CHURCH BUILDINGS ( Archived) (38)

Feb 28, 2015 6:59 AM CSTCHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England, UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts

CHURCH BUILDINGS(Vote Below)

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For worship and Church Goers
23
66%
Shelter for homeless people
3
9%
Pre-schools
0
0%
Private residential premises
1
3%
Community hall
2
6%
Food and Crafts Market Place
1
3%
Theatre and Concerts
1
3%
Cinema
1
3%
Eating Place
3
9%
Heritage organisation eg. National Trust
0
0%
Total Votes
35
I really value our Churches and Cathedrals and I believe that everyone should have free access to them. How can it best serve the community and at the same time draw revenue for conservation.

This not about religion and is strictly about it's use.

Churches already have shops selling their wares and our Cathedral is charging sightseers an entrance fee so the jury is already out on that one.
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Feb 28, 2015 7:07 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
RainComeShine: I really value our Churches and Cathedrals and I believe that everyone should have free access to them. How can it best serve the community and at the same time draw revenue for conservation.

This not about religion and is strictly about it's use.

Churches already have shops selling their wares and our Cathedral is charging sightseers an entrance fee so the jury is already out on that one.


They should be free to all. The Cathedrals of Europe are awe-inspiring to behold and magnificent to think that it took generations of labour to build them. They're a triumph of the Human spirit regardless of your own beliefs and it's nice to see something that stands the test of time in the plastic age of today where we make our own homes out of lego bricks.
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Feb 28, 2015 7:40 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
Obstinance_Works: They should be free to all. The Cathedrals of Europe are awe-inspiring to behold and magnificent to think that it took generations of labour to build them. They're a triumph of the Human spirit regardless of your own beliefs and it's nice to see something that stands the test of time in the plastic age of today where we make our own homes out of lego bricks.
My Ex husband refused to go in a church because many people died during construction. I seem to have the opposite view that there's all the more reason to preserve them and the amazing skills and courage of the past.
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Feb 28, 2015 7:48 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
RainComeShine: My Ex husband refused to go in a church because many people died during construction. I seem to have the opposite view that there's all the more reason to preserve them and the amazing skills and courage of the past.


I'm glad we agree today.
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Feb 28, 2015 7:59 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
Obstinance_Works: I'm glad we agree today.
I think we often mis understand one another. I am a bit clumsy with my words. Yes it's always nice when someone gets your point of view but interesting to hear others too.
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Feb 28, 2015 8:08 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
pedalguy59
pedalguy59pedalguy59Burlington, Ontario Canada28 Threads 1 Polls 6,976 Posts
The truth is, they serve most of those functions?thumbs up
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Feb 28, 2015 8:09 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
RainComeShine: I think we often mis understand one another. I am a bit clumsy with my words. Yes it's always nice when someone gets your point of view but interesting to hear others too.


I was brusque with you unnecessarily and you didn't deserve that.

Which Cathedral is it they're charging to let you in? I always make a donation anyway, but I'm disappointed it's not subsidised so that anyone can go as much as they want without having to pay. It doesn't seem very Christian to charge a fee and it's sad if that's the only the option the Christians have left.
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Feb 28, 2015 8:14 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
Obstinance_Works: I was brusque with you unnecessarily and you didn't deserve that.

Which Cathedral is it they're charging to let you in? I always make a donation anyway, but I'm disappointed it's not subsidised so that anyone can go as much as they want without having to pay. It doesn't seem very Christian to charge a fee and it's sad if that's the only the option the Christians have left.
that's fine! It's Exeter. The charge was £7 for visitors to the city but I was recently told they'd been trying a charge of £10. It is definitely worth a visit. More later. i have visitors on their way. peace
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Feb 28, 2015 8:16 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
pedalguy59: The truth is, they serve most of those functions?
Yes and they should too I think.
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Feb 28, 2015 8:16 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
I am not religious, but I love the peace and tranquillity of churches.

I went to the Vatican and was not too impressed, but when I was in the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona, it literally took my breath away.

I don't mind paying a donation as the upkeep is expensive, and they generally are open to all, and people get benefit from them.
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Feb 28, 2015 8:19 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
pedalguy59
pedalguy59pedalguy59Burlington, Ontario Canada28 Threads 1 Polls 6,976 Posts
RainComeShine: I really value our Churches and Cathedrals and I believe that everyone should have free access to them. How can it best serve the community and at the same time draw revenue for conservation.

This not about religion and is strictly about it's use.

Churches already have shops selling their wares and our Cathedral is charging sightseers an entrance fee so the jury is already out on that one.



I did giggle a lot in Sunday School because it was so quiet and
you were not supposed to.grin
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Feb 28, 2015 8:22 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
RainComeShine: that's fine! It's Exeter. The charge was £7 for visitors to the city but I was recently told they'd been trying a charge of £10. It is definitely worth a visit. More later. i have visitors on their way.


Now that I recall I think York was charging on entry, too. The last two I visited were both in France and they didn't charge. But that's the good old French; they'd riot if they raised the price of cheese.
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Feb 28, 2015 10:14 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
I think their use should be a decision of the parish. most are open but in cities here some are locked when services are not held because of past thefts & other crimes.

The parish supports the facility financially so it should be their decisions as to the uses, but most parishes like to rent the peripheral facilities as income. But still, they are private facilities so it is up to the parish as it should be.
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Feb 28, 2015 10:30 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
The ancient churches aren't just for religious celebrations but for visitors to enjoy its art and architecture.

In fact, here some temples are under the surveillance of cultural authorities to make compatible both uses, even concerts.
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Feb 28, 2015 10:33 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
RainComeShine: I really value our Churches and Cathedrals and I believe that everyone should have free access to them. How can it best serve the community and at the same time draw revenue for conservation.

This not about religion and is strictly about it's use.

Churches already have shops selling their wares and our Cathedral is charging sightseers an entrance fee so the jury is already out on that one.


-Churches must pay taxes on their “income” from visitors and from charity (visiting churches in Europe is very expensive!)

Also we do have some camera concerts at the Cathedral and other churches but they are free and they are just astonishing.

Rather than to invade the great Church buildings, we should consider making an adjustment to politicians’ salaries and to the governments way of spending their budget, after that we talk about touching historical buildings.


coffee
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Feb 28, 2015 11:45 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
lifeisadream: -Churches must pay taxes on their “income” from visitors and from charity (visiting churches in Europe is very expensive!)

Also we do have some camera concerts at the Cathedral and other churches but they are free and they are just astonishing.

Rather than to invade the great Church buildings, we should consider making an adjustment to politicians’ salaries and to the governments way of spending their budget, after that we talk about touching historical buildings.
Yes and I imagine they pay taxes here too. I was buying gifts for my grandchildren's Christening and I was very shocked and offended by some of the heartless and egotistical merchandise that was being sold in the name of God. I also heard two members of staff being very rude about another member of staff. I just didn't expect any of that in a church.

I really don't like that side of what Churches are doing. I just wish there were more useful ways for them to accumulate money that also benefit their parish. I really like the whole community participation you talk of. handshake
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Feb 28, 2015 11:47 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
GUZMAN1: The ancient churches aren't just for religious celebrations but for visitors to enjoy its art and architecture.

In fact, here some temples are under the surveillance of cultural authorities to make compatible both uses, even concerts.
Yes these buildings bring so much pleasure.
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Feb 28, 2015 11:55 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
pedalguy59: I did giggle a lot in Sunday School because it was so quiet and
you were not supposed to.
Oh dear I think we all did that. I only went because they had paper and paints. I was so young that it all went over my head and I think I asked too many questions.
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Feb 28, 2015 11:58 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
felixis99: I think their use should be a decision of the parish. most are open but in cities here some are locked when services are not held because of past thefts & other crimes.

The parish supports the facility financially so it should be their decisions as to the uses, but most parishes like to rent the peripheral facilities as income. But still, they are private facilities so it is up to the parish as it should be.
Just so long as it doesn't become a big them and us thing because I think it will just crumble eventually.
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Feb 28, 2015 11:59 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
GUZMAN1: The ancient churches aren't just for religious celebrations but for visitors to enjoy its art and architecture.

In fact, here some temples are under the surveillance of cultural authorities to make compatible both uses, even concerts.
That sounds like a marvellous way to go. thumbs up
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Feb 28, 2015 12:03 PM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
mollybaby: I am not religious, but I love the peace and tranquillity of churches.

I went to the Vatican and was not too impressed, but when I was in the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona, it literally took my breath away.

I don't mind paying a donation as the upkeep is expensive, and they generally are open to all, and people get benefit from them.
I'm also not religious but was brought up in Christian Schools with quite high morals.

I have to admit that the Vatican did take my breath away.
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Feb 28, 2015 12:06 PM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
RainComeShine: I'm also not religious but was brought up in Christian Schools with quite high morals.

I have to admit that the Vatican did take my breath away.
I love some of the redundant Monasteries and Convents that have been converted into living accommodation too; such tranquil settings too.
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Feb 28, 2015 12:13 PM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Now that I recall I think York was charging on entry, too. The last two I visited were both in France and they didn't charge. But that's the good old French; they'd riot if they raised the price of cheese.
I remember visiting the home town of Jeanne d'Arch and we could scrabble through the buildings free of charge. They were ruins.
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Feb 28, 2015 12:22 PM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
RainComeShine: That sounds like a marvellous way to go.


Here prices of entrance are also questioned, and the same to dress rules (shorts are considered inadequate, for example).
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Feb 28, 2015 12:33 PM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine: Just so long as it doesn't become a big them and us thing because I think it will just crumble eventually.


I am not sure I know what you mean. I am just stating how it is in the US. Churches do not pay tax here. They are privately held with their use determined by the parish....I also happen to agree (decisions should go to those financially vested)....but that is also just a matter of fact here.dunno

They also cannot violate civil law here.
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Feb 28, 2015 3:55 PM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
GUZMAN1: Here prices of entrance are also questioned, and the same to dress rules (shorts are considered inadequate, for example).
I guess they can't risk opening the flood gates.
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Feb 28, 2015 4:35 PM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
felixis99: I am not sure I know what you mean. I am just stating how it is in the US. Churches do not pay tax here. They are privately held with their use determined by the parish....I also happen to agree (decisions should go to those financially vested)....but that is also just a matter of fact here.

They also cannot violate civil law here.
I think our churches are mostly owned by the Church of England and actually the Queen. They have been selling them off for years now and I think things are a little more relaxed here with regards to usage but it would have to be passed by the hierarchy.
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Feb 28, 2015 11:12 PM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
Condor009
Condor009Condor009Victoria, British Columbia Canada200 Posts
RainComeShine: I really value our Churches and Cathedrals and I believe that everyone should have free access to them. How can it best serve the community and at the same time draw revenue for conservation.

This not about religion and is strictly about it's use.

Churches already have shops selling their wares and our Cathedral is charging sightseers an entrance fee so the jury is already out on that one.


Some people have purchased them and converted them into homes. Some are just fantastic. When I lived in Canada I found several for sale, but sadly they were all in the prairies and all , and moving any would be more than they would be worth. I’m now finally getting an old, long abandoned church from the archdiocese near where I live to either renovate or move to my place for almost nothing.cheering Always wanted to live in an old church.
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Mar 1, 2015 10:11 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
Condor009: Some people have purchased them and converted them into homes. Some are just fantastic. When I lived in Canada I found several for sale, but sadly they were all in the prairies and all , and moving any would be more than they would be worth. I’m now finally getting an old, long abandoned church from the archdiocese near where I live to either renovate or move to my place for almost nothing. Always wanted to live in an old church.
That's fantastic. I have always wanted to as well. It would be nice to see how it progresses. thumbs up
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Mar 1, 2015 10:57 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
RainComeShine: I love some of the redundant Monasteries and Convents that have been converted into living accommodation too; such tranquil settings too.


In Spain , they have converted old monasteries, etc., into high class hotels (paradores). Some are spectacular.
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Mar 1, 2015 11:35 AM CST CHURCH BUILDINGS
RainComeShine
RainComeShineRainComeShineDevon, England UK22 Threads 22 Polls 425 Posts
mollybaby: In Spain , they have converted old monasteries, etc., into high class hotels (paradores). Some are spectacular.
I think that's great. Why waste the man power that went into building these amazing places and they're often in wonderful settings too.
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