no marriage after death, and yet the LDS church uses it, exactly as it is written, to show that there can be marriage after death, as a state of being, not as an action.
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itsallme112: According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, judgement day will last 1000 years. during that time Christ will be appointed by God to judge the living and the dead. 144,000 people will be selected to act as administrators in the kingdom of heaven to be established on earth. Both the dead and living will be judged according to their deeds during judgement day. Depending on the final outcome of their actions, this will turn out to be either a resurrection that results in everlasting life or a resurrection that results in destruction.
It seems to me this concept is another brainwashing technique so common in many cults. It reminds me of the Inquisition with their own rules and distruction of innocent people who didn't agree. Using religion to manipulate vunerable people is disgraceful.
It seems to me this concept is another brainwashing technique so common in many cults. It reminds me of the Inquisition with their own rules and distruction of innocent people who didn't agree. Using religion to manipulate vunerable people is disgraceful.
brainwashing is right i feel sorry for them thou such a waste of live to think your saved when in the end we are all the same, none of these religions will see a heaven or a god untill they cope on and help the hurting of the world.. perhaps being reborn a few tousand times will help.. ha everlasting life such crap these money grabbers come up with so funny really
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Barrellofart: True enough, but they still attempt to show scriptural explanations for those beliefs, just like every other religion.
There is a vast array of beliefs, many contradictory, that can be 'shown from the scriptures' because so much of it is 'interpreted', instead of taken exactly as it is written. Especially when you're getting into a book like Revelations, which is steeped in alternate meanings and crazy imagery.
Take the Mormons, for example - A gospel scripture states that 'After death, they will not marry, nor be given in marriage, but will be as the angels in heaven.'
The Mormons read that scripture, and say, 'Marriage is eternal'. But, doesn't it seem to suggest that there will be no marriage after death? Ah, but that's the rub. The scripture doesn't say that. What the scripture says is that people will not be getting married, but it does not, however, say that the institution of marriages ends in death. Therefore, even though there is no 'getting married' after death, they believe that if you have been married, you will continue to be married afterward.
It's a view that most religions use that exact same scripture to refute, to show that there is no marriage after death, and yet the LDS church uses it, exactly as it is written, to show that there can be marriage after death, as a state of being, not as an action.
There is a vast array of beliefs, many contradictory, that can be 'shown from the scriptures' because so much of it is 'interpreted', instead of taken exactly as it is written. Especially when you're getting into a book like Revelations, which is steeped in alternate meanings and crazy imagery.
Take the Mormons, for example - A gospel scripture states that 'After death, they will not marry, nor be given in marriage, but will be as the angels in heaven.'
The Mormons read that scripture, and say, 'Marriage is eternal'. But, doesn't it seem to suggest that there will be no marriage after death? Ah, but that's the rub. The scripture doesn't say that. What the scripture says is that people will not be getting married, but it does not, however, say that the institution of marriages ends in death. Therefore, even though there is no 'getting married' after death, they believe that if you have been married, you will continue to be married afterward.
It's a view that most religions use that exact same scripture to refute, to show that there is no marriage after death, and yet the LDS church uses it, exactly as it is written, to show that there can be marriage after death, as a state of being, not as an action.
yes barrellofart what you say on the interpretation of scripture is true espcialy the book of revelation.we need to handel the words wisely
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itsallme112: According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, judgement day will last 1000 years. during that time Christ will be appointed by God to judge the living and the dead. 144,000 people will be selected to act as administrators in the kingdom of heaven to be established on earth. Both the dead and living will be judged according to their deeds during judgement day. Depending on the final outcome of their actions, this will turn out to be either a resurrection that results in everlasting life or a resurrection that results in destruction.
It seems to me this concept is another brainwashing technique so common in many cults. It reminds me of the Inquisition with their own rules and distruction of innocent people who didn't agree. Using religion to manipulate vunerable people is disgraceful.
It seems to me this concept is another brainwashing technique so common in many cults. It reminds me of the Inquisition with their own rules and distruction of innocent people who didn't agree. Using religion to manipulate vunerable people is disgraceful.
I went to Jehova's church twice in the last 2 months---to observe. Nice people who rely far too much on faith in regards to how great change will come. They expect God will snap his fingers and change will come just like that. I don't think so, change comes from the people's will. They don't preach anything really differently than any other congregation---they just have their own take on some matters which is not too different or extreme.
To me, their myth of judgement day is just that---a myth perhaps built upon from other myths.
Consider this:
- According to ancient records, the Maya Long Count
Calendar will reach 13.0.0.0.0. Due to the cyclic nature of
Maya calendars, this date appears to replicate the same
number as at the beginning of this Creation in August 3114
BC/BCE (which the Maya also wrote as 13.0.0.0.0). The
interval is 5125 years & 133 days, or 5125.366 years.
- The return of Quetzalcoatl (one of the great gods of ancient
Mesoamerica), according to Aztec and Maya prophecies.
- The “13” in the Maya date 13.0.0.0.0 indicates “13 Bak’tuns.”
A Maya Bak’tun or Pik is 144,000 days, the same number as
the number of devotees taken up in the Rapture, according to
the Book of Revelation. Coincidence?
- There have been five Creations according to the Aztec
records. Five times 5125.366 years is 25,626.8 years.
Coincidence?
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It seems to me this concept is another brainwashing technique so common in many cults. It reminds me of the Inquisition with their own rules and distruction of innocent people who didn't agree. Using religion to manipulate vunerable people is disgraceful.