evewryone looked at the same information and came to the same conclusion...the cia is not controled by the president its a congressional body that reports to the president the information. nations all over the world as well as members of congress fromn both sides...same thing.....we had a huge intelligence stumble because there was no centeralized control of investigative bodies.....bush lied who died" is notihng but a cliche buzz phrase.and is grossly mis-leading
yeh....did more in 6 months to make us weak and vulnerable.... while clinton was busy being nice to everyone.....ppl were plotting...while clinton was being a diplomat...people were killing us...some "things" clinton's adminstration brought us: hobar towers the first world trade cnter attack the cole our embasies in kenya and tanzenia (sp?) the build up and coimming to power of the taliban iraq now: not business as usual as many would like us to believe...a new aproach that at least according to the people i know personaly over there...is actualy working iraq needs one more thing now....for IRAQ to continue taking responsability for its own nation. but in the meantime.... to anounce exactly when you intend to leave to your enemy has never gone down in history as one of the great strategy of wars what we are doing the laste 4 weeks is WORKING!!!.....ITS WORKING but god forbid anyone give the US credit or anything right? cant possibly be that we did some good could it?
I couldnt resist this one...... my thoughts: Should we have gone in? well, no one disagrees that the guy (saddam) was a pretty vicious dude. should we have done it? eventualy probably. ..but we're there....so now waht...all the "shouldnt have" in the world wont do any good. Withdrawl date?...would you if you owned a bank announce when you'r security team wasnt on duty?..... I wont deny this is a very poorly strategized war....the powers that be dropped the ball...i tend to agrea with the Powell doctrine of "overwhelming force". War sucks...its ugly...lot of people die. there is no such thing as a gentle war or a politicly correct war or a war where civilians dont die....sometimes lots of them.... i do believe its time the iraqi govt stepped up to the plate and grabbed its own country by the balls....many of my countrymen died so they could have the opertunity to do so....as well as a great number of their countrymen...they alone should be incentive enough. Although they are starting to get a grip on their own country....and talking to a great many servicemen who've been there....alot of the country is pretty secure despite the media hype....there alot of work to be done and iraq is taking more and more responsibility and there is a loosly functioning ELECTED government. lets not forget how long it took to form our own functioning democratic government. and if im not mistaken....27 years to draft, agrea upon and ratify our own constitution.....iraq has done this in less than 3 years.. nothing short of a mirical in terms of governmental time. lets not forget either when we talk about civil war over there taht we ouirselves were devided once in the growing pains of our country. nations arent built in months or even a few years.
theres a group in my town...actualy their an international group....a religious commune called the 12 tribes...they do EVERYTHING...they have their own printers, food sulppliers, construction...they have several resturants in the area.... the contractors do work in the area and its some of the finest available. Its entirely a self contained commnuity...anything that is needed is provided within....they all seem very happy with it. Also.....they put out some of the BEST folk type music Ive ever heard. Kinda a blend of bluegrass/hebrew/folk
very delicately....my first experience was a DISASTER they never got along, faught constantly This time i took it slowly (and she had a much better personality) and they get along GREAT...their best of friends with my current lady take it slow.....just bring her in as a friend to them as apposed to a step parent for now
I actualy saw the mayor of san Fransisco say just that; "dis-band our military, we dont need it" those kind of people scare the hell out of me...scares me even more to see them come into power of some sort
thats gonna hurt after a while dude yeh...we all feel this way sometimes....I myself reply to threads selectivly....usualy based on content I dibe into political threads like a rabid dog.... there are a number of threads Ive never even opened Its not people based...i try to welcome any newcommers though
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RE: A British View on the Iraq Fiasco
evewryone looked at the same information and came to thesame conclusion...the cia is not controled by the president
its a congressional body that reports to the president the information. nations all over the world as well as members
of congress fromn both sides...same thing.....we had a huge
intelligence stumble because there was no centeralized control
of investigative bodies.....bush lied who died" is notihng but
a cliche buzz phrase.and is grossly mis-leading