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Apr 2, 2009 2:34 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
According to McCain..This is what Bush did....


EXCLUSIVE: McCain lambastes Bush years



ABOARD THE STRAIGHT TALK AIR — Sen. John McCain on Wednesday blasted President Bush for building a mountain of debt for future generations, failing to pay for expanding Medicare and abusing executive powers, leveling his strongest criticism to date of an administration whose unpopularity may be dragging the Republican Party to the brink of a massive electoral defeat.

"We just let things get completely out of hand," he said of his own party's rule in the past eight years.

In an interview with The Washington Times, Mr. McCain lashed out at a litany of Bush policies and issues that he said he would have handled differently as president, days after a poll showed that he began making up ground on Sen. Barack Obama since he emphatically sought to distance himself from Mr. Bush in the final debate.


"Spending, the conduct of the war in Iraq for years, growth in the size of government, larger than any time since the Great Society, laying a $10 trillion debt on future generations of America, owing $500 billion to China, obviously, failure to both enforce and modernize the regulatory agencies that were designed for the 1930s and certainly not for the 21st century, failure to address the issue of climate change seriously," Mr. McCain said in an interview with The Washington Times aboard his campaign plane en route from New Hampshire to Ohio.


"Those are just some of them," he said with a laugh, chomping into a peanut butter sandwich as a few campaign aides in his midair office joined in the laughter.

In the interview, Mr. McCain rejected the notion that he could win on the strength of voters who won't vote for a black president.

"I reject categorically the concept that people would, any number of people would vote on the basis of race," he said.

He also hit Mr. Obama for breaking his pledge to take public campaign financing; said Democratic vice-presidential nominee Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. has as much as acknowledged that Mr. Obama would make the world more dangerous; and cautioned that while he may be down in the race, he's not out.

"There is one lesson of history, and that is every time we've been written off, that's when we've had a comeback," he said with an emphatic chop of his hand, just after flying out of the state that propelled him to the Republican nomination.

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wine
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Apr 2, 2009 2:41 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
'We just let things get completely out of hand'


The self-described maverick, who was counted out of the Republican race in summer 2007, may to be doing just that. Although he trails in the polls in at least a half-dozen pivotal states, a new Associated Press survey finds the race statistically even, with Mr. Obama at 44 percent and Mr. McCain at 43 percent.

The survey found that Mr. McCain had surged among whites and people earning less than $50,000; among rural voters — he now has an 18-point advantage, up from four points in the previous poll — and on the issue of the economy, where he picked up nine percentage points and now trails the Democrat by just six points.

Harsher criticism


Mr. Obama has spent virtually the entire campaign linking Mr. McCain to the president, saying a McCain term would be "four more years of George Bush" and identifying various Republican policies with the adjective "Bush-McCain."

Mr. McCain has in recent days sharpened his criticism of Mr. Bush, including adding a line from his final debate to his daily stump speech, that if Mr. Obama "wanted to run against George Bush, he should have run four years ago."

But on Wednesday, Mr. McCain went further in distancing himself from the man who beat him for the 2000 Republican presidential nomination. In addition to the long list of failures he attributed to Mr. Bush, Mr. McCain blamed the president for supporting the Medicare prescription-drug bill, saying, "They didn't pay for it."

"They put a trillion-dollar debt on future generations of Americans, then allowed the liberals to expand it so they're paying my — they're paying for my prescription drugs. Why should the taxpayers pay for my prescription drugs?" he said with exasperation.

He rejected Mr. Bush's use of issuing "signing statements" when he signs bills into law, in which the president has suggested that he would ignore elements of the bills, labeling them potentially unconstitutional.

"I would veto the bills or say, 'Look, I don't like it but I'll obey the law that's passed by Congress and signed by the president.' I think the signing statements was not a correct implementation of the power of the executive. I think it was overstepping," he said.

And Mr. McCain emphatically rejected Mr. Bush's claims of executive privilege, often used to shield the White House from scrutiny.



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Apr 2, 2009 2:49 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
"Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember, I said it standing here, if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

Mr. Biden said Mr. Obama would have to make "some really tough" decisions when that occurs, adding emphatically: "As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's going to happen."

The Democratic vice-presidential running mate said he could envision four or five scenarios, citing the Middle East and Russia.

Mr. McCain called Mr. Biden's comment "the most remarkable comment I have ever seen in presidential politics."

"Now he is saying — if we elected Senator Obama as president of the United States we are going to have an international crisis in these very dangerous times with the economy in the tank?" Mr. McCain said.

At a press conference Wednesday in Virginia, Mr. Obama noted Mr. Biden's words, saying that although "Joe sometimes engages in rhetorical flourishes," his central point was correct and a reason to back the Democratic team.

"His core point was, the next administration is going to be tested, regardless of who it is," Mr. Obama said. "The question is: Will the next president meet that test by moving America in a new direction, by sending a clear signal to the rest of the world that we are no longer about bluster and unilateralism and ideology?"

In a statement, McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds responded: "It's not leadership for Barack Obama to promise to be straight with Americans, only to dismiss serious statements and concern from his own running mate as simple 'rhetorical flourishes.'"

Poll standings

As for the state of the campaign map, Mr. McCain said he sees himself five percentage points down to Mr. Obama in the race for Pennsylvania, although every poll in the past two weeks has put the deficit in double digits. Still, he said he is making a comeback, and pointed to comments by Democratic luminaries he said encourage him.

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Apr 2, 2009 3:00 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
"Ed Rendell just said, I want President Clinton to come back because I'm nervous," Mr. McCain said, referring to the Democratic governor of Pennsylvania who has reportedly sent memos asking the Clintons to return to the state to campaign for Mr. Obama.

Mr. McCain said Mr. Obama's giant fundraising total — he announced this weekend that he raised more than $150 million in September — is going to produce "a scandal."

His campaign and the Republican National Committee have released the names of all his donors, including those who have contributed less than $200. That's not required by federal election rules, and Mr. Obama has declined to release his small-dollar donors, leading to speculation that some donors are trying to circumvent fundraising laws.

"History is a clear indicator. Senator Obama has unleashed a force which we will pay a very heavy price for sometime in the future if not now, because it's very unlikely we can track down and document the contributions that he refuses to reveal," said Mr. McCain, who co-authored a bipartisan bill to overhaul campaign fundraising laws.

Fair campaigning

Mr. McCain took great umbrage at comments by Rep. John Lewis, Georgia Democrat, who compared the atmosphere at recent Republican rallies to those of 1960s-era segregationist George Wallace.

"Here, a guy I admire and respect, a hero of the civil rights movement, saying, making a statement that somehow [Governor Sarah] Palin and I are involved in segregationist behavior, I mean, is beyond reason. In the debate the other night, Barack Obama refused to repudiate those remarks. I've repudiated every time there's been some inappropriate comment by a GOP operative anywhere."

Mr. McCain called that failure to repudiate Mr. Lewis' comment "certainly something that I don't think is acceptable."

The Republican nominee defended his campaign strategy of targeting Mr. Obama's ties to former domestic terrorist William Ayers but not to his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.

Saying the issue of Mr. Wright has been "pretty well-ventilated," Mr. McCain said Mr. Obama has been slippery on his links to Mr. Ayers. He would not himself say being linked to Mr. Ayers makes Mr. Obama radical.

"The American people can make that judgment, he said, adding, "it's about full revelation of the relationship."

"First said it was a guy in the neighborhood, then he said, aw, well, that he knew him, now we find out he wrote blurbs for his book, now we find out that he served on the Woods Foundation board, which, coincidentally, gave ACORN $230,000," he said, referring to the liberal activist group which has long-standing ties to Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers and is accused of voter-registration fraud in several states.

"Look, it was an extensive relationship — the American people need to know the full extent of it. He's not being candid and truthful," the senator from Arizona said.


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Apr 2, 2009 3:01 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Asked whether he thinks he's getting bad press coverage (the Project for Excellence in Journalism says in a report out today that 57 percent of the stories written about him for the past six weeks have been negative, with just 14 percent positive), he said, "Ah, listen, I'm not going to complain about the press corps."

But he bristles when asked about whether he is still the "old McCain," the maverick who wowed the media with his 2000 presidential run, when he bucked the Republican Party establishment, drawing gushing praise from an infatuated media.

"The interesting thing is, and it's happened on numerous occasions, I get 'How come you're not the old McCain?' and usually it's an Obama talking point from somebody. And I say, 'OK, tell me how I've changed.' 'Well, you changed on taxes.' I say, 'Look, I was for tax cuts, I wasn't for those tax cuts,'" he said, explaining his opposition to Mr. Bush's tax cuts in 2001 and 2003.

"There is no example they can cite that I'm any different, but they want people to believe that I'm different. I understand that, but it's just baloney. I'm the same guy. … We're working as hard as we can. You just put one foot ahead of the other for the next 13 days as we have for the past two years," he said with a laugh.




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Apr 2, 2009 3:59 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
Fallingman: I think it is just the off the shelf instant negativity in advance that paints you all as right wing nuts. Of course I could be wrong!
Now what is that supposed to imply again?rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 2, 2009 4:20 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
Michael211_2000
Michael211_2000Michael211_2000Houston, Texas USA22 Threads 5 Polls 775 Posts
rocketqueen: <<<<<<<<<<<<<WELL, I'M ALL EARS


He only started 1 war. Though Saddam and sons deserved everything they got plus some, we had no valid justification for going in and giving it to them... and we've near about lost the Afgan front as a result of all the forces we had to pump in to Iraq to stabilize things there! Plus I have no confidence at all that Iraq will remain stable once our troops have all left... so what was the point in the long run?

As a Texan I have no particular interest in "improving" the lives of people from countries which promote terrorism or outright attack us here in the America's... I'm for killing them all and letting God sort 'em out. It's cheaper and faster that way. banana

But Iraq... well, not many Americans support what President Bush did there. His administration deceived far too many. Even Collin Powel, who Bush sent to the U.N. to push the case for invading Iraq, felt betrayed by the administration once he learned that the info he had been given to take to the U.N. was total BS. That speaks volumes IMHO.

The Bush administration wanted any excuse to invade Iraq. But Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist 9/11 attacks here, that was Afganistan's Taliban who were hosting, supporting and protecting Al Queda... we had the moral high ground to bomb the Taliban into oblivion and tear that country to pieces in search of the Taliban leadership IMHO. That's where our efforts SHOULD have been focused these past 7 years!

Bush was a pretty good as Govenor to the State Of Texas, but as President of the United States of American I was very much unimpressed and disappointed with his handling of things. scold

- Michael ("American by birth, Texan by the Grace of God!") sad flower
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Apr 2, 2009 4:59 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
rocketqueen: no need to attack.........

just asking thats all......thank you for your response....i just want to be as informed as possible thats all.......(although i think not all of the iraqi's and afghani's would agree with you there bebe)
I'm not attcking, just amazed that it isn't obvious after all the ink that's been spilled over his Presidency. No doubt, not all Afghani's and Iraqi's would agree, that's why I specifically mentioned the Shia's and Kurds and left out the Taliban and Sunni's in Iraq.
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Apr 2, 2009 5:03 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
wixomwizard: He gave the world a good laugh.
Better a laugh then the crying we're witnessing now....
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Apr 2, 2009 5:04 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
rocketqueen: i have long held the belief that bush is a war criminal
You don't say.....And yet you stated you only wanted to learn....
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Apr 2, 2009 5:16 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
rocketqueen: because of him invading iraq, and LYING to us about weapons of mass-destruction.......we all knew he was going in for the oil, not under the guise of WOMD and saviour of the people for which there have been MANY innocent casualties
How is it that Bush lied when many countries (among them:Germany, France, the U.K., Russia) also believed Hussein had WMD's? After all, HE DID HAVE THEM AND USE THEM ON THE KURDS. Of course oil is important-To the WHOLE world, not just the U.S.-Japan receives 2/3's of it's oil from the ME, should we just wait until he goes berzerk again and blows up more oil fields? Hussein's past behavior should make even an optimist blush. The number of casualties will probably be forever in dispute. IBC states over 110,000, a far cry from other estimates. Our biggest mistake was in not sending more troops to balnket the country to keep order, as well as "firing" all of the mostly Sunni troops-this gave them no incentive but to fight to regain their former status, many of them being from Hussein's tribe and region. Paradoxically, the U.S. administration decided on a "light footprint" in-country; they deliberately kept most U.S. soldiers on bases, where they were less effective and remote from the population, and which caused even more mistrust on the part of civilians and caused the 'wanna-be" militia's to think they could fight for control of the country.
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Apr 2, 2009 5:21 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
kitty01
kitty01kitty01St. Albert, Alberta Canada244 Threads 1 Polls 5,310 Posts
Bush invaded because of weapons of mass destruction......which were never found.....so he had to go somewhere else to not look like a fool.
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Apr 2, 2009 5:26 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK115 Threads 6 Polls 4,553 Posts
I hate to tell you, but you cant control a country with a deployment of say 200,000 troops.

It's impossible, ask any General.professor

It's hard enough to secure safe zones and areas with firebases, but every day you will have to re secure the same territory.

That's the nature of guerilla warfare.
BebeII: How is it that Bush lied when many countries (among them:Germany, France, the U.K., Russia) also believed Hussein had WMD's? After all, HE DID HAVE THEM AND USE THEM ON THE KURDS. Of course oil is important-To the WHOLE world, not just the U.S.-Japan receives 2/3's of it's oil from the ME, should we just wait until he goes berzerk again and blows up more oil fields? Hussein's past behavior should make even an optimist blush. The number of casualties will probably be forever in dispute. IBC states over 110,000, a far cry from other estimates. Our biggest mistake was in not sending more troops to balnket the country to keep order, as well as "firing" all of the mostly Sunni troops-this gave them no incentive but to fight to regain their former status, many of them being from Hussein's tribe and region. Paradoxically, the U.S. administration decided on a "light footprint" in-country; they deliberately kept most U.S. soldiers on bases, where they were less effective and remote from the population, and which caused even more mistrust on the part of civilians and caused the 'wanna-be" militia's to think they could fight for control of the country.
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Apr 2, 2009 5:29 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK115 Threads 6 Polls 4,553 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Yes Al Queda might have started the war because of 911...but the terrorists from 911 were from Saudi Arabia not Iraq...So why didn't he invade Saudi Arabia then??????


To quote Donald Rumsfeld "There are no good targets in Afghanistan".

That's why they bombed the crap out of Iraq.
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Apr 2, 2009 5:54 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
rocketqueen: or was it that BUSH didnt want to harm relations with bin-ladens who are in business with the BUSHES (do you know what HALLIBURTON PTY LTD IS?)


Do you really want to go down that path?

We could discuss Obama's appointments and their tie-ins with all types of businesses and organizations. They took millions and then bailed...
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Apr 2, 2009 5:55 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
RobbieM: To quote Donald Rumsfeld "There are no good targets in Afghanistan".

That's why they bombed the crap out of Iraq.


Actually, I rather like that... rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 2, 2009 5:56 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
kitty01: Bush invaded because of weapons of mass destruction......which were never found.....so he had to go somewhere else to not look like a fool.



Maybe Rocketqueen can gather the list of countries that supported the invasion of Iraq, because of weapons of mass destruction. It's rather lengthy...doh
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Apr 2, 2009 5:57 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
HJFinAZ
HJFinAZHJFinAZSun CIty, Arizona USA870 Threads 1 Polls 17,068 Posts
He probably sent way to much foreign aide to AU!!frustrated

tongue


rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 2, 2009 5:57 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
Indyfella: Actually, I rather like that...
they shoulda' dropped one on mecca, while they were at it....professor laugh ....hole
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Apr 2, 2009 5:58 PM CST WHAT DID BUSH DO DURING HIS TIME OF PRESIDENCY??? (APART FROM STARTING 2 WARS)
HJFinAZ
HJFinAZHJFinAZSun CIty, Arizona USA870 Threads 1 Polls 17,068 Posts
Indyfella: Actually, I rather like that...


Me too..grin I wonder if Iran has any good targets??dancing
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