Texas Raid on Polygamist Sect (26)
sweetowenSomewhere, Pennsylvania USA289 Threads 5 Polls 8,850 PostsI just read this story in People Magazine yesterday. They gave a whole different view than was given by the media back when the raid took place. What is your view on this? Did the authorities do right? Should the children have been taken from their homes & families? Many of them have been reunited with their families now. But they're saying the damage has been done. I'm just interested to know how others feel.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20265029,00.html
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Would this not infringe on their freedom of religion?
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In response to: I just read this story in People Magazine yesterday. They gave a whole different view than was given by the media back when the raid took place. What is your view on this? Did the authorities do right? Should the children have been taken from their homes & families? Many of them have been reunited with their families now. But they're saying the damage has been done. I'm just interested to know how others feel.
can you realy believe that its anybodys buisness but the poly ppls thenselves .. we got a big problem with ppl that are poking there nose into their life here in canada , they have been living quiet leave them alone, the army ,sherrifs ,the f b i look like a bunch of IDIOTS at waco ,, im not on anybodys side ,i have never met a poly ppl. we have a big problem withsocial services in the north. they got power ,lots of it, mostly young women that went to university ,studdied lots of books, were graded as smart and they get government jobs , somtimes they do good, lots of times they hurt ppl, im damn glad i dont got kids to worry aboutanymore for a lot of reasons------ This thread is Archived ------
David Koresh -- Waco
Jim Jones -- Guyana
All in the name of religion.
Jim Jones -- Guyana
All in the name of religion.
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We have Amish & Mennonites around here. Are they then cults? We can't persecute a people because of their beliefs. Yes, if they're marrying their children off to old pervs, I totally agree then. But what a group of people believe & how they raise their children, when it isn't harming anyone is their business.
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sweetowen: We have Amish & Mennonites around here. Are they then cults? We can't persecute a people because of their beliefs. Yes, if they're marrying their children off to old pervs, I totally agree then. But what a group of people believe & how they raise their children, when it isn't harming anyone is their business.
The Amish participate in the community and they let their kids "rumspringe" for a year. That is fair, imo. Don't know about the mennonites. Of course parents have a right to raise their kids anyway they want, but parents also have an obligation to raise their child to develop their full potential and to be able to function in society as independent people. Marrying them off at 14 is handing a child over from one dependent state into another.
Religion is all nice and good, but many religious precepts are ancient ideas born from ignorance of physics, biology, chemistry, anatomy, etc. I remember a case where an Am. Indian couple was tried because they refused to take their child to the doctor. Religious grounds. The child died. Point: there are limits to religious freedom. An individual, even a child, has fundamental human rights.
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sweetowen: I just read this story in People Magazine yesterday. They gave a whole different view than was given by the media back when the raid took place. What is your view on this? Did the authorities do right? Should the children have been taken from their homes & families? Many of them have been reunited with their families now. But they're saying the damage has been done. I'm just interested to know how others feel.
The f***in government ought to keep there damn noses out of other peoples business.. ALL government!
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Charli15695: David Koresh -- Waco
Jim Jones -- Guyana
All in the name of religion.
Jim Jones -- Guyana
All in the name of religion.
Typical brainwashed US citizen. Jim Jones was a CIA operative. ATF burned the children of Waco (plainly evident in video proof) alive in a Witchcraft ritual "Blood Sacrifice to the Beast" in the 13 days leading up to the High Holy Day of Beltaine, May 1st. Yes, occultists run our government.
Protect the kids, give them to an evil government?
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Charli15695: David Koresh -- Waco
Jim Jones -- Guyana
All in the name of religion.
Jim Jones killed his Own,the FBI killed the People at Waco!Jim Jones -- Guyana
All in the name of religion.
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Conrad73: Jim Jones killed his Own,the FBI killed the People at Waco!
Very true. Who was the cult leader who believed God was coming in a space ship & had his members commit suicide?
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kellydenise: i have really mixed feelings about this particular story, but it is illegal in america
I do too kelly, believe me. I just think that the feds have no right telling me what to believe or not believe, how to live or how not to live, as long as I'm not hurting anyone or doing anything illegal.
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It's wrong to allow people to arrange marriages between cousins, uncles and nieces, etc....
Of course a teenage girl in that cult isn't going object, she'd be excommunicated.
Of course a teenage girl in that cult isn't going object, she'd be excommunicated.
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sweetowen: I do too kelly, believe me. I just think that the feds have no right telling me what to believe or not believe, how to live or how not to live, as long as I'm not hurting anyone or doing anything illegal.
the part i really don't care about is how many women a man has, heck, in today's society, the "traditional family" is a rarity. i have read books written by people who grew up in these sects. the girls being married off at young ages, ect. that is where i disagree.
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kellydenise: the part i really don't care about is how many women a man has, heck, in today's society, the "traditional family" is a rarity. i have read books written by people who grew up in these sects. the girls being married off at young ages, ect. that is where i disagree.
Ditto
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princess49503: It's wrong to allow people to arrange marriages between cousins, uncles and nieces, etc....
Of course a teenage girl in that cult isn't going object, she'd be excommunicated.
Of course a teenage girl in that cult isn't going object, she'd be excommunicated.
i believe that many of the women married to these men have been brought up with certain beliefs...brain-washing. sort of like the battered woman's syndrome.
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Work in law enforcement, you will see a whole different side of things. When the parents are spending most of their time on Meth, heroin and other substances and you see where they are strung out for weeks at a time and the kids sit there under the age of 10 trying to keep themselves fed or spend a week in a dirty diaper because of the parents issues.
Or how many children are put in the front seat of a car, with no seat belt or child seat while the parent blows a .250 (legal limit is .08 in Arizona and most normal people are blitzed at .15.
People can criticize CPS and the government for doing the best they can, but the reality is that we are humans just like everyone else.
I'm lucky, I work in a jail and I just get to read about a lot of this stuff. I see the people that did the crime. I don't get to see the children that have legs and arms broken by their drug and alcohol addicted parents.
What I do see is how many people in this world are unfit to have children in general. Most jails will allow someone to come in and see what they do, talk to the local officials or take a chance to go on a ride along with law enforcement more then once. You will see how our species really is.
Or how many children are put in the front seat of a car, with no seat belt or child seat while the parent blows a .250 (legal limit is .08 in Arizona and most normal people are blitzed at .15.
People can criticize CPS and the government for doing the best they can, but the reality is that we are humans just like everyone else.
I'm lucky, I work in a jail and I just get to read about a lot of this stuff. I see the people that did the crime. I don't get to see the children that have legs and arms broken by their drug and alcohol addicted parents.
What I do see is how many people in this world are unfit to have children in general. Most jails will allow someone to come in and see what they do, talk to the local officials or take a chance to go on a ride along with law enforcement more then once. You will see how our species really is.
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azdesperado72: Work in law enforcement, you will see a whole different side of things. When the parents are spending most of their time on Meth, heroin and other substances and you see where they are strung out for weeks at a time and the kids sit there under the age of 10 trying to keep themselves fed or spend a week in a dirty diaper because of the parents issues.
Or how many children are put in the front seat of a car, with no seat belt or child seat while the parent blows a .250 (legal limit is .08 in Arizona and most normal people are blitzed at .15.
People can criticize CPS and the government for doing the best they can, but the reality is that we are humans just like everyone else.
I'm lucky, I work in a jail and I just get to read about a lot of this stuff. I see the people that did the crime. I don't get to see the children that have legs and arms broken by their drug and alcohol addicted parents.
What I do see is how many people in this world are unfit to have children in general. Most jails will allow someone to come in and see what they do, talk to the local officials or take a chance to go on a ride along with law enforcement more then once. You will see how our species really is.
Or how many children are put in the front seat of a car, with no seat belt or child seat while the parent blows a .250 (legal limit is .08 in Arizona and most normal people are blitzed at .15.
People can criticize CPS and the government for doing the best they can, but the reality is that we are humans just like everyone else.
I'm lucky, I work in a jail and I just get to read about a lot of this stuff. I see the people that did the crime. I don't get to see the children that have legs and arms broken by their drug and alcohol addicted parents.
What I do see is how many people in this world are unfit to have children in general. Most jails will allow someone to come in and see what they do, talk to the local officials or take a chance to go on a ride along with law enforcement more then once. You will see how our species really is.
But these people (the ones I'm referring to) don't believe in doing drugs. The kids look healthy & seem happy.
You just reenforced my statement about wondering why someone should be forced to be exposed to the outside world. And how screwed up the outside world seems to be as compared to some of the practices of this sect. Yes, they have several wives (I don't advocate or believe in that) & the young girls are sent to marry the older members (again, I don't advocate or believe in that). But other than that, they really aren't breaking any laws.
And who's saying that these children will choose to leave the sect when they get older? They may choose to live there for good. IMO, it's a matter of their freedom of choice, as long as nothing illegal is going on.
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azdesperado72: Work in law enforcement, you will see a whole different side of things. When the parents are spending most of their time on Meth, heroin and other substances and you see where they are strung out for weeks at a time and the kids sit there under the age of 10 trying to keep themselves fed or spend a week in a dirty diaper because of the parents issues.
Or how many children are put in the front seat of a car, with no seat belt or child seat while the parent blows a .250 (legal limit is .08 in Arizona and most normal people are blitzed at .15.
People can criticize CPS and the government for doing the best they can, but the reality is that we are humans just like everyone else.
I'm lucky, I work in a jail and I just get to read about a lot of this stuff. I see the people that did the crime. I don't get to see the children that have legs and arms broken by their drug and alcohol addicted parents.
What I do see is how many people in this world are unfit to have children in general. Most jails will allow someone to come in and see what they do, talk to the local officials or take a chance to go on a ride along with law enforcement more then once. You will see how our species really is.
Or how many children are put in the front seat of a car, with no seat belt or child seat while the parent blows a .250 (legal limit is .08 in Arizona and most normal people are blitzed at .15.
People can criticize CPS and the government for doing the best they can, but the reality is that we are humans just like everyone else.
I'm lucky, I work in a jail and I just get to read about a lot of this stuff. I see the people that did the crime. I don't get to see the children that have legs and arms broken by their drug and alcohol addicted parents.
What I do see is how many people in this world are unfit to have children in general. Most jails will allow someone to come in and see what they do, talk to the local officials or take a chance to go on a ride along with law enforcement more then once. You will see how our species really is.
I can only imgine. It's good to hear this side of the stories that take place out there too.
I've been so torn on this issue, for me it's not so black and white, but I do lean towards siding with the involvement of the police. The line was indeed very very fine.
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kellydenise: the part i really don't care about is how many women a man has, heck, in today's society, the "traditional family" is a rarity. i have read books written by people who grew up in these sects. the girls being married off at young ages, ect. that is where i disagree.
True. But it IS against the law. And it does demean the rights of women. We've worked very hard to get where we are today, just to have these men put these women back in what they believe to be "their places"... barefoot & pregnant. The man gets to decide which wife he gets each night, while the others are right there. That, to me, is sick.
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