The American Public Education system... (84)
It depends greatly as to what state you are in....some have the best in the world IMO....other states teach basically how to grow corn....some of the lowest paid teaching jobs in the country is in some states in the south....
Way to broad a subject to get a general idea as to education in the U.S......it really should be looked at state to state similar to how one may look at it country to country...
Way to broad a subject to get a general idea as to education in the U.S......it really should be looked at state to state similar to how one may look at it country to country...
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I agree. I moved from Colorado to North Carolina. My kids were geniuses here when we first moved. I don't want to talk about where we are five years later. It sure would be nice if there was a standard that every single school was held to and all schools provided the exact same education. I was going to move to Myrtle Beach area next month and learned that the middle and high schools there have metal detectors at the entry. There should be one standard for all us schools.
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bittersweet28467: What is your opinion of the American Education system? Do you think charter schools are a better option? Do you think that other countries have a better system? and if so how? What do you think is the biggest problem with the education system here?
I'm Talking K-12 PUBLIC Education...
I'm Talking K-12 PUBLIC Education...
Money is one issue that needs to be taken care of. Teachers don't get the pay they deserve and some schools are using books that are so out of date, it's ridiculous.
With no real discipline in school, students know they can get away with just about anything. When I was in grade school, a teacher couldn't hit you but the principal could smack you up side the head to get your attention.
Then there are the kids who need more help than others when it comes to learning. I knew kids in Junior High (7th & 8th grades) who could barely spell their own names. Some teachers are not interested in helping these kids, they would rather pass them on to the next grade and let someone else worry about it. I think pay has a big part of why teachers don't want to put any real effort into helping a student.
Then there are the kids who find the curriculum so damn easy, there is no challenge for their minds and get bored. They get to a point where they act up in class due to the lack of challenge. My oldest son was this way. He has a mind where he could look at a math problem and figure out the answer in a split second.
In 8th grade, the principal gave him an 11th grade algebra problem. He glanced at it and gave the answer. One of his problems was that he could not show how he came up with the answer on paper. Sometimes I wished I had insisted on the school testing him to see where his IQ is at.
The education system in America needs a lot of work to up to par with what is in most European countries. It's like our schools are no more than an assembly line, get them in and get them out
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bittersweet28467: I agree. I moved from Colorado to North Carolina. My kids were geniuses here when we first moved. I don't want to talk about where we are five years later. It sure would be nice if there was a standard that every single school was held to and all schools provided the exact same education. I was going to move to Myrtle Beach area next month and learned that the middle and high schools there have metal detectors at the entry. There should be one standard for all us schools.
Move north.....
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Is this high school education?
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IQ is simply a measure to the capability of learning....it does not measure how smart one is ....only how easily one can learn....
So a person with a high IQ could be not very smart at all as they have never been taught(however this is normally not the case)
So a person with a high IQ could be not very smart at all as they have never been taught(however this is normally not the case)
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taff1: Is this high school education?
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davpk10: yes
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A great place to get indoctrinated: government schools
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bittersweet28467: I agree. I moved from Colorado to North Carolina. My kids were geniuses here when we first moved. I don't want to talk about where we are five years later. It sure would be nice if there was a standard that every single school was held to and all schools provided the exact same education. I was going to move to Myrtle Beach area next month and learned that the middle and high schools there have metal detectors at the entry. There should be one standard for all us schools.
Then the mediocrity would be widespread.
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I think that education here is in a whole just not getting the attention it deserves. I have a grand daughter that goes to charter and she is doing excellent. She is in eleventh grade now and is going to continue her schooling untill she gets her degree. I don't think she would have the grades or the attitude to want that if she was not in a charter school. Where I live at when they first started charter schools they were for the troubled children. Now they have waiting list for all children. But you cannot be a slacker and go to charter here. 
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bittersweet28467: What is your opinion of the American Education system? Do you think charter schools are a better option? Do you think that other countries have a better system? and if so how? What do you think is the biggest problem with the education system here?
I'm Talking K-12 PUBLIC Education...
I'm Talking K-12 PUBLIC Education...
The self loathing conspiracy theorists and their irrational theories on the 9-11 conspiracy post makes it very clear that our Educational system has failed us miserably. When teachers became more interested in brainwashing kids with their political agendas, the end was in sight.
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davpk10: That's almost like saying we should not teach Shakespear....it is a "classic"...I do understand that we need to go back to the basic as once was where if your father is a farmer and everyone you will ever know is a farmer...and you will be a farmer ,then why teach them carpentry......This way of teaching made our country great is true.. also believe it or not the next wave of high pay jobs will be in the "Trades" weilder,mason,carpenters are expected to go into the 60,000.00 and up in the next generation....But let's not forget the arts as well..
Look, I can quote Shakespeare from memory, but it did not get me the job of head of administration where I work.
Unless...you aspire to be an actor or actress and go around the country hoping that some venue will book your performance, then I'm not trying to hear about Shakespeare. If it's not going to make me enough money to put a roof over my head, food on the table, pay my utilites, etc., then I'm not interested.
As far as actors and actresses go, ya..they make a lot of money, but the majority of kids in school will not leave school and shoot straight for a starring role in the next remake of The Titanic. Let's be reasonable.
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BellaTheRebel48: Look, I can quote Shakespeare from memory, but it did not get me the job of head of administration where I work.
Unless...you aspire to be an actor or actress and go around the country hoping that some venue will book your performance, then I'm not trying to hear about Shakespeare. If it's not going to make me enough money to put a roof over my head, food on the table, pay my utilites, etc., then I'm not interested.
As far as actors and actresses go, ya..they make a lot of money, but the majority of kids in school will not leave school and shoot straight for a starring role in the next remake of The Titanic. Let's be reasonable.
In reality I was agreeing with you.....but I still think there is room for both...Unless...you aspire to be an actor or actress and go around the country hoping that some venue will book your performance, then I'm not trying to hear about Shakespeare. If it's not going to make me enough money to put a roof over my head, food on the table, pay my utilites, etc., then I'm not interested.
As far as actors and actresses go, ya..they make a lot of money, but the majority of kids in school will not leave school and shoot straight for a starring role in the next remake of The Titanic. Let's be reasonable.
What if a child is the next great writer ,or columnist,or actor, or historian......the worlds jobs are not Just in computers and communications....but they could become prof. teaching ...and this way of singular teaching could easily past these talents to the side.....
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gardenhackle: The self loathing conspiracy theorists and their irrational theories on the 9-11 conspiracy post makes it very clear that our Educational system has failed us miserably. When teachers became more interested in brainwashing kids with their political agendas, the end was in sight.
...as it also shows in the close-minded who think they know it all and to have a differing opinion from theirs smacks of brainwashing, irrational theories and self-loathing(which by the way is YOUR conspiracy about conspiracy theorists).
Welcome to the club!!
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Privatise at least 25% of the public schools in America as an experiment and close down all the useless schools that continue to underachieve.
Also just out of interest how many days per year are American high school kids supposed to attend school, in Ireland its a shocking 171.
Also just out of interest how many days per year are American high school kids supposed to attend school, in Ireland its a shocking 171.
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davpk10: In reality I was agreeing with you.....but I still think there is room for both... What if a child is the next great writer ,or columnist,or actor, or historian......the worlds jobs are not Just in computers and communications....but they could become prof. teaching ...and this way of singular teaching could easily past these talents to the side.....
...assuming they could afford to go to college to get a teaching degree. Again...the children are ill-equipped when leaving high school to get a job, much less afford tuitions (that have skyrocketed out of the ballpark) that would enable them to obtain a better paying job in a teaching field. For many, time is a serious factor. Few have the time or the money to further their education to even obtain a license to become an electrician, much less to enable them to become a college professor.
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BellaTheRebel48: ...as it also shows in the close-minded who think they know it all and to have a differing opinion from theirs smacks of brainwashing, irrational theories and self-loathing(which by the way is YOUR conspiracy about conspiracy theorists).
Welcome to the club!!
Welcome to the club!!
I think of the trend to "self loathing" here isn't so much a conspiracy as a peculiar phenomenon. Gotta love the "America is evil" mentality that seems so prevalent these days among who else, but Americans.
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BellaTheRebel48: ...assuming they could afford to go to college to get a teaching degree. Again...the children are ill-equipped when leaving high school to get a job, much less afford tuitions (that have skyrocketed out of the ballpark) that would enable them to obtain a better paying job in a teaching field. For many, time is a serious factor. Few have the time or the money to further their education to even obtain a license to become an electrician, much less to enable them to become a college professor.
I totally get you ....I have always said everyone needs a good trade....but what if we simply stopped teaching these things and pasted by a great orator such as King... Or a writer like Arthur Conan Doyle or Mark Twain, or a great actor like Ronald Regan......ok Ronald Regan was not a good pick...
but you know what I mean...
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Hey Guys..
I am reading your posts with interest..
In your high schools... do you have curriculums that students can choose what they need to study to achieve their vocational goals?
I am reading your posts with interest..
In your high schools... do you have curriculums that students can choose what they need to study to achieve their vocational goals?
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Merriweather: Hey Guys..
I am reading your posts with interest..
In your high schools... do you have curriculums that students can choose what they need to study to achieve their vocational goals?
both...least in NY you have what is called "Electives" these are allowed to be picked by the students....but the basic subjects are not and there is a requirement as to what must be passed to graduateI am reading your posts with interest..
In your high schools... do you have curriculums that students can choose what they need to study to achieve their vocational goals?
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gardenhackle: I think of the trend to "self loathing" here isn't so much a conspiracy as a peculiar phenomenon. Gotta love the "America is evil" mentality that seems so prevalent these days among who else, but Americans.
...who else indeed....
Phenomenon or conspiracy??? Word games anyone????
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davpk10: I totally get you ....I have always said everyone needs a good trade....but what if we simply stopped teaching these things and pasted by a great orator such as King... Or a writer like Arthur Conan Doyle or Mark Twain, or a great actor like Ronald Regan......ok Ronald Regan was not a good pick... but you know what I mean...
I'm not saying to totally eliminate the Arts in school, I'm simply suggesting incorporating the teaching of necessary skills to have knowledge of a trade upon exiting high school. That would at least give the kid a chance at becoming an apprentice to a carpenter or an electrician. He or she can even recite Shakespeare as he or she is helping to install wiring in a new commercial building.
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Instead of complaining - pick up a degree and teach! I wonder how many people really understand the teacher shortage and the effect it has on a child's future education to have to start a school year with a substitute (who often times, has NO educational experience) and then have to also endure a series of subs throughout the year. Some of the reason there are teacher shortages in some areas is because teachers usually get the brunt of the complaints against the education system - so more and more people are opting out of education as a career - and some teachers are leaving the profession due to the stress and pressure put on us for accountability for student performance, when often times there are mitigating factors that are beyond our control...but the public doesn't want to hear that - blame the system, blame the teacher - oh and don't pay teachers well - that helps.
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Charli15695: Instead of complaining - pick up a degree and teach! I wonder how many people really understand the teacher shortage and the effect it has on a child's future education to have to start a school year with a substitute (who often times, has NO educational experience) and then have to also endure a series of subs throughout the year. Some of the reason there are teacher shortages in some areas is because teachers usually get the brunt of the complaints against the education system - so more and more people are opting out of education as a career - and some teachers are leaving the profession due to the stress and pressure put on us for accountability for student performance, when often times there are mitigating factors that are beyond our control...but the public doesn't want to hear that - blame the system, blame the teacher - oh and don't pay teachers well - that helps.
I personally think NY state schools do a great job.....it maybe differant now .....I do know here NY state offers "only" at high school "Regents" diploma....they have did away with the "non-regents" one A student can elect to enter "BOCES" for the last two years and learn most trades including carpentry which every year they build a house and at the end of the year the house is slod and they recap some of the money.....so not only carpenter ,but heat and air,roofing ,ele. ect.......as well as retail coures,ato repair ,weilding, Hair styling...
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davpk10: I personally think NY state schools do a great job.....it maybe differant now .....I do know here NY state offers "only" at high school "Regents" diploma....they have did away with the "non-regents" one A student can elect to enter "BOCES" for the last two years and learn most trades including carpentry which every year they build a house and at the end of the year the house is slod and they recap some of the money.....so not only carpenter ,but heat and air,roofing ,ele. ect.......as well as retail coures,ato repair ,weilding, Hair styling...
sorry for the typos...
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Here's Irony for you.....
I was an Education Major, but I never completed my degree.
There really are Two Americas, when it comes to education, since most public schools are primarily funded by property taxes. If you remove the standardized test scores of poor inner city, and rural areas, the U.S. still ranks near the top in World comparisons.
The biggest problem, is probably that many teachers, for various reasons no longer have the power to rule thier classrooms; too many parents suing, the schools over nonsense, etc. Teachers have to spend more time documenting everything to protect themselves from lawsuits, they scarcly have time to be educators.
JM Stubborn Pig Headed O
I was an Education Major, but I never completed my degree.
There really are Two Americas, when it comes to education, since most public schools are primarily funded by property taxes. If you remove the standardized test scores of poor inner city, and rural areas, the U.S. still ranks near the top in World comparisons.
The biggest problem, is probably that many teachers, for various reasons no longer have the power to rule thier classrooms; too many parents suing, the schools over nonsense, etc. Teachers have to spend more time documenting everything to protect themselves from lawsuits, they scarcly have time to be educators.
JM Stubborn Pig Headed O
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davpk10: both...least in NY you have what is called "Electives" these are allowed to be picked by the students....but the basic subjects are not and there is a requirement as to what must be passed to graduate
The same here in NH
For those who think that it is stupid to have books like Beowulf and such in school, I have to disagree. How else would you expect a child to learn how to read and pronounce new words? Literature is a big deal and is in our every day lives.
Damn near everything we have learned in school, be it directly or indirectly, we use every day
If it were not for those "stupid books", I don't think I would be such an avid reader today. I still learn something new whenever I read a book, be it sci-fi, fantasy, history or whatever
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diogenes: Here's Irony for you.....
I was an Education Major, but I never completed my degree.
There really are Two Americas, when it comes to education, since most public schools are primarily funded by property taxes. If you remove the standardized test scores of poor inner city, and rural areas, the U.S. still ranks near the top in World comparisons.
The biggest problem, is probably that many teachers, for various reasons no longer have the power to rule thier classrooms; too many parents suing, the schools over nonsense, etc. Teachers have to spend more time documenting everything to protect themselves from lawsuits, they scarcly have time to be educators.
JM Stubborn Pig Headed O
I was an Education Major, but I never completed my degree.
There really are Two Americas, when it comes to education, since most public schools are primarily funded by property taxes. If you remove the standardized test scores of poor inner city, and rural areas, the U.S. still ranks near the top in World comparisons.
The biggest problem, is probably that many teachers, for various reasons no longer have the power to rule thier classrooms; too many parents suing, the schools over nonsense, etc. Teachers have to spend more time documenting everything to protect themselves from lawsuits, they scarcly have time to be educators.
JM Stubborn Pig Headed O
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BellaTheRebel48: ...who else indeed....
Phenomenon or conspiracy??? Word games anyone????
Phenomenon or conspiracy??? Word games anyone????
LOL, it's not like they're synonyms. A self-loathing phenomenon doesn't require collusion and rarely, if ever, does involve collusion but a conspiracy, by it's very definition does.
So, naturally, it doesn't work well to try to equate the two for the sake of argument.
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