Conrad73: Doesn't matter who is sitting in the White House or Congress,as long as Special Interests can get any Law written they require to stifle Competition!
TrueBlue1986: I agree, those are technical reasons for it not to work. My answer was in the terms of socialised healthcare, which is not in reality Obamacare at all - the real benefit of socialising healthcare is the fact that you can cut out the bureaucracy that is the insurers, which is not what Obama is doing. However, socialist healthcare like we have in the NHS over here could never work in America for cultural reasons, in my opinion.
As for the point on competition, I would argue that this is very industry specific, I would say that a doctor is a doctor for prestige, importance or out of a sense of compassion, more so than profit-motive. So from this the will to improve practice is inherent because the saving of lives ranks higher than acquisition of wealth in the minds of most doctors - the sense of "competition" comes from the task in hand(the caring for life)and not from whom competes against you.
I wish I could say you are right about why socialized or universal healthcare won't work in US.....I also wish I could agree on the statement concerning doctors and why they practice, I can't...
Socialized medicine won't work in the US for many reasons, cultural differences is not one of them... We have seen it fail in other countries, we have watched the quality of care being sacrificed..... socialized medicine is cost prohibitive here...this has been proven through our Medicare program....
Doctors....There are many fine facilities and some of the best doctors in the world practicing medicine in the US, sadly, we have some of the worst too...It is, for the most part, about money and prestige...the majority not only expect extraordinarily high compensation, they demand it...they feel a certain entitlement...it is one of the reasons doctors from other countries want to work here...the pay scale is very high...We also deal with medicaid doctors here...many, not all, are apathetic, they could care less about the patient and feel as though they are doing them a favor by treating them.
What need, IMO, is healthcare insurance reform..the cost of purchasing good healthcare insurance is beyond reach for the average working citizen...Malpractice law suits, mountainous amounts of paperwork, selective treatment processes, per existing exclusions, and high diagnostic costs are just some of the things driving premiums through the roof.....
patmac: Surely the American political machines have better candidates than the ones shown on this thread.....My mind is not made up yet on Obama as he has had a lot of folk trying to cut the legs from him since day one.I fail to see what the American folk are against Social Healthcare it works well in many countries.
I know we have snags every so often but that is usually because of bad management and Government interferance.....
Trump a CinC Nope I cannot see that given his past anyone could trust him at all.....
As always JMO
Obama's been treated with "kid gloves". Bush was treated 10x worse by Congress and the press. The American press is so far up Obama's butt that it would take 5 ft tongs to pull them out.
JMHO (actually it's more than opinion...it's fact)
I know you dont vote just for this reason but look at his KIDS he must be doing something right. If we keep going the Same old politics. Get out your chinese dictionary
Agreed, we need to get out of this mess but Donald won't do it. While he may have plenty of business savvy he has no political savvy whatsoever. Washington would eat him alive!!
slodrvr64: Agreed, we need to get out of this mess but Donald won't do it. While he may have plenty of business savvy he has no political savvy whatsoever. Washington would eat him alive!!
Mr. Major Combover? are you joking??? you are ....hahahahaha
Get your own self out of your own problems. How can anyone seriously put all the blame or responsibility on one person shoulders? As a nation you should shoulder your share of the problem and solution.
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
Christmasthe 1: Don't quote...what is your opinion based upon what you feel. Most voters go with "I like this one...because....he has an honest face, he said he would help single taxpayers etc etc." Not because they read "reports" put out by some analysts who screws facts to meet their paid "result".
I would just for the two reasons I explained above. China owns the US,which is an oil based society. By taking away one side of the China ownership and getting paid off in oil from Iraq the US would q1uickly reverse the economic debt and force China back to where they are dealing on level ground.
Christmas1: Don't quote...what is your opinion based upon what you feel. Most voters go with "I like this one...because....he has an honest face, he said he would help single taxpayers etc etc." Not because they read "reports" put out by some analysts who screws facts to meet their paid "result".
Albertaghost: I would just for the two reasons I explained above. China owns the US,which is an oil based society. By taking away one side of the China ownership and getting paid off in oil from Iraq the US would q1uickly reverse the economic debt and force China back to where they are dealing on level ground.
When people say China owns the US, IMO, they are wrong...US owes China 1.4 Trillion dollars, followed by Japan who owes 885 Billion dollars.....Total amount of foreign owed debt as of January 2011 is 4.45 trillion or 47%...While China is the largest "debt" holder, it is a stretch to say they own the US...Also, it is highly improbably China would ever start "dumping" it's vast holdings of US Treasury Securities.....think trade deficit......
leigh2154: When people say China owns the US, IMO, they are wrong...US owes China 1.4 Trillion dollars, followed by Japan who owes 885 Billion dollars.....Total amount of foreign owed debt as of January 2011 is 4.45 trillion or 47%...While China is the largest "debt" holder, it is a stretch to say they own the US...Also, it is highly improbably China would ever start "dumping" it's vast holdings of US Treasury Securities.....think trade deficit......
Chinaphobia has become a big political propaganda talking point. The reality is that China's trade with the US is beneficial and the CBO could find no evidence that we'd be better off taking a harsher stand with China and, in fact, would likely be worse off.
One of the other things that don't get discussed, which is clearly pertinent, is that the track record of growth in China over the last 20 years isn't going to continue because they've reached a point of diminishing returns on their investments in infrastructure and technology. The low-hanging fruit has been picked already. They will continue to become stronger, but the pace is slowing and will continue to slow in their growth as it will take ever more expensive technological advances to produce smaller returns.
Their big advantage is still cheap labor, but even that's changing and they'll be following the footsteps of every other fully industrialized country where labor costs will inevitably rise as the country becomes more affluent.
And interestingly enough, our exports to China are growing at a faster rate than with any other country.
gardenhackle: Chinaphobia has become a big political propaganda talking point. The reality is that China's trade with the US is beneficial and the CBO could find no evidence that we'd be better off taking a harsher stand with China and, in fact, would likely be worse off.
One of the other things that don't get discussed, which is clearly pertinent, is that the track record of growth in China over the last 20 years isn't going to continue because they've reached a point of diminishing returns on their investments in infrastructure and technology. The low-hanging fruit has been picked already. They will continue to become stronger, but the pace is slowing and will continue to slow in their growth as it will take ever more expensive technological advances to produce smaller returns.
Their big advantage is still cheap labor, but even that's changing and they'll be following the footsteps of every other fully industrialized country where labor costs will inevitably rise as the country becomes more affluent.
And interestingly enough, our exports to China are growing at a faster rate than with any other country.
Fabulous post Garden!!...I too am sick of Chinafobia....one of the last things US should be concerned about....that relationship is just fine...one hand washes the other!!!
gardenhackle: Chinaphobia has become a big political propaganda talking point. The reality is that China's trade with the US is beneficial and the CBO could find no evidence that we'd be better off taking a harsher stand with China and, in fact, would likely be worse off.
One of the other things that don't get discussed, which is clearly pertinent, is that the track record of growth in China over the last 20 years isn't going to continue because they've reached a point of diminishing returns on their investments in infrastructure and technology. The low-hanging fruit has been picked already. They will continue to become stronger, but the pace is slowing and will continue to slow in their growth as it will take ever more expensive technological advances to produce smaller returns.
Their big advantage is still cheap labor, but even that's changing and they'll be following the footsteps of every other fully industrialized country where labor costs will inevitably rise as the country becomes more affluent.
And interestingly enough, our exports to China are growing at a faster rate than with any other country.
China's military is becoming a "problem" for US strategic planners. Their missile technology, nascent manned space program, an aircraft carrier under construction, stealth aircraft testing, etc. are going forward at a fast pace. Someday Sarah might look out her window and see China.
Apr 16, 2011 9:11 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
gardenhackle: Chinaphobia has become a big political propaganda talking point. The reality is that China's trade with the US is beneficial and the CBO could find no evidence that we'd be better off taking a harsher stand with China and, in fact, would likely be worse off.
One of the other things that don't get discussed, which is clearly pertinent, is that the track record of growth in China over the last 20 years isn't going to continue because they've reached a point of diminishing returns on their investments in infrastructure and technology. The low-hanging fruit has been picked already. They will continue to become stronger, but the pace is slowing and will continue to slow in their growth as it will take ever more expensive technological advances to produce smaller returns.
Their big advantage is still cheap labor, but even that's changing and they'll be following the footsteps of every other fully industrialized country where labor costs will inevitably rise as the country becomes more affluent.
And interestingly enough, our exports to China are growing at a faster rate than with any other country.
The Chinese economy is still growing at 10%, which is more than a few years ago. As for China's cheap labour, that will remain for a long time to come as they still have a peasant labour force of over a billion strong, whose aspirations and expectations are from those of the West - consider that even 150 years ago we had trade union movements, China today simply doesn't have anything to compare to even back then.
TrueBlue1986: The Chinese economy is still growing at 10%, which is more than a few years ago. As for China's cheap labour, that will remain for a long time to come as they still have a peasant labour force of over a billion strong, whose aspirations and expectations are from those of the West - consider that even 150 years ago we had trade union movements, China today simply doesn't have anything to compare to even back then.
The "life" of China's low wage advantage will depend in large part on it's endowment of labor, human capital, and physical capital...Right now, China is poorly endowed in land and in capital...Average post secondary education per worker is two months... China does have a huge reserve of unskilled labor and will release it over time, however, China's population is aging...This is a reflection of their one child policy of the late 70's and the 80's...It is also reflective of longer life expectancy.....The ratio of workers to pensioners is projected to be 3 to 1 by 2030 as opposed to 10 to 1 in 1995...This will slow the pace of capital formation and modernization considerably....
Apr 16, 2011 10:30 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
leigh2154: The "life" of China's low wage advantage will depend in large part on it's endowment of labor, human capital, and physical capital...Right now, China is poorly endowed in land and in capital...Average post secondary education per worker is two months... China does have a huge reserve of unskilled labor and will release it over time, however, China's population is aging...This is a reflection of their one child policy of the late 70's and the 80's...It is also reflective of longer life expectancy.....The ratio of workers to pensioners is projected to be 3 to 1 by 2030 as opposed to 10 to 1 in 1995...This will slow the pace of capital formation and modernization considerably....
It needs more land that is for sure. A worry for Russia one day, perhaps.
On the point of ageing populations, have you seen what ours is? And is expected to be? Also, it is customary in China for the young to live and care for their elderley, here the answer is the nursing home, which ultimately creates a massive burden upon welfare state.
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