Why I am against National Health Care (77)
pretzelman: Cost isn't an issue, as proven by the Iraq war and the AIG bailouts as well as the other bail outs. Competency is the issue in dealing with a medical program on a national level. This is the point of this thread!A week ago, I was in favor of a national health care system, but after seeing this debacle, I can see that it would not work!
I agree with what u have said.Its not only the VA,its hospitals in general .My records were lost after they were sent to my DR here.What I run into is people who wont do their job,or who cant speak enough english to do their job.I dont trust anything goverment run.While in KC, the VA there was found to have bedfast patients that had maggots in wounds.Made me sick.But it was cleaned up,I dont know how it is now.Its the same old story,the right hand doesnt know what the left hand is doing.Good luck and welcome back.
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kellydenise: Damn, boy. I thought the conversatin was open to all. Otherwise, you shouldn't bring it up. I have taught at at the Cleveland VA, and the computer system is the absolute best computer system I have ever seen. If your person at your VA said it doesn't communicate, it could be that person's inability to work the computer.
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littlewolf: I agree with what u have said.Its not only the VA,its hospitals in general .My records were lost after they were sent to my DR here.What I run into is people who wont do their job,or who cant speak enough english to do their job.I dont trust anything goverment run.While in KC, the VA there was found to have bedfast patients that had maggots in wounds.Made me sick.But it was cleaned up,I dont know how it is now.Its the same old story,the right hand doesnt know what the left hand is doing.Good luck and welcome back.
Thanks...love the pic, BTW
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pretzelman: I agree with you! My thread took the road it wasn't meant to. I think the VA is a worthwhile venture...locally, but they can't seem to handle a national response!
But of course my antagonist has the only computer that can do what the VA told me they can't!
The point of this thread was .......if we can't handle the number of VA participants on a national level...how in God's name will we be able to handle a system that tries to take on the entire population??
Obama talks about a system that allows it to follow a pt from one place to another. And have their records there when needed. If the VA can't do this, how can we do it on a national level?
BUt I am sure my antagonist has the answer on her computer
But of course my antagonist has the only computer that can do what the VA told me they can't!
The point of this thread was .......if we can't handle the number of VA participants on a national level...how in God's name will we be able to handle a system that tries to take on the entire population??
Obama talks about a system that allows it to follow a pt from one place to another. And have their records there when needed. If the VA can't do this, how can we do it on a national level?
BUt I am sure my antagonist has the answer on her computer
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pretzelman: Thanks...love the pic, BTW
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Here in the UK everyone has a National health number/card allocated when a baby....this traces your records etc....
The NHS has its flaws but in general works and covers every single person who is a British Passport holder....
It can be used by visitors although I think they have to travel insurance etc.....
We get free health and dental care but not free eye care....
The NHS has its flaws but in general works and covers every single person who is a British Passport holder....
It can be used by visitors although I think they have to travel insurance etc.....
We get free health and dental care but not free eye care....
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you ovbiously have a higher level of competency!!
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I was talking to a Vietnam Vet about dangerous vaccines. He said he was required to take them at the VA or he would lose all his medical benefits.
So here is the danger of National Health Care. You will play by THEIR rules. You refuse the vaccines or any other extrememly dangerous drug, that's it, no more coverage. They will throw you out on the street in your hospital gown and pee on you.
So here is the danger of National Health Care. You will play by THEIR rules. You refuse the vaccines or any other extrememly dangerous drug, that's it, no more coverage. They will throw you out on the street in your hospital gown and pee on you.
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norslyman: I was talking to a Vietnam Vet about dangerous vaccines. He said he was required to take them at the VA or he would lose all his medical benefits.
So here is the danger of National Health Care. You will play by THEIR rules. You refuse the vaccines or any other extrememly dangerous drug, that's it, no more coverage. They will throw you out on the street in your hospital gown and pee on you.
And,what are Dangerous Vaccines?So here is the danger of National Health Care. You will play by THEIR rules. You refuse the vaccines or any other extrememly dangerous drug, that's it, no more coverage. They will throw you out on the street in your hospital gown and pee on you.
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yes like i said before to y'all the ones getting a free-ride here are your good old insurance company execs, not your fellow 'ordinary' citizens.....
think again if you think your 'health insurance' policy fully covers you
think again if you think your 'health insurance' policy fully covers you
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Tamarin: Here in the UK everyone has a National health number/card allocated when a baby....this traces your records etc....
The NHS has its flaws but in general works and covers every single person who is a British Passport holder....
It can be used by visitors although I think they have to travel insurance etc.....
We get free health and dental care but not free eye care....
The NHS has its flaws but in general works and covers every single person who is a British Passport holder....
It can be used by visitors although I think they have to travel insurance etc.....
We get free health and dental care but not free eye care....
Love to know where you got your free dental care.When I lived in England I had to take out private dental care and I'm a pensioner!
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Given that the U.S. is financially broke by any standard, how does anyone propose to pay for either public, or private health insurance. Our current account deficit exceeds our annual GDP, our accumulated Federal deficit exceeds our annual GDP, our total private debt is 3x annual GDP and contingent liabilities for SS, medicare and medicaid are 4x annual GDP. If you figure in current and contingent liabilities of local, county and state governments, you ate up another annual GDP amount. That debt alone totals 10x GDP and we have allocated nothing yet to live on.
Bottom line, how do you pay for more debt and expense?
Bottom line, how do you pay for more debt and expense?
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Tamarin: Here in the UK everyone has a National health number/card allocated when a baby....this traces your records etc....
The NHS has its flaws but in general works and covers every single person who is a British Passport holder....
It can be used by visitors although I think they have to travel insurance etc.....
We get free health and dental care but not free eye care....
The NHS has its flaws but in general works and covers every single person who is a British Passport holder....
It can be used by visitors although I think they have to travel insurance etc.....
We get free health and dental care but not free eye care....
By gosh, that just ain't right!
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norslyman: I was talking to a Vietnam Vet about dangerous vaccines. He said he was required to take them at the VA or he would lose all his medical benefits.
So here is the danger of National Health Care. You will play by THEIR rules. You refuse the vaccines or any other extrememly dangerous drug, that's it, no more coverage. They will throw you out on the street in your hospital gown and pee on you.
So here is the danger of National Health Care. You will play by THEIR rules. You refuse the vaccines or any other extrememly dangerous drug, that's it, no more coverage. They will throw you out on the street in your hospital gown and pee on you.
I know a lot of Vietnam vets...none were forced to take vaccines!!
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My father was in the service in the sixties. He didn't go to Vietnam, but one of the requirements of shipping out overseas was a large battery of mandatory vaccines. I don't know about all Vet's but that's what my Dad experienced in Korea and Germany.
Keep in mind, in the 60's vaccines were very much all still experimental.
So I won't say that this isn't fundamentally true, but norsly's spin might be just a little off.
And don't forget Tuskegee.
Keep in mind, in the 60's vaccines were very much all still experimental.
So I won't say that this isn't fundamentally true, but norsly's spin might be just a little off.
And don't forget Tuskegee.
pretzelman: I know a lot of Vietnam vets...none were forced to take vaccines!!
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pretzelman: I know a lot of Vietnam vets...none were forced to take vaccines!!
I haven't had to take any vaccines since my discharge in 1977,
but they vaccined the heck out of me while I was on Active Duty!
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A week ago, I was in favor of a national health care system, but after seeing this debacle, I can see that it would not work!