Tolerance

Tolerance

There is one guy from Finland on this site who continually publishes blogs full of intolerance, deleting all comments that express different views. In reaction to this, I want to share words – dear to me – written by Ibn al’Arabi, an scholar of Islam of the 13th century. (Please note: translation of a translation, therefore not 100% accurate.)

"When it comes to speaking about God, all religious teachings agree, there is no space for deviation, and it is not permitted to have any doubt whatsoever about their value (merit?). But God the Almighty is beyond human comprehension, He can be described only with inadequate comparisons, and so each religion gives inadequate explanations according to the inadequacies of its followers. Someone ... who has a sublime conception (vision?) of God should realise that this conception (vision?) is nevertheless inadequate and therefore should respect those of all other human beings."
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Very simple, true words...
AMEN!!!

100% salute!!
THANKS:)
Hope u enlighten him with this!!!
Go0d job/bl0g!
Yeah. I'm not religious but this makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than the tripe dished out elsewhere.

I trust you won't delete me. grin
Whats up Nature!?

Yep, I agree. Let people believe what they want...after all, no one knows the truth anyways cool
Yes, it is sad to see such intolerance and name-calling by such a member towards other members.
Almost forgot...while on the subject...Last week,there was a great protest-action outside a Swedish artist´s mansion,-Lars Vilks,-where the "tolerant" people shouted "death","kill",and much more....to this "intolerant" man...Now,-the reason he should die was simple,-he draw prophet Mohammed...and therefore death was the ultimate solution....Governement and opposition where very careful to condemn these threaths,-but eventually they called him(!!!),intolerant...Funny!!!There was a debate a while ago,-where someone for some reason brought up the mutilation of women in Somalia,-and doing that....,-he got called "intolerant"...A school in a small town in Sweden,-backed off,-when a certain community craved that their children shouldn´t participate in certain lessons,-religion,gymnastics and music-classes,-reason...playing gpiano/drums where "blashfemy",and could anger God!!!!So of course,this school backs off,-since they where called "intolerant"...Has anyone monopoly on intolreance???
naturelove73, pls delete him .treat him with his one medicine.handshake
Fielder without borders rolling on the floor laughing
Fielder without borders
his right name is fieldir , my dear , not fielder.and on my last post i meant "his own medicine ",not one.DELETE AND ERASE HIM
one thing i say: men who are seeds of evil,will support evil and evil men and evil women,but those who are seeds of good from God,
they will support good and righteousness and good men and good women.so all you who know not God here;you speak evil against him and against truth,and against your neighbours that have good in themselves.
therefore you love do evil ,because is no love from God in you!!!for if it is love in you:you would not listen evil .
So God will punish you perfectly much better and more worse than any evil men !
Because God know your sin,and evil men know not your sin!
so devil will encourage you to do more evil,will give you great hate and evil in you to sin and do more you guilty against truth and against God and against men !
So you should be afraid from God who can punish you.
for evil has no power over good,but good has power over evil to destroy !
FIELNTIR, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT BAD MAN, but you r not alone in the world, not anyone anointed u as THE beacon of truth. This is your opinion and to respect IT ,you too have to respect others. Until then, u will only manage us to believe , that you are graphic or suffer from severe brain damage. and now, what you do that at this vlong can not we delete;confused dunno handshake
alfibarios;
FIELNTIR, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT BAD MAN, but you r not alone in the world, not anyone anointed u as THE beacon of truth. This is your opinion and to respect IT ,you too have to respect others. Until then, u will only manage us to believe , that you are graphic or suffer from severe brain damage. and now, what you do that at this vlong can not we delete;

answer:

no alfibaros; is not so as you say here:if i speak truth and you reject,is so that you will reject also from other men who have truth like me. why because you know not God,till you learn him and beleive and obey !
i don,t force you or any one to believe me;i leave you and every one free, with free will to decide for it !
i am not suffering from severe brain damage, if you do so,because those who are sick from brain damage; are not able to speak much truth from God as i do !!!
so don,t humiliate and don,t sin in this to say falsely against me and truth!
If he delete me or not, is not my problem, and i still love him and forgive him any way,even if he delete or do sin against me.
i love every one as i love my self! this God know ,thats why i obey his law ,and who obey his law:he forgive always every one and love, because the law was made to free all men from evil and sin and so to have love and forgiveness everyone and not be guilty any one of the sin .so i am not here to punish you or any one,but just to clear the mistake or wrong and instead give true
things that the mistake be deleted !
thats why i came here!
God bless, and may love you all and forgive your sin,for evil men are not evil,but the sin is evil in them and so they do evil, but they will be saved too from sin:when they repent and improve and obey God.
God loves all , therefore he will forgive all, also forgive evil men and save them from sin !
if not soon ,yes later after good men are saved first!

nice day!
To alfibarios:
No I won't delete fieldir, but I have nothing to say concerning his contribution, the answer actually is the words I have already cited.
To fieldir:
Why do you see evil in everything and everyone here??? Certainly not all Muslims would agree with these words. This is his personal opinion.
To magna1:
In my view, tolerance means not considering my own view, opinion, belief as the absolute truth. And it also means that we try to avoid hurting other people's feelings when it is not really necessary.
I don't know what kind of drawings Lars Vilks made of Mohammed, but I remember those cartoons of Mohammed some time ago, I think it was in Denmark(?). In a tolerant world, the one side would not shout "death" or "kill him" on seeing these caricatures, but in the very first place the other side would not even draw them, since it would be well aware that it will hurt other people's feelings without any real necessity.
Some other things include not just tolerance, but also mutual respect. For example: immigration. before moving to another country, I have to answer - for myself - the question, can I go there, do I want to learn the language and respect and show some degree of adaptation to that culture or not - and if no, I just would not go there. And if both sides show some effort (like me migrating to that country and partially adapting and the people of that country accepting that I am still somewhat different), there would be no "immigration problem"
There are many aspects of tolerance, and when one side complains about intolerance, it's very often both sides' responsibility.
hi mr.naturelover73,
Sorry to interfere,, we also want to kn0w mr.fieldir's answers so pls. D0nt delete his p0sts,
Since he was answering all your questi0ns,,, mybe he would answer me too,,
Mr.Fielder,
You sent me email last time that i can ask u and u will answer it all,, i p0sted it 2 ur bl0g but u deleted it... Instead u email me and accused me that im a sinner,sent by evil and d0nt kn0w anything bout God and Jesus Christ...
Who do u think u are to judge me And my beliefs???
Is your God who told u to step 0n us??
To alfibarios:
No I won't delete fieldir, but I have nothing to say concerning his contribution, the answer actually is the words I have already cited.
To fieldir:
Why do you see evil in everything and everyone here??? Certainly not all Muslims would agree with these words. This is his personal opinion.
To magna1:
In my view, tolerance means not considering my own view, opinion, belief as the absolute truth. And it also means that we try to avoid hurting other people's feelings when it is not really necessary.
I don't know what kind of drawings Lars Vilks made of Mohammed, but I remember those cartoons of Mohammed some time ago, I think it was in Denmark(?). In a tolerant world, the one side would not shout "death" or "kill him" on seeing these caricatures, but in the very first place the other side would not even draw them, since it would be well aware that it will hurt other people's feelings without any real necessity.
Some other things include not just tolerance, but also mutual respect. For example: immigration. before moving to another country, I have to answer - for myself - the question, can I go there, do I want to learn the language and respect and show some degree of adaptation to that culture or not - and if no, I just would not go there. And if both sides show some effort (like me migrating to that country and partially adapting and the people of that country accepting that I am still somewhat different), there would be no "immigration problem"
There are many aspects of tolerance, and when one side complains about intolerance, it's very often both sides' responsibility


ANSWER:

MR NATURELOVER73,

NOW HEAR THIS:I DON,T SEE EVIL IN EVERYTHING AND IN EVERYONE HERE,SO YOU ARE WRONG IN THIS!
I SEE EVIL AND SIN IN YOU AND IN THOSE WHO SIN AGAINST ME AND AGAINST TRUTH AND EVEN AGAINST GOD!
WHY???? BECAUSE WITHOUT CAUSE OR ANY THING WRONG I DONE NOT TO YOU, AND SO YOU JUDGE OR ACCUSE ME AS NOT TOLERANT TO YOU OR TO OTHERS! AND SO FOR THIS YOU ARE WRONG!
FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO TOLERANCE OR NO PATIENCE,IS JUST LIKE YOU:WHO HAVE NOT IT,WHY?? BECAUSE WITH ONE FACE YOU SAY, I DON,T KNOW GOD AND I DON,T BELIEVE, AND THEN WITH YOUR OTHER FACE TO JUSTIFIE YOURSELF;YOU SAY THAT YOU BELIEVE IN God and know somethings from God! so this is playing Hipokrit with two face!
Muslims would not agree with you nor with me nor with others who believe Jesus, because they believe Muhamed and know not Jesus from bible !
so why you think muslims would agree with you, and even if they agree,is not the truth from you any way, because you know not God!
So you are talking all time about tolerance and you know not what is tolerance at all !
SO AGAIN I MAKE CLEAR THIS:I CAME HERE TO CLEAR THE MISTAKE FROM YOU AND DO NO MORE AGAINST ME FALSELY TO ACCUSE OR JUDGE FOR TOLERANCE OR SOMETHING ELSE !

FOR THOSE WHO KNOW NOT GOD AND BELIEVE AND OBEY NOT:THEY HAVE BAD DEEDS;INCLUDING HATE,ANGRY,SELFISHNESS,SADNESS AND NO TOLERANCE AND NO PATIENCE AND NO GOOD FRUITS(DEEDS),BUT EVIL DEEDS AND SO BECAUSE THEY OBEY NOT THE LAW OF GOD.
WHO OBEY GOD, HAVE TOLERANCE,PATIENCE,LOVE,WISDOM,POWER,AND TRUTH AND MANY GOOD DEEDS AND SO THEY FORGIVE OTHERS WHO SIN AGAINST THEM,AND SO ON. BUT THOSE WHO KNOW NOT GOD AND BELIEVE AND OBEY NOT,KNOW NOT HOW TO JUDGE WITH TRÚTH AND GOOD, BUT JUDGE WITH SIN AND EVIL ,AND WRONG AGAINST OTHER MEN WHO DON,T AGREE WITH THEM.

SO HERE IS END DISCUSSION,I DON,T WANT MORE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU OR ANY ONE ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE IT WILL NEVER END,WHEN THEY DISCUSS OR YOU,AND NOT AGREE OR NOT UNDERSTAND WITH EACH OTHER.
IF YOU UNDERSTOOD THIS I SAID, OKAY, MEAN YOU NO MORE DISCUSS, BUT DELETE YOUR FALSE OR MISTAKE YOU DID AGAINST ME,IF YOU DON,T WANT TO DELETE, LEAVE IT AS YOU LIKE !BUT I AM NOT GOING MORE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU ABOUT THIS !NOR WITH OTHERS HERE!
NICE DAY!
go for it blue dressed lady.
but he has nothing to say ,more than these mabo jumbo evil under good and good over evil.i dont think he judges us personlly , but he wants to tell us , he is the owner of the only truth his empty mind knows.bouquet handshake
I take issue with the word/idea of tolerance. I know that humans are not evolved enough to take responsibility for their actions, so it may be necessary to have tolerance at this point in time.

It seems to me that everyone born into this human experiment comes in for his or her own unique experience. No one is supposed to have the same life as anyone else. Yet, the push is always to create uniformity, sameness.

To me, tolerance implies that what I think you do is not acceptable but I will allow you to do it or say it or think it anyway.

It would be more wise to realize that each person has their own path and have no opinion of it one way or the other. Neutrality is a better word for me.
sorry lady venus , but i believe there r times in our lifes ,we have to choose whom will follow and whom we gonna leave back.
i tryied to talk to him and see what he was here for.but he attacked me too.cant u seee he is a fanatic ??? and speaks out of reason.for what???bouquet wine
I know, I know, Mr. Alfi. I have been commenting on his blogs enough to know that there is nothing that will convince him that he is not God's right hand man and that we are not all evil and going to Hell.

I so like to voice my opinions about it though. That would be my ego...grin
I know what I'd really like to say about our fruitcake friend from Finland.

professor However; I value my freedom, my liberty, my right to speak and most importantly.........

I don't wanna end up in CS gaol!! rolling on the floor laughing
Fieldir: and so all you speak here is false and bad!

In a later post on this blog you said you did not find all here evil, so that means you have not spoken the truth.

Get a dictionary, and look up the word tolerance. This means to tolerate, or allow. You, fieldir are not tolerant, because you delete posts that do not agree with you.

The author of this blog is tolerant, because, though he does not agree with you, he lets your posts stay.

I love God, and seek to obey all his Law. Yet you have called me evil and said that I hate God's Law and speak evil against God. I have posted over and over that I feel God's Law is good. Yet you have called me a hypocrite and said I hate God's Law. This is not the truth. You cannot call yourself truthful when you speak lies.

You have proven the author of this blog right and just and truthful, by all your posts here. Everytime you post and speak your words you prove him to be tolerant, and prove that what he says about you is the truth.

Everytime you delete a comment on your blog, you prove the author of this blog to be a truthful person, that you publish blogs full of intolerance. Your very words condemn you. Your words, sir, prove Naturelover73 to be truthful in all he says.

The more you post, the more people can see that you don't speak the truth, and that you are intolerant of other people's beliefs.
Yeah I dont see all the point in it, but I will say when people start preaching and forcing their beliefs that I pretty much tune out whatever they say, and for example, when I scrolled through this blog and saw Fieldr's pictures, I just didnt bother reading.

I think if your intent is to persuade others you have to tread lightly...but I also think this really isnt the place to be trying to convert people to other religions dunno cheers
Mr. Alfibarios, this is blog about tolerance, My comment had nothing at all with what you've had to say. Given that the author of the blog is Austrian and not German I've turned "fieldir" into "fielder" to play with words in connection of the atlaa and the borders. Anyway, where's your tolerance? Just because you can't sense or acknowledge a harmless sense of humor it doesn't has to be a typo or you've to comment on it. Just the personal opinion of a galactic fruitcake.
And where is your TOLERANCE?handshake
I think fieldir just enjoys provoking others, I cannot imagine he means what he writes.
Anyway, I wanted to share these words because they grasp the core essence of what "tolerance" means, namely, as Murny put it, to tolerate and "allow" other concepts and opinions. Maybe it's just another word for "open-mindedness".
You know, I woke up the other day, and thought, what if all Fieldir's comments were just to paint religious people as fanatics, and he was just joking? That could make perfect sense!
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