Would you vote for Donald Trump for President? (460)

Apr 14, 2011 3:32 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
ironman57321
ironman57321ironman57321Russellville,Ar., Arkansas USA247 Posts
Conrad73: Doesn't matter who is sitting in the White House or Congress,as long as Special Interests can get any Law written they require to stifle Competition!
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Apr 14, 2011 5:13 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
TrueBlue1986: I agree, those are technical reasons for it not to work. My answer was in the terms of socialised healthcare, which is not in reality Obamacare at all - the real benefit of socialising healthcare is the fact that you can cut out the bureaucracy that is the insurers, which is not what Obama is doing. However, socialist healthcare like we have in the NHS over here could never work in America for cultural reasons, in my opinion.

As for the point on competition, I would argue that this is very industry specific, I would say that a doctor is a doctor for prestige, importance or out of a sense of compassion, more so than profit-motive. So from this the will to improve practice is inherent because the saving of lives ranks higher than acquisition of wealth in the minds of most doctors - the sense of "competition" comes from the task in hand(the caring for life)and not from whom competes against you.


wave I wish I could say you are right about why socialized or universal healthcare won't work in US.....I also wish I could agree on the statement concerning doctors and why they practice, I can't...

Socialized medicine won't work in the US for many reasons, cultural differences is not one of them...
We have seen it fail in other countries, we have watched the quality of care being sacrificed..... socialized medicine is cost prohibitive here...this has been proven through our Medicare program....

Doctors....There are many fine facilities and some of the best doctors in the world practicing medicine in the US, sadly, we have some of the worst too...It is, for the most part, about money and prestige...the majority not only expect extraordinarily high compensation, they demand it...they feel a certain entitlement...it is one of the reasons doctors from other countries want to work here...the pay scale is very high...We also deal with medicaid doctors here...many, not all, are apathetic, they could care less about the patient and feel as though they are doing them a favor by treating them.

What need, IMO, is healthcare insurance reform..the cost of purchasing good healthcare insurance is beyond reach for the average working citizen...Malpractice law suits, mountainous amounts of paperwork, selective treatment processes, per existing exclusions, and high diagnostic costs are just some of the things driving premiums through the roof.....
Apr 14, 2011 7:18 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
The health care mess will sort its self out when the demand for health services falls or the supply increases. Simple economics.

What we have here is a baby boom folks. A lot of old folk need to go to the doctors almost as often as they need to pee.rolling on the floor laughing
Apr 14, 2011 7:28 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
geneva60
geneva60geneva60Toronto, Ontario Canada74 Posts
Witchaywoman: No, but I will vote for the next Democrat whomever that may be. (Hopefully not Trump. What were you thinking?)


it would never be Trump. He is a Republican.
Apr 14, 2011 7:41 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
geneva60
geneva60geneva60Toronto, Ontario Canada74 Posts
leigh2154: Oh yeah, hell no, not the Donald...I don't like his comb over......it speaks volumes about the man, nothing good!!



thank you.
Apr 14, 2011 7:43 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
drbombay
drbombaydrbombayStaten Island, New York USA42 Threads 5,391 Posts
$100,000-hell yeah! laugh
Apr 14, 2011 7:44 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
RDM_55
RDM_55RDM_55Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada2 Posts
Your a Idiot
Apr 14, 2011 7:47 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
patmac: Surely the American political machines have better candidates than the ones shown on this thread.....My mind is not made up yet on Obama as he has had a lot of folk trying to cut the legs from him since day one.I fail to see what the American folk are against Social Healthcare it works well in many countries.

I know we have snags every so often but that is usually because of bad management and Government interferance.....

Trump a CinC Nope I cannot see that given his past anyone could trust him at all.....

As always JMO


Obama's been treated with "kid gloves". Bush was treated 10x worse by Congress and the press. The American press is so far up Obama's butt that it would take 5 ft tongs to pull them out.


JMHO (actually it's more than opinion...it's fact) cheers
Apr 14, 2011 7:47 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
drbombay
drbombaydrbombayStaten Island, New York USA42 Threads 5,391 Posts
RDM_55: Your a Idiot
YOU TALKING TO ME? The least you could do is show your face as any real man would. cheers
Apr 14, 2011 7:57 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
geneva60
geneva60geneva60Toronto, Ontario Canada74 Posts
leigh2154: Would you vote for Hillary if she were to run?


Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!

oh, I am a Canuck. I don't and can't vote in the US elections.
Apr 14, 2011 8:19 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
John3405
John3405John3405Providence, Rhode Island USA6 Threads 5 Polls 24 Posts
drbombay: YOU TALKING TO ME? The least you could do is show your face as any real man would.

thumbs up thumbs up
Somebody tell him he cant vote in this country.
Unless he's a democrat!!
Apr 14, 2011 8:44 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
drbombay
drbombaydrbombayStaten Island, New York USA42 Threads 5,391 Posts
Somebody tell him he cant vote in this country.
Unless he's a democrat!![/quote TY-I was joking BUT!!!!!thumbs up handshake cheers
Apr 14, 2011 9:41 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
John3405
John3405John3405Providence, Rhode Island USA6 Threads 5 Polls 24 Posts
I know you dont vote just for this reason but look at his KIDS he must be doing something right.
If we keep going the Same old politics. Get out your chinese dictionary
Apr 15, 2011 8:36 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
leigh2154: You got that right Fud!!!!....and I for one don't get it.......


His approval rating is down to 41%.

Inflation, unemployment, massive deficites.

I'd say he's toast for 12'. yay
Apr 15, 2011 8:48 PM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
slodrvr64
slodrvr64slodrvr64mexico, Missouri USA69 Posts
Agreed, we need to get out of this mess but Donald won't do it. While he may have plenty of business savvy he has no political savvy whatsoever. Washington would eat him alive!!
Apr 16, 2011 5:54 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
geneva60
geneva60geneva60Toronto, Ontario Canada74 Posts
slodrvr64: Agreed, we need to get out of this mess but Donald won't do it. While he may have plenty of business savvy he has no political savvy whatsoever. Washington would eat him alive!!


Amen!, brother. Thank you.
Apr 16, 2011 6:09 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
Christmas1
Christmas1Christmas1Peterborough, Ontario Canada3 Threads 869 Posts
Mr. Major Combover? are you joking??? you are ....hahahahaha

Get your own self out of your own problems.
How can anyone seriously put all the blame or responsibility on one person shoulders? As a nation you should shoulder your share of the problem and solution.
Apr 16, 2011 6:12 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
ScarlettLipstick
ScarlettLipstickScarlettLipstickdunno, Metro Manila Philippines8 Threads 1 Polls 738 Posts
I would vote rumyet for president :p
Apr 16, 2011 6:24 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Christmasthe 1: Don't quote...what is your opinion based upon what you feel. Most voters go with "I like this one...because....he has an honest face, he said he would help single taxpayers etc etc." Not because they read "reports" put out by some analysts who screws facts to meet their paid "result".


I would just for the two reasons I explained above. China owns the US,which is an oil based society. By taking away one side of the China ownership and getting paid off in oil from Iraq the US would q1uickly reverse the economic debt and force China back to where they are dealing on level ground.
Apr 16, 2011 7:10 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
geneva60
geneva60geneva60Toronto, Ontario Canada74 Posts
Christmas1: Don't quote...what is your opinion based upon what you feel. Most voters go with "I like this one...because....he has an honest face, he said he would help single taxpayers etc etc." Not because they read "reports" put out by some analysts who screws facts to meet their paid "result".


thank you
Apr 16, 2011 7:38 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
Albertaghost: I would just for the two reasons I explained above. China owns the US,which is an oil based society. By taking away one side of the China ownership and getting paid off in oil from Iraq the US would q1uickly reverse the economic debt and force China back to where they are dealing on level ground.


When people say China owns the US, IMO, they are wrong...US owes China 1.4 Trillion dollars, followed by Japan who owes 885 Billion dollars.....Total amount of foreign owed debt as of January 2011 is 4.45 trillion or 47%...While China is the largest "debt" holder, it is a stretch to say they own the US...Also, it is highly improbably China would ever start "dumping" it's vast holdings of US Treasury Securities.....think trade deficit......
Apr 16, 2011 8:12 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
leigh2154: When people say China owns the US, IMO, they are wrong...US owes China 1.4 Trillion dollars, followed by Japan who owes 885 Billion dollars.....Total amount of foreign owed debt as of January 2011 is 4.45 trillion or 47%...While China is the largest "debt" holder, it is a stretch to say they own the US...Also, it is highly improbably China would ever start "dumping" it's vast holdings of US Treasury Securities.....think trade deficit......


Chinaphobia has become a big political propaganda talking point. The reality is that China's trade with the US is beneficial and the CBO could find no evidence that we'd be better off taking a harsher stand with China and, in fact, would likely be worse off.

One of the other things that don't get discussed, which is clearly pertinent, is that the track record of growth in China over the last 20 years isn't going to continue because they've reached a point of diminishing returns on their investments in infrastructure and technology. The low-hanging fruit has been picked already. They will continue to become stronger, but the pace is slowing and will continue to slow in their growth as it will take ever more expensive technological advances to produce smaller returns.

Their big advantage is still cheap labor, but even that's changing and they'll be following the footsteps of every other fully industrialized country where labor costs will inevitably rise as the country becomes more affluent.

And interestingly enough, our exports to China are growing at a faster rate than with any other country.
Apr 16, 2011 8:45 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
gardenhackle: Chinaphobia has become a big political propaganda talking point. The reality is that China's trade with the US is beneficial and the CBO could find no evidence that we'd be better off taking a harsher stand with China and, in fact, would likely be worse off.

One of the other things that don't get discussed, which is clearly pertinent, is that the track record of growth in China over the last 20 years isn't going to continue because they've reached a point of diminishing returns on their investments in infrastructure and technology. The low-hanging fruit has been picked already. They will continue to become stronger, but the pace is slowing and will continue to slow in their growth as it will take ever more expensive technological advances to produce smaller returns.

Their big advantage is still cheap labor, but even that's changing and they'll be following the footsteps of every other fully industrialized country where labor costs will inevitably rise as the country becomes more affluent.

And interestingly enough, our exports to China are growing at a faster rate than with any other country.


Fabulous post Garden!!...I too am sick of Chinafobia....one of the last things US should be concerned about....that relationship is just fine...one hand washes the other!!!cheers
Apr 16, 2011 9:05 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
gardenhackle: Chinaphobia has become a big political propaganda talking point. The reality is that China's trade with the US is beneficial and the CBO could find no evidence that we'd be better off taking a harsher stand with China and, in fact, would likely be worse off.

One of the other things that don't get discussed, which is clearly pertinent, is that the track record of growth in China over the last 20 years isn't going to continue because they've reached a point of diminishing returns on their investments in infrastructure and technology. The low-hanging fruit has been picked already. They will continue to become stronger, but the pace is slowing and will continue to slow in their growth as it will take ever more expensive technological advances to produce smaller returns.

Their big advantage is still cheap labor, but even that's changing and they'll be following the footsteps of every other fully industrialized country where labor costs will inevitably rise as the country becomes more affluent.

And interestingly enough, our exports to China are growing at a faster rate than with any other country.


China's military is becoming a "problem" for US strategic planners. Their missile technology, nascent manned space program, an aircraft carrier under construction, stealth aircraft testing, etc. are going forward at a fast pace. Someday Sarah might look out her window and see China.grin
Apr 16, 2011 9:11 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
gardenhackle: Chinaphobia has become a big political propaganda talking point. The reality is that China's trade with the US is beneficial and the CBO could find no evidence that we'd be better off taking a harsher stand with China and, in fact, would likely be worse off.

One of the other things that don't get discussed, which is clearly pertinent, is that the track record of growth in China over the last 20 years isn't going to continue because they've reached a point of diminishing returns on their investments in infrastructure and technology. The low-hanging fruit has been picked already. They will continue to become stronger, but the pace is slowing and will continue to slow in their growth as it will take ever more expensive technological advances to produce smaller returns.

Their big advantage is still cheap labor, but even that's changing and they'll be following the footsteps of every other fully industrialized country where labor costs will inevitably rise as the country becomes more affluent.

And interestingly enough, our exports to China are growing at a faster rate than with any other country.


The Chinese economy is still growing at 10%, which is more than a few years ago. As for China's cheap labour, that will remain for a long time to come as they still have a peasant labour force of over a billion strong, whose aspirations and expectations are from those of the West - consider that even 150 years ago we had trade union movements, China today simply doesn't have anything to compare to even back then.
Apr 16, 2011 10:22 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
TrueBlue1986: The Chinese economy is still growing at 10%, which is more than a few years ago. As for China's cheap labour, that will remain for a long time to come as they still have a peasant labour force of over a billion strong, whose aspirations and expectations are from those of the West - consider that even 150 years ago we had trade union movements, China today simply doesn't have anything to compare to even back then.


The "life" of China's low wage advantage will depend in large part on it's endowment of labor, human capital, and physical capital...Right now, China is poorly endowed in land and in capital...Average post secondary education per worker is two months...
China does have a huge reserve of unskilled labor and will release it over time, however, China's population is aging...This is a reflection of their one child policy of the late 70's and the 80's...It is also reflective of longer life expectancy.....The ratio of workers to pensioners is projected to be 3 to 1 by 2030 as opposed to 10 to 1 in 1995...This will slow the pace of capital formation and modernization considerably....
Apr 16, 2011 10:26 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
jahzah
jahzahjahzahHappyfairygoblinland, Victoria Australia19 Threads 2 Polls 2,574 Posts
Couldn't be any worse than any other monkey thats been elected....
As if it really makes a difference
Apr 16, 2011 10:30 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
jahzah: Couldn't be any worse than any other monkey thats been elected....
As if it really makes a difference



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Apr 16, 2011 10:30 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
leigh2154: The "life" of China's low wage advantage will depend in large part on it's endowment of labor, human capital, and physical capital...Right now, China is poorly endowed in land and in capital...Average post secondary education per worker is two months...
China does have a huge reserve of unskilled labor and will release it over time, however, China's population is aging...This is a reflection of their one child policy of the late 70's and the 80's...It is also reflective of longer life expectancy.....The ratio of workers to pensioners is projected to be 3 to 1 by 2030 as opposed to 10 to 1 in 1995...This will slow the pace of capital formation and modernization considerably....


It needs more land that is for sure. A worry for Russia one day, perhaps.

On the point of ageing populations, have you seen what ours is? And is expected to be? Also, it is customary in China for the young to live and care for their elderley, here the answer is the nursing home, which ultimately creates a massive burden upon welfare state.
Apr 16, 2011 10:32 AM CST Would you vote for Donald Trump for President?
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
jahzah: Couldn't be any worse than any other monkey thats been elected....
As if it really makes a difference


Meant to post a thumbs down:

Probably doesn't matter one way or the other though!!laugh laugh


But as to you post Jahzah...thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down

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