Canada judge: Man not responsible for beheading (19)
I remember this story Con as I had 2 months earlier done that journey myself obviously without incident
It is a shocking story and in my honest opinion Mr Li is deranged and should be treated as such.
I do feel for and understand the victims family needing a different outcome , as if it was me I would too. It seems grossly unfair that Mr Li could be free in a matter of a few years. Hardly justice IMO. A longer period in an institution , say a mimimum of 15 years , would enable the family to move on and to see justice being done. Nobody like to see a "slap on the wrist " for these types of crimes.
It is a shocking story and in my honest opinion Mr Li is deranged and should be treated as such.
I do feel for and understand the victims family needing a different outcome , as if it was me I would too. It seems grossly unfair that Mr Li could be free in a matter of a few years. Hardly justice IMO. A longer period in an institution , say a mimimum of 15 years , would enable the family to move on and to see justice being done. Nobody like to see a "slap on the wrist " for these types of crimes.
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Conrad73: Canada judge: Man not responsible for beheading
25 mins ago
WINNIPEG, Manitoba – A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.
The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a mental institution instead of going to prison. The family of victim Tim McLean dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Li to get away with murder.
"A crime was still committed here, a murder still occurred," said Carol deDelley, McLean's mother. "There was nobody else on that bus holding a knife, slicing up my child."
The judge said Li should not be held criminally accountable for stabbing McLean dozens of times last July and dismembering his body while horrified passengers fled.
Justice John Scurfield said Li's attack was "grotesque" and "barbaric" but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."
"He did not appreciate the actions he committed were morally wrong. He believed he was acting in self-defense," Scurfield said.
Both the prosecution and the defense argued Li can't be held responsible because Li was suffering from schizophrenia and believed God wanted him to kill McLean because the young man was a force of evil.
He will be institutionalized without a criminal record and will be reassessed every year by a mental health review board to determine if he is fit for release into the community.
DeDelley said a yearly hearing is ridiculous, and that Li should be locked up for the rest of his life.
Li's trial barely lasted two days and only heard from two witnesses, both psychiatrists, who testified he is mentally ill.
That Li killed the 22-year-old carnival worker was never in question at the trial. Li has admitted he killed McLean but pleaded not guilty.
Witnesses said Li attacked McLean unprovoked as their bus traveled at night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway.
An agreed statement of facts between the prosecution and defense detailed how passengers stood outside the bus as Li stabbed McLean dozens of times and beheaded and mutilated his body. Finding himself locked inside the bus, Li finally escaped through a window and was arrested.
Li then apologized and pleaded with police to kill him.
Police said McLean's body parts were found throughout the bus in plastic bags, and the victim's ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pocket.
A psychiatrist called by the prosecution Wednesday testified that Li cut up McLean's body because he believed that he would come back to life and take revenge.
McLean's family is vowing to turn their attention to fighting the law that allows people who are found not criminally responsible to be released into the community once they are deemed well, without serving a minimum sentence in jail.
DeDelley said her son didn't die in vain. His death highlights concerns about the justice system, she said.
"Now people are aware that there is a problem," she said.
Just found that on YAHOO.
A Follow-Up on that Story from some months ago.
25 mins ago
WINNIPEG, Manitoba – A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.
The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a mental institution instead of going to prison. The family of victim Tim McLean dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Li to get away with murder.
"A crime was still committed here, a murder still occurred," said Carol deDelley, McLean's mother. "There was nobody else on that bus holding a knife, slicing up my child."
The judge said Li should not be held criminally accountable for stabbing McLean dozens of times last July and dismembering his body while horrified passengers fled.
Justice John Scurfield said Li's attack was "grotesque" and "barbaric" but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."
"He did not appreciate the actions he committed were morally wrong. He believed he was acting in self-defense," Scurfield said.
Both the prosecution and the defense argued Li can't be held responsible because Li was suffering from schizophrenia and believed God wanted him to kill McLean because the young man was a force of evil.
He will be institutionalized without a criminal record and will be reassessed every year by a mental health review board to determine if he is fit for release into the community.
DeDelley said a yearly hearing is ridiculous, and that Li should be locked up for the rest of his life.
Li's trial barely lasted two days and only heard from two witnesses, both psychiatrists, who testified he is mentally ill.
That Li killed the 22-year-old carnival worker was never in question at the trial. Li has admitted he killed McLean but pleaded not guilty.
Witnesses said Li attacked McLean unprovoked as their bus traveled at night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway.
An agreed statement of facts between the prosecution and defense detailed how passengers stood outside the bus as Li stabbed McLean dozens of times and beheaded and mutilated his body. Finding himself locked inside the bus, Li finally escaped through a window and was arrested.
Li then apologized and pleaded with police to kill him.
Police said McLean's body parts were found throughout the bus in plastic bags, and the victim's ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pocket.
A psychiatrist called by the prosecution Wednesday testified that Li cut up McLean's body because he believed that he would come back to life and take revenge.
McLean's family is vowing to turn their attention to fighting the law that allows people who are found not criminally responsible to be released into the community once they are deemed well, without serving a minimum sentence in jail.
DeDelley said her son didn't die in vain. His death highlights concerns about the justice system, she said.
"Now people are aware that there is a problem," she said.
Just found that on YAHOO.
A Follow-Up on that Story from some months ago.
Fine if they want to put him in a mental institution...BUT. When he is deemed "well" he should then have to face the consequences of his actions and spend the rest of his life in prison as would anybody else who committed the same crime.
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Conrad73: Canada judge: Man not responsible for beheading
25 mins ago
WINNIPEG, Manitoba – A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.
The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a mental institution instead of going to prison. The family of victim Tim McLean dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Li to get away with murder.
"A crime was still committed here, a murder still occurred," said Carol deDelley, McLean's mother. "There was nobody else on that bus holding a knife, slicing up my child."
The judge said Li should not be held criminally accountable for stabbing McLean dozens of times last July and dismembering his body while horrified passengers fled.
Justice John Scurfield said Li's attack was "grotesque" and "barbaric" but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."
"He did not appreciate the actions he committed were morally wrong. He believed he was acting in self-defense," Scurfield said.
Both the prosecution and the defense argued Li can't be held responsible because Li was suffering from schizophrenia and believed God wanted him to kill McLean because the young man was a force of evil.
He will be institutionalized without a criminal record and will be reassessed every year by a mental health review board to determine if he is fit for release into the community.
DeDelley said a yearly hearing is ridiculous, and that Li should be locked up for the rest of his life.
Li's trial barely lasted two days and only heard from two witnesses, both psychiatrists, who testified he is mentally ill.
That Li killed the 22-year-old carnival worker was never in question at the trial. Li has admitted he killed McLean but pleaded not guilty.
Witnesses said Li attacked McLean unprovoked as their bus traveled at night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway.
An agreed statement of facts between the prosecution and defense detailed how passengers stood outside the bus as Li stabbed McLean dozens of times and beheaded and mutilated his body. Finding himself locked inside the bus, Li finally escaped through a window and was arrested.
Li then apologized and pleaded with police to kill him.
Police said McLean's body parts were found throughout the bus in plastic bags, and the victim's ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pocket.
A psychiatrist called by the prosecution Wednesday testified that Li cut up McLean's body because he believed that he would come back to life and take revenge.
McLean's family is vowing to turn their attention to fighting the law that allows people who are found not criminally responsible to be released into the community once they are deemed well, without serving a minimum sentence in jail.
DeDelley said her son didn't die in vain. His death highlights concerns about the justice system, she said.
"Now people are aware that there is a problem," she said.
Just found that on YAHOO.
A Follow-Up on that Story from some months ago.
25 mins ago
WINNIPEG, Manitoba – A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.
The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a mental institution instead of going to prison. The family of victim Tim McLean dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Li to get away with murder.
"A crime was still committed here, a murder still occurred," said Carol deDelley, McLean's mother. "There was nobody else on that bus holding a knife, slicing up my child."
The judge said Li should not be held criminally accountable for stabbing McLean dozens of times last July and dismembering his body while horrified passengers fled.
Justice John Scurfield said Li's attack was "grotesque" and "barbaric" but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."
"He did not appreciate the actions he committed were morally wrong. He believed he was acting in self-defense," Scurfield said.
Both the prosecution and the defense argued Li can't be held responsible because Li was suffering from schizophrenia and believed God wanted him to kill McLean because the young man was a force of evil.
He will be institutionalized without a criminal record and will be reassessed every year by a mental health review board to determine if he is fit for release into the community.
DeDelley said a yearly hearing is ridiculous, and that Li should be locked up for the rest of his life.
Li's trial barely lasted two days and only heard from two witnesses, both psychiatrists, who testified he is mentally ill.
That Li killed the 22-year-old carnival worker was never in question at the trial. Li has admitted he killed McLean but pleaded not guilty.
Witnesses said Li attacked McLean unprovoked as their bus traveled at night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway.
An agreed statement of facts between the prosecution and defense detailed how passengers stood outside the bus as Li stabbed McLean dozens of times and beheaded and mutilated his body. Finding himself locked inside the bus, Li finally escaped through a window and was arrested.
Li then apologized and pleaded with police to kill him.
Police said McLean's body parts were found throughout the bus in plastic bags, and the victim's ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pocket.
A psychiatrist called by the prosecution Wednesday testified that Li cut up McLean's body because he believed that he would come back to life and take revenge.
McLean's family is vowing to turn their attention to fighting the law that allows people who are found not criminally responsible to be released into the community once they are deemed well, without serving a minimum sentence in jail.
DeDelley said her son didn't die in vain. His death highlights concerns about the justice system, she said.
"Now people are aware that there is a problem," she said.
Just found that on YAHOO.
A Follow-Up on that Story from some months ago.
Fine if they want to put him in a mental institution...BUT. When he is deemed "well" he should then have to face the consequences of his actions and spend the rest of his life in prison as would anybody else who committed the same crime.
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sorry I don't know how that posted twice as I only hit post once.
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webbs: sorry I don't know how that posted twice as I only hit post once.
A Glitch,happens sometimes!
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webbs: Fine if they want to put him in a mental institution...BUT. When he is deemed "well" he should then have to face the consequences of his actions and spend the rest of his life in prison as would anybody else who committed the same crime.
Agreed.
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You do realise if Mr Lee is allowed a computer, and joins here he will be one of the more sane people on the forums
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RobbieM: You do realise if Mr Lee is allowed a computer, and joins here he will be one of the more sane people on the forums
well I have a lovely match for him
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webbs: Fine if they want to put him in a mental institution...BUT. When he is deemed "well" he should then have to face the consequences of his actions and spend the rest of his life in prison as would anybody else who committed the same crime.
Agreed.
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RobbieM: You do realise if Mr Lee is allowed a computer, and joins here he will be one of the more sane people on the forums
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livinglarge: well I have a lovely match for him
NO...!!!!
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There are institutions for criminally insane people.. why the hell isn't he locked up there for life?
a schizo does no get healed and well.
The guy will always be dangerous,, especially if he stops taking his meds and who is going to be there to make sure he takes them?
they always stop taking the meds because they believe they don't need them any more.
a schizo does no get healed and well.
The guy will always be dangerous,, especially if he stops taking his meds and who is going to be there to make sure he takes them?
they always stop taking the meds because they believe they don't need them any more.
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RobbieM: You do realise if Mr Lee is allowed a computer, and joins here he will be one of the more sane people on the forums
You may laugh Robbie, and others too, but look how easy it is to join this site....and rejoin if you get banned.
There may be more Mr Lee type members than we could ever imagine.
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rasgumby: There are institutions for criminally insane people.. why the hell isn't he locked up there for life?
a schizo does no get healed and well.
The guy will always be dangerous,, especially if he stops taking his meds and who is going to be there to make sure he takes them?
they always stop taking the meds because they believe they don't need them any more.
a schizo does no get healed and well.
The guy will always be dangerous,, especially if he stops taking his meds and who is going to be there to make sure he takes them?
they always stop taking the meds because they believe they don't need them any more.
He will be in an institution...it's called Penetanguishine...It's a mental hospital for the criminally insane...actually it is better not to give a term...because some of them will never get better and if they aren't better in 15 years...you don't want to have to let them out...Some will never get out...sooooooooo it's actually not a lenient sentence...they are just not in the same prison setting as other inmates...however they are just as secure...
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I heard they were just going to give him a hug.
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Hugz_n_Kissez: He will be in an institution...it's called Penetanguishine...It's a mental hospital for the criminally insane...actually it is better not to give a term...because some of them will never get better and if they aren't better in 15 years...you don't want to have to let them out...Some will never get out...sooooooooo it's actually not a lenient sentence...they are just not in the same prison setting as other inmates...however they are just as secure...
They do the same thing here with what's called a "dangerous offender" application...that allows them to keep a dangerous offender behind bars for an inderminate amount of time until they deem him no longer a danger to society...
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livinglarge: well I have a lovely match for him
i know who you mean you norty girl!! hehehe
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livinglarge: I remember this story Con as I had 2 months earlier done that journey myself obviously without incident It is a shocking story and in my honest opinion Mr Li is deranged and should be treated as such.
I do feel for and understand the victims family needing a different outcome , as if it was me I would too. It seems grossly unfair that Mr Li could be free in a matter of a few years. Hardly justice IMO. A longer period in an institution , say a mimimum of 15 years , would enable the family to move on and to see justice being done. Nobody like to see a "slap on the wrist " for these types of crimes.
I do feel for and understand the victims family needing a different outcome , as if it was me I would too. It seems grossly unfair that Mr Li could be free in a matter of a few years. Hardly justice IMO. A longer period in an institution , say a mimimum of 15 years , would enable the family to move on and to see justice being done. Nobody like to see a "slap on the wrist " for these types of crimes.
the amount of people that go through the criminal justice system, that have never been diagnosed is astounding.......however what do we do with these people?? i say lock them up,get them help but they cannot be released as they are incontrol of there lives then, and may not keep taking their meds/going to their psyche appiontments.......... for then they prove to be a danger to society
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WINNIPEG, Manitoba – A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.
The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a mental institution instead of going to prison. The family of victim Tim McLean dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Li to get away with murder.
"A crime was still committed here, a murder still occurred," said Carol deDelley, McLean's mother. "There was nobody else on that bus holding a knife, slicing up my child."
The judge said Li should not be held criminally accountable for stabbing McLean dozens of times last July and dismembering his body while horrified passengers fled.
Justice John Scurfield said Li's attack was "grotesque" and "barbaric" but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."
"He did not appreciate the actions he committed were morally wrong. He believed he was acting in self-defense," Scurfield said.
Both the prosecution and the defense argued Li can't be held responsible because Li was suffering from schizophrenia and believed God wanted him to kill McLean because the young man was a force of evil.
He will be institutionalized without a criminal record and will be reassessed every year by a mental health review board to determine if he is fit for release into the community.
DeDelley said a yearly hearing is ridiculous, and that Li should be locked up for the rest of his life.
Li's trial barely lasted two days and only heard from two witnesses, both psychiatrists, who testified he is mentally ill.
That Li killed the 22-year-old carnival worker was never in question at the trial. Li has admitted he killed McLean but pleaded not guilty.
Witnesses said Li attacked McLean unprovoked as their bus traveled at night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway.
An agreed statement of facts between the prosecution and defense detailed how passengers stood outside the bus as Li stabbed McLean dozens of times and beheaded and mutilated his body. Finding himself locked inside the bus, Li finally escaped through a window and was arrested.
Li then apologized and pleaded with police to kill him.
Police said McLean's body parts were found throughout the bus in plastic bags, and the victim's ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pocket.
A psychiatrist called by the prosecution Wednesday testified that Li cut up McLean's body because he believed that he would come back to life and take revenge.
McLean's family is vowing to turn their attention to fighting the law that allows people who are found not criminally responsible to be released into the community once they are deemed well, without serving a minimum sentence in jail.
DeDelley said her son didn't die in vain. His death highlights concerns about the justice system, she said.
"Now people are aware that there is a problem," she said.
Just found that on YAHOO.
A Follow-Up on that Story from some months ago.