Albertaghost: I quoted you and then asked you to qualify your quote which you have yet to do. You are right. in the history of demolition and fires this has never happened before. So how may demolitions and fires were caused by airliners being crashed into hundred story skyscrapers at hundred of miles per hour loaded with hundreds of thousands of pounds of jet fuel Mystr?
I'm not. I just am waiting for you to answer my question so we can move ahead with this very important topic. You on the other hand seem to be hiding for some reason and will not qualify your contention.
Have you ever set a stick of dynamite off tied to a string hanging from a tree limb? you would think that it would blow the limb off the tree or blow the tree apart, it wont, just makes a really loud boom and blows some leaves off.
now drill a hole in the tree and insert that same stick of dynamite and plug the hole and it will blow the tree in half. but only in that spot.
Ok, now consider the trade centers as really big trees that you tied a stick of dynamite to the tree and detonated. what you will find is although you had a sufficient amount of explosive, it was wasted because its energy was allowed to escape outside and not trapped within for compression to expand and blow apart the tree in that spot that the charge should have been placed within.
why the theory that the planes brought those buildings down cannot work is the way the building were engineered, they were built like a giant fly trap/screen, with massive interlocking individual panels on all 4 sides 1000 ft in the air with massive re-enforced steel and concrete core columns that were set deep withing the ground and foundations to ensure that any energy at any upper level would merely cause the buildings to sway away from any released energy/earthquake,hurricane,tornado,downdrafts,airplanes. it was engineered this way specifically. if all the core columns and outer meshes from where the plane hit were to have been sheared simultaneously, the only thing that might have occurred would have been #1 the upper section of the building would have settled on top its lower floor, or #2 the upper section of the building would have slid off in one piece and crashed to the ground "intact"
even if a detonation of the magnitude of all the fuel were to have occurred within the building, the result would have been primarily the same, the building wouldn't have disintegrated into pulverized dust and ejected all the interior core columns outside the structure to ground level...just cannot happen unless all the floors were released to allow a free fall affect as was witnessed by billions.
common sense and laws of physics dictate this
what are the odds of 3 building doing this within hour of each other, and one not ever even getting hit by an airplane.
take a look at the Oklahoma city bombing and you will get the picture of what real high explosive can do to a building "not contained within" and subsequently did not collapse
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
Mystyr: Have you ever set a stick of dynamite off tied to a string hanging from a tree limb?
I'm still waiting for you to expound on the original statement that you made;
"in the history of building demolition and building fires this occurs where its never happened "EVER" before "
You are right. in the history of demolition and fires this has never happened before. So how may demolitions and fires were caused by airliners being crashed into hundred story skyscrapers at hundred of miles per hour loaded with hundreds of thousands of pounds of jet fuel Mystr?
Seems you cannot concentrate long enough to make a point and have to run all over the place so, can hardly be considered as a reliable source of anything until this is addressed and settled.
Albertaghost: I'm still waiting for you to expound on the original statement that you made;
"in the history of building demolition and building fires this occurs where its never happened "EVER" before "
You are right. in the history of demolition and fires this has never happened before. So how may demolitions and fires were caused by airliners being crashed into hundred story skyscrapers at hundred of miles per hour loaded with hundreds of thousands of pounds of jet fuel Mystr?
Seems you cannot concentrate long enough to make a point and have to run all over the place so, can hardly be considered as a reliable source of anything until this is addressed and settled.
i well than made my point and any other point is moot in contrast to reality. it doesn't matter whether it may have never happened before and you know this. you are just trolling.
Mystyr: i well than made my point and any other point is moot in contrast to reality. it doesn't matter whether it may have never happened before and you know this. you are just trolling.
but i did share to your enthusiasm
wow mystryr have you not seen the current pakistan news and the u.s current news about finding bin ladens current videos ? Including the neighbor reports about the helicopter crash on the mansions wall that evening? Or about how the children who played with bin ladens kids and what the neighbors said about them? there is overwhelming evidence about bin laden "being alive" before he was killed a week ago by the navy seals..Including the U.S is requesting Bin ladens "widows" so they can get more information about him..One of Bin Ladens sons was also killed during the raid..I dont see how you can continue on with your conspiracy theories whith all the current evidence that is being unveiled.
lets reconstruct this trade center building scenario, except instead of using an airplane lets detonate a 1 kiloton atom bomb 2 miles away at an altitude of 500 ft. chances are the only thing that would happen is all the glass would be blown out of the building and it would be severely scorched and possibly it might fall over...POSSIBLY?
it would not fall within its footprint to ground level ejecting all its core columns out from within its self
Mystyr: lets reconstruct this trade center building scenario, except instead of using an airplane lets detonate a 1 kiloton atom bomb 2 miles away at an altitude of 500 ft. chances are the only thing that would happen is all the glass would be blown out of the building and it would be severely scorched and possibly it might fall over...POSSIBLY?
it would not fall within its footprint to ground level ejecting all its core columns out from within its self
your not watching the current news with all the new evidence they found in bin ladens home..including the videos of him in his house, neighbor reports about the family, his sons death while trying to protect bin laden in the raid, ect..None of your conspiracy theories have been proven..The U.S is currently trying to get bin ladens widows so they can ask further questions too. Try googling the pakistan news and keep with current facts.. it might help..
Mystyr: you've proven nothing other than you speculate some well paid laboratories findings. even the engineers of the trade center said it didn't happen the way the government claimed. don't you think these engineers knew to parsec what that building could take?
dont you think that all the engineering specs researched by the atomic energy commission had anything to do with the specs and materials put into those towers and that their expertise would have calculated all scenarios before those buildings went off the drawing board to practical application
come on. you are nuts
well maybe you could fly to pakistan and ask bin ladens neighbors and "witnesses" to bin laden being alive and living in that mansion..i doubt the neighbors are lying too..your theory about bin laden being dead for years was proven wrong..the current videos they found in bin ladens home also shows him using current technology to view and make more videos, including the new ones he was making of himself proclaiming to make more threats..more evidence keeps coming out all the time but yet you claim everyone is lying..the media cant force neighbors to lie and do everything..
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
Mystyr: you've proven nothing other than you speculate some well paid laboratories findings. even the engineers of the trade center said it didn't happen the way the government claimed. don't you think these engineers knew to parsec what that building could take?
Huh? I haven't even tried to prove anything but rather only asked you to provide backing for your claim.
Like pay attention please, you're missing a good thread here.
Mystyr: dont you think that all the engineering specs researched by the atomic energy commission had anything to do with the specs and materials put into those towers and that their expertise would have calculated all scenarios before those buildings went off the drawing board to practical application
come on. you are nuts
See, the problem is that you stated something and I asked a question about it. Then you ran away and came back with all sorts of unrelated information (including an atomic bomb for crying out loud) in order to not have to answer the question. In fact, you got so kerfuffled that you actually think that I have attempted to prove something when I, as yet, have not.
I merely wanted you to expand on your assertion of;
I'm still waiting for you to expound on the original statement that you made;
"in the history of building demolition and building fires this occurs where its never happened "EVER" before "
You are right. in the history of demolition and fires this has never happened before. So how many demolitions and fires were caused by airliners being crashed into hundred story skyscrapers at hundred of miles per hour loaded with hundreds of thousands of pounds of jet fuel Mystr?
Albertaghost: Now you're putting words in the mouths of others huh? Nobody has ever said he had unlimited funding or personnel.
Provide the quotes from reliable sources please.
he had several hundred million of his own money, lets put into perspective how much damage you could do to any country with just , lets say 5 million? now supposedly he pulled off 911 with just a little over $100,000
Boban1: neither of them. btw, does Bin Laden really look like a master mind to you???
I don`t think so...
I was told they is a slim line beteewn Genius and redartdation. BBi Lden took the claim and ws laughing stating that he never thought the towers would fall. He also chose the 8 pilots to fly those plane or death. No one thinks about those who Bin Lauden ordered those pilots to do this attact.It was either that be killed for treason
Mnay times Obama turns to the younger Bush,Clinton, Carter and Senator Clinton on major decisions and they comply leading him in a decision. These past presidents, were all in the middleat cres and knew more than Obama.
Albertaghost: Huh? I haven't even tried to prove anything but rather only asked you to provide backing for your claim.
Like pay attention please, you're missing a good thread here. See, the problem is that you stated something and I asked a question about it. Then you ran away and came back with all sorts of unrelated information (including an atomic bomb for crying out loud) in order to not have to answer the question. In fact, you got so kerfuffled that you actually think that I have attempted to prove something when I, as yet, have not.
I merely wanted you to expand on your assertion of;I'm still waiting for you to expound on the original statement that you made;
"in the history of building demolition and building fires this occurs where its never happened "EVER" before "
You are right. in the history of demolition and fires this has never happened before. So how many demolitions and fires were caused by airliners being crashed into hundred story skyscrapers at hundred of miles per hour loaded with hundreds of thousands of pounds of jet fuel Mystr?
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
Mystyr: YES YOU ARE
And you have such a weak case that you have to falsify quotes of others to insult them with and, break a cardinal rule of forums in which a quote of another is the one thing that is viewed as an undeniable fact of their position.
You could have searched for a quote to support your weak position but instead, falsified the words of another in order to insult them.
Myster: Those bulings had all the specs and protectin from fire, But the first hit of the planes from the explosion blew out the fire guard material behind walls and in ceilings, prior to the huge explosion by the force and the extreme heat.
Mystyr: lets reconstruct this trade center building scenario, except instead of using an airplane lets detonate a 1 kiloton atom bomb 2 miles away at an altitude of 500 ft. chances are the only thing that would happen is all the glass would be blown out of the building and it would be severely scorched and possibly it might fall over...POSSIBLY?
it would not fall within its footprint to ground level ejecting all its core columns out from within its self
Yep,it would be the same Pinpoint-Application of Force the Plane had!
Mystyr: you've proven nothing other than you speculate some well paid laboratories findings. even the engineers of the trade center said it didn't happen the way the government claimed. don't you think these engineers knew to parsec what that building could take?
dont you think that all the engineering specs researched by the atomic energy commission had anything to do with the specs and materials put into those towers and that their expertise would have calculated all scenarios before those buildings went off the drawing board to practical application
come on. you are nuts
1 Parsec = 3.08568025 × 1016 meters
3.26 light-years, or just under 31 trillion (3.1×1013) kilometres
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