I seriously doubt (notice I said DOUBT, not dogmatic) anyone can see Earth from Heaven. The document that tells Christians about this utopia, says there are no tears in Heaven! If you were to die and go to Heaven, and looked down and saw your loved ones behaving in such a manner that would prevent their acceptance into Heaven, would you not cry??? Would you not be sad? Would there be tears in Heaven(Eric Clapton, not withstanding)? Just a thought.
livinglargein a good place, Kildare Ireland5,879 posts
blue_eyed_blonde: We are also going through a situation like this; their dad passed away about 3 weeks ago. My youngest is 10 yr. old and the boys are older. I cant imagine trying to explain to a child younger then my daughter...that was hard enough, and she understood for the most part.
As, I do believe in God and "heaven"...it wasnt hard for me to explain that aspect of death and where their dad....and he will always be in her (their) heart. The issue of him being gone forever and not just a week or a month..that is so final, is hard.
I have always loved the quote, that goes something like this...
I would rather live my life as if there were a God and find out there wasnt...then to live my life as if there wasnt a God and find out there was...
My best thoughts to you...
The situation I am talking about happened over a year ago, but the dealing with the devastated child is ongoing .
This little child lost the "light of his life" , and is going through the worst of times. I feel choked . I am very sorry for your children Bluey , I will keep them in my prayers . My hart goes out to you too ,as you will be left picking up the pieces
livinglargein a good place, Kildare Ireland5,879 posts
pretzelman: I seriously doubt (notice I said DOUBT, not dogmatic) anyone can see Earth from Heaven. The document that tells Christians about this utopia, says there are no tears in Heaven! If you were to die and go to Heaven, and looked down and saw your loved ones behaving in such a manner that would prevent their acceptance into Heaven, would you not cry??? Would you not be sad? Would there be tears in Heaven(Eric Clapton, not withstanding)? Just a thought.STOP...JMO
That is a very lovely post Pretz, wow I am choked again .
livinglarge: The situation I am talking about happened over a year ago, but the dealing with the devastated child is ongoing .
This little child lost the "light of his life" , and is going through the worst of times. I feel choked . I am very sorry for your children Bluey , I will keep them in my prayers . My hart goes out to you too ,as you will be left picking up the pieces
thanks..for your thoughts and prayers, am sure they will continue to be needed for some time. At least it seems today...that the good days are coming and staying longer then the bad ones..I can only hope and pray for the best and to continue to provide them with the best love and guidance that I have....
lusciousmile: I am not kidding you, Laura. Most of us don't really talk about these things. You will find that most African kids grow up to be very tough.
That's what i do respect about those children ... not only in Africa. Nothing will break them in a future. I think in North American Continent children are over protected from the reality of life. But they will grow up ... eventually. You know
livinglargein a good place, Kildare Ireland5,879 posts
blue_eyed_blonde: thanks..for your thoughts and prayers, am sure they will continue to be needed for some time. At least it seems today...that the good days are coming and staying longer then the bad ones..I can only hope and pray for the best and to continue to provide them with the best love and guidance that I have.... hugs to you too...MB
thats all you can do
it takes time but yes it will get better some day in the not to distant future .
blue_eyed_blonde: We are also going through a situation like this; their dad passed away about 3 weeks ago. My youngest is 10 yr. old and the boys are older. I cant imagine trying to explain to a child younger then my daughter...that was hard enough, and she understood for the most part.
As, I do believe in God and "heaven"...it wasnt hard for me to explain that aspect of death and where their dad....and he will always be in her (their) heart. The issue of him being gone forever and not just a week or a month..that is so final, is hard.
I have always loved the quote, that goes something like this...
I would rather live my life as if there were a God and find out there wasnt...then to live my life as if there wasnt a God and find out there was...
My best thoughts to you...
Big hug and tons of courage woman. No matter what it is tough to lose someone close.
blue_eyed_blonde: We are also going through a situation like this; their dad passed away about 3 weeks ago. My youngest is 10 yr. old and the boys are older. I cant imagine trying to explain to a child younger then my daughter...that was hard enough, and she understood for the most part.
As, I do believe in God and "heaven"...it wasnt hard for me to explain that aspect of death and where their dad....and he will always be in her (their) heart. The issue of him being gone forever and not just a week or a month..that is so final, is hard.
I have always loved the quote, that goes something like this...
I would rather live my life as if there were a God and find out there wasnt...then to live my life as if there wasnt a God and find out there was...
My best thoughts to you...
I am very sorry for your and your kids loss, Beb
It's very hard for you yourself, but I can't even imagine how tough it must be to guide kids through the loss of their dad.
pretzelman: I seriously doubt (notice I said DOUBT, not dogmatic) anyone can see Earth from Heaven. The document that tells Christians about this utopia, says there are no tears in Heaven! If you were to die and go to Heaven, and looked down and saw your loved ones behaving in such a manner that would prevent their acceptance into Heaven, would you not cry??? Would you not be sad? Would there be tears in Heaven(Eric Clapton, not withstanding)? Just a thought.STOP...JMO
I don't think it's wrong to tell a child that his loved one is watching out over him. My aunt(father's sister)while on her deathbed told my teenage son and I that my father would guide me as well as my son in all my decisions in life. She said that my dad was in the room with my mother standing by her bedside. And he was talking to my aunt and asking her to give us this message. Also told my aunt it was not my choice to become a nurse....it was his and he led me to this field because he was grateful for the 4 extra months of life that I gave him caring for his medical needs after mom died. At 99 yrs old when she died, my aunt had no dementia or alzheimers disease either. Her heart literally wore out. Since that conversation, my 19 yr old son has gone on to heating ventialation air condition training(HVAC)which was my father's field. My dad died in the 1960s. My aunt died in 2005. I do not doubt for one moment that the spirits of the deceased watch over us and even guide us. Sometimes, they move something, leave a familiar scent or an object or even save our life in certain situations. My aunt leaves pennies when there is a medical issue that I need to get addressed.
baymanwhakatane, Bay of Plenty New Zealand47 posts
Laura25: This is an interesting statement, Bayman. You never knew her mother, yet you did recognize her? In spirit?And thank you for your input. Yes, I agree - this child will need to hear what a wonderful lady her mom was and how much she loves her. As much as possible.
thanks Laura, yeah I know its sounds weird but looking at her photo it was her, the night before my ex-wife birthday, she died on this day also, so I knew she wanted to pass on her love to her daughter through me.
best of wishes for the little lady but think she is in good hands with plenty of love and suport around her
I asked myself that question also when my son was little and in the end, I decided to be truthful (well, I do not believe in an afterlife). So I explained that death is something that happens to all of us; that it's not a "bad" thing, it just is. People who die stay alive in the hearts of those who remember them. You know, I think it's all in the presentation, meaning how you talk to your child.
I don't believe in feeding kids a bunch of lies about anything really. When you think about it, do we explain to kids the story of St. Nicholas when we talk about Santa Claus? All we tell kids really is that he brings presents... so what message does that convey? (Rhet). Actually I believe that kids see through the balony anyway... sometimes more so than adults.
Will the child resent having been lied to? I don't know. I chose to go the other route. I did ask my son (22) what he thought about how he was raised and he claims that I did a good job because he turned out brilliantly (of course he'd say that because he's a man )
Laura25: When a small child looses a parent, you want a little girl to know about her mother's wonderful spirit and how much she(the child) is still loved.
You want to offer some kind of comfort by saying that her mother is in heaven looking down at her, and smiling at her, and loving her.
I want to believe there is this glorious afterlife, but I can't make myself believing it. And saying it to a little girl feels odd - like lying to her.
We do tell kids about Ester Bunnies and Santas, but then they learn it's a lie. Very fast.
Will this child resent being fed this temporary soothing lie when she realizes it's just another lie?
ragskuttleLondon, Greater London, England UK91 posts
I do not believe in the glorious afterlife we have shoved down our throats. No clouds or angels or harps. But I do believe in spirit and energy and I think there are echos of life all around us.
NEVER question comforting a child. The brutalities of life will take their course without any help from you.
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STOP...JMO