Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan ( Archived) (209)

Dec 6, 2009 12:16 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
Locolynch
LocolynchLocolynchclearwater, Florida USA14 Threads 238 Posts
Obama’s plan for Afghanistan, according to Mike Whitney, inforwars.com, is a ‘carbon copy of George Bushs.’ Until victory is won in Afghanistan Pakistani casualties will almost certainly ‘double’ and probably more than likely ‘triple’. From Central Asia to Africa & from Morocco to the Philippines we still face both a domestic threat and a combination of insurgency and terrorism, now more than ever, because of Obama’s take-over of Afghanistan. Moreover, the Iraq war is not over. Obama does not mention the risks that will endure well into the future around the world in many other nations as a result of his decisions. Obama’s war plan is a threat which will divide the Islamic world. His agenda includes a much wider and longer struggle than victory in Afghanistan and Pakistan. There will be bigger wars which will escalate as a direct result of his actions. Clearly, Obama wants to rule the globe. Those who are backing Obama & creating the strategies that he is implementing in Afghanistan will not give up their dreams of global domination. Their wars will stretch across the globe & will not end in Afghanistan. It is their interests to rearranging the map of the world as we know it & its people. Obama’s handlers are practicing 'imperial politics' & they have no desire of strengthening democracy but the eventual take-over of the world. And, that’s what the escalation in Afghanistan is really all about. If that were not true, then, he would immediately order the recall of all U.S. & international military troops from that area. Instead, as soon as all resistance is crushed his imperial masters intend to ‘hand over power directly to regional warlords and their militias’ & then sell ‘the process to the public as “democratization”.’ This is precisely what took place in ‘Lebanon and the former Yugoslavia.’ This is not “democratization” but “regionalization.” The so called Afghan liberation is a cloaking devise designed to hide the true agenda. Obama’s professed commitment to wage war rather to peacefully end American involvement in that region is proof of his true intentions: and that is the ethnic cleansing of the Afghan people, and untimaltey, the entire world.
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Dec 6, 2009 12:50 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
It will certainly make a lot of people happy, especially all the people employed by those firms supplying all the war material, all the multi-global corporations and all those poor bored military personnel just mopping around with nothing constructive to do...and perhaps the growing numbers of poor, unemployed and homeless males around as the casualty rates continue to increase and they may eventually take the place of those rich and well connected enough to opt out of any service in a war zone... This is the ultimate 'equal opportunity program where virtually everyone can contribute to the war effort by being a target and/or casualty, able to serve the US New World Order...new slogans can help spur on the enlistments such as 'Praise de Lawd an' da Neu Woild Order an' pass me anoder gallon o' gas for ma SUV!' and let's not forget the main pro Israel groups who wish to cleanse the world of the Ayrab Mooselems, we can shortly probably hear 'Zionism Mach Frei!' or something equally inspiring from the Madison Ave. Ad firms...oozing 'dat ol'time religion and patriotic zealotry just oozing out of every pour...goh, it'll be so cool to hear a US puppet President say to it's people Hey,y'wall, Sig Hi !
Yep, times are-a changin'; time to polish up dem black jack boots and get you'sefs one o'dem new black uniforms and practice your straight-arm saluts! Yee Ha! (or is it 'Hee-haw! like jack-asses)laugh
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Dec 6, 2009 1:01 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
navygirl1
navygirl1navygirl1Calgary, Alberta Canada6 Threads 1,586 Posts
Locolynch: Obama’s plan for Afghanistan, according to Mike Whitney, inforwars.com, is a ‘carbon copy of George Bushs.’ Until victory is won in Afghanistan Pakistani casualties will almost certainly ‘double’ and probably more than likely ‘triple’. From Central Asia to Africa & from Morocco to the Philippines we still face both a domestic threat and a combination of insurgency and terrorism, now more than ever, because of Obama’s take-over of Afghanistan. Moreover, the Iraq war is not over. Obama does not mention the risks that will endure well into the future around the world in many other nations as a result of his decisions. Obama’s war plan is a threat which will divide the Islamic world. His agenda includes a much wider and longer struggle than victory in Afghanistan and Pakistan. There will be bigger wars which will escalate as a direct result of his actions. Clearly, Obama wants to rule the globe. Those who are backing Obama & creating the strategies that he is implementing in Afghanistan will not give up their dreams of global domination. Their wars will stretch across the globe & will not end in Afghanistan. It is their interests to rearranging the map of the world as we know it & its people. Obama’s handlers are practicing 'imperial politics' & they have no desire of strengthening democracy but the eventual take-over of the world. And, that’s what the escalation in Afghanistan is really all about. If that were not true, then, he would immediately order the recall of all U.S. & international military troops from that area. Instead, as soon as all resistance is crushed his imperial masters intend to ‘hand over power directly to regional warlords and their militias’ & then sell ‘the process to the public as “democratization”.’ This is precisely what took place in ‘Lebanon and the former Yugoslavia.’ This is not “democratization” but “regionalization.” The so called Afghan liberation is a cloaking devise designed to hide the true agenda. Obama’s professed commitment to wage war rather to peacefully end American involvement in that region is proof of his true intentions: and that is the ethnic cleansing of the Afghan people, and untimaltey, the entire world.


Well I can't speak for the American side of Afghanistan, but us Canadians just went to rid the Afghan people of the Alcida so people can live with freedom of choice. Never thought of it the way you have.
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Dec 6, 2009 1:16 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
Iuchi_Zien
Iuchi_ZienIuchi_ZienSheffield, South Yorkshire, England UK21 Threads 9 Polls 1,426 Posts
navygirl1: Well I can't speak for the American side of Afghanistan, but us Canadians just went to rid the Afghan people of the Alcida so people can live with freedom of choice. Never thought of it the way you have.


The problem is that Al Queda are only there because the US are there and when the US leaves AQ will pop up somewhere else. AQ are a terrorist uber group, they are the umbrella organisation for hundreds of little one, two, ten man terrorist groups who know that as the "Liberation of the Islamic republic of nowhere in particular" nobody will listen to them. As part of Al Queda suddenly everybody stops to hear what they have to say.
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Dec 6, 2009 1:22 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
Iuchi_Zien: The problem is that Al Queda are only there because the US are there and when the US leaves AQ will pop up somewhere else. AQ are a terrorist uber group, they are the umbrella organisation for hundreds of little one, two, ten man terrorist groups who know that as the "Liberation of the Islamic republic of nowhere in particular" nobody will listen to them. As part of Al Queda suddenly everybody stops to hear what they have to say.
Thought they were there before the Americans?
Thought they were the reason the US and NATO invaded,since Taliban wouldn't give up Bin Laden.conversing
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Dec 6, 2009 1:24 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
Locolynch
LocolynchLocolynchclearwater, Florida USA14 Threads 238 Posts
Conrad73: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPFSNu_QNs
Even so, we know Democracy has nothing to do with freedom of choice since it is actually the mob ruling the minority. In other words, the Hered policing itself. In this case our neighbors have become our worst enemies. frustrated
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Dec 6, 2009 2:04 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
navygirl1: Well I can't speak for the American side of Afghanistan, but us Canadians just went to rid the Afghan people of the Alcida so people can live with freedom of choice. Never thought of it the way you have.


You Canadians were sold the same bill of goods that we Americans were. "Freedom of choice"? It's all about geopolitics - money and power - as usual. Just as with all wars.
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Dec 6, 2009 2:26 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
I take my beer back. Nice to know you, Loco
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Dec 6, 2009 2:56 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
navygirl1
navygirl1navygirl1Calgary, Alberta Canada6 Threads 1,586 Posts
Ambrose2007: You Canadians were sold the same bill of goods that we Americans were. "Freedom of choice"? It's all about geopolitics - money and power - as usual. Just as with all wars.


It may well be but glad we didn't think that way in WW2 or we would all be speaking German and doing the goosestep.
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Dec 6, 2009 3:22 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
Locolynch
LocolynchLocolynchclearwater, Florida USA14 Threads 238 Posts
navygirl1: It may well be but glad we didn't think that way in WW2 or we would all be speaking German and doing the goosestep.
In brief, they gave us WWI in order to create the League of Nations. When that did't work they gave us WWII. But had FDR & his joint chief of staff, Henry Stempson, not manipulated the Japanese into bombing Pear Harbor the United Stated would never have entered the war. The whole purpose was to bring about the creation of the UN. Such crises, Like Pear Harbor & 911 - just to name a few - are created to coherce americans into sending their sons to fight in unjust wars around the world. And if it wasn't for this government's ability to instill & maintain this false & perverted sense of patriotism within the collective minds of the american people it would not be posssible for the Anglo-American Establishment to have gained such a powerful position in this country today.
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Dec 6, 2009 3:57 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
wulfen
wulfenwulfenCospicua, Xlokk Malta3 Threads 1 Polls 810 Posts
Ambrose2007: If soldiers knew the true reasons why they're giving up their lives, war would end. You're nothing more than cannon fodder for an elite group of very powerful people. My Canadian gf tells me you're getting out of Afghanistan in the near-future - kudos to your government for finally halting this pointless waste of Canadian lives. She has a brother in the service, by the way...


While I agree with you on the reasons America entered WW2, I do find your reasoning that if 'soldiers knew the true resons war would end' to be extremely naive.

Warfare has been, is, and will be part of human civilization as it is an intrinsic part of human nature. We 'civilized' persons would like to think that it is not so, but face it, conflict is at the root of human behaviour.

Even in 'peaceful' activities, humans compete to be the best in their careers, sports, heck even to find a partner.
Businesses try to outdo each other with small businesses going bust or being absorbed by larger ones. We find conflict even in nature on a daily basis. Carnivores hunting herbivores, animals within pack/herds striving to be dominant to mate etc.

The decision to fight in Afghanistan makes sense from a military perspective. If you have to fight, it's better to fight on enemy territory instead of friendly one. That way collateral damage isn't occurring on your own population. Another effect of the ongoing war in Afghanistan is that the many terrorists who form part of Al Qaeda (most of whom aren't even Afghans) are occupied fighting there instead of plotting new terrorist attacks in the Western world. Even if you're not wiping them out, you're keeping them pinned in place there.

Of course, you might prefer to have bombs exploding near your children, airplanes falling onto your workplace etc.

Everyone should try to avoid war, but if you're involved in war you cannot pull back punches, it's your own people who will suffer in the end if you do.
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Dec 6, 2009 4:09 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
wulfen
wulfenwulfenCospicua, Xlokk Malta3 Threads 1 Polls 810 Posts
navygirl1: I am part German myself too. Just making the point is we as military people don't like to go to war, but we do like our freedom. We don't fight because we are war mongers, we fight for our freedom. Most people just don't get that.


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Dec 6, 2009 4:15 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
kizzi44
kizzi44kizzi44nantes, Bretagne France6 Threads 398 Posts
Loco................Good reading Mate !!!!!!hug
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Dec 6, 2009 4:23 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
Locolynch
LocolynchLocolynchclearwater, Florida USA14 Threads 238 Posts
very mad Fortunately americans are beginning to realize that 911 was indeed an inside job. They are doing this because it is possible to do online as a result of some true patriots who, & often continue to be, labled as conspiracy nuts. But of course the window is closing on the internet were access to both sides of the story are available. Anyone who has the courage to accept the evidence can find it right here on line. Again, the only terrorists are right here in this country. But of course now, after american bombs have blown families homes apart, im sure there are some really pissed off people out there. I can imagine how I would feel if was Iraqi citizen at home when an American bomb comes through the roof of my house & kills all of my family while leaving me alive in the aftermath. My only reason for living from that day forward would be to kill as many americans as I possibly could. And it is presicely because of this kind of karma that will bring the Red Dawn to american shores. Let be so!frustrated
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Dec 6, 2009 4:25 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
Locolynch: Fortunately americans are beginning to realize that 911 was indeed an inside job. They are doing this because it is possible to do online as a result of some true patriots who, & often continue to be, labled as conspiracy nuts. But of course the window is closing on the internet were access to both sides of the story are available. Anyone who has the courage to accept the evidence can find it right here on line. Again, the only terrorists are right here in this country. But of course now, after american bombs have blown families homes apart, im sure there are some really pissed off people out there. I can imagine how I would feel if was Iraqi citizen at home when an American bomb comes through the roof of my house & kills all of my family while leaving me alive in the aftermath. My only reason for living from that day forward would be to kill as many americans as I possibly could. And it is presicely because of this kind of karma that will bring the Red Dawn to american shores. Let be so!
Oh Jeepers!yawn sleep
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Dec 6, 2009 4:29 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
RobertC2
RobertC2RobertC2Xaghra, Gozo, Gozo Malta91 Threads 8 Polls 8,344 Posts
navygirl1: I am part German myself too. Just making the point is we as military people don't like to go to war, but we do like our freedom. We don't fight because we are war mongers, we fight for our freedom. Most people just don't get that.


I have a German son from my second marriage - does that count? grin
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Dec 6, 2009 4:29 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
wulfen
wulfenwulfenCospicua, Xlokk Malta3 Threads 1 Polls 810 Posts
Locolynch: Fortunately americans are beginning to realize that 911 was indeed an inside job. They are doing this because it is possible to do online as a result of some true patriots who, & often continue to be, labled as conspiracy nuts. But of course the window is closing on the internet were access to both sides of the story are available. Anyone who has the courage to accept the evidence can find it right here on line. Again, the only terrorists are right here in this country. But of course now, after american bombs have blown families homes apart, im sure there are some really pissed off people out there. I can imagine how I would feel if was Iraqi citizen at home when an American bomb comes through the roof of my house & kills all of my family while leaving me alive in the aftermath. My only reason for living from that day forward would be to kill as many americans as I possibly could. And it is presicely because of this kind of karma that will bring the Red Dawn to american shores. Let be so!


Well you're entitled to your opinion, but I do see it as very far fetched. Conspiracy theories abound all the time and many remain just that, theories with little or no proof to their name.

Maybe the Taliban and Al Qaeda gaining power in Afghanishtan was an inside job on the part of the CIA as well so that in future a war could be fought there?

As for your previous claim that Obama's ultimate plan is to do an ethnic cleansing of the whole world?!! Come on man! Mind you, I'm no Obama fan myself.

That Obama, like all politicians tries to further the power of his own nation is obvious, it's what they're there for. A nation has to stay strong otherwise it will crumble. America is currently the world's sole superpower, the American government would have to be crazy to try to change that. If a politician tried to work against his own country in that way he'd be on the top of the traitor list!
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Dec 6, 2009 4:32 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
Locolynch
LocolynchLocolynchclearwater, Florida USA14 Threads 238 Posts
navygirl1: I am part German myself too. Just making the point is we as military people don't like to go to war, but we do like our freedom. We don't fight because we are war mongers, we fight for our freedom. Most people just don't get that.
Oh, I get it. You have been tricked into believing that your freedoms are in danger when actually there "was" no threat. Oh but there is now!!!
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Dec 6, 2009 4:33 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
Locolynch
LocolynchLocolynchclearwater, Florida USA14 Threads 238 Posts
batten down the hatches mate because we are in for one hewllva ride!rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 6, 2009 4:40 PM CST Ethnic Cleansing in Afghanistan
wulfen
wulfenwulfenCospicua, Xlokk Malta3 Threads 1 Polls 810 Posts
Locolynch: Oh, I get it. You have been tricked into believing that your freedoms are in danger when actually there "was" no threat. Oh but there is now!!!


She is doing her job and her duty, nothing more, so that people like you can continue to live safely at home and bash her for it. scold

As for your ludicrous claims of 'ethnic cleansing in afghanistan', care to tell me where these imaginary concentration camps where the Afghans are being cleansed located?

So far as I know, terrorists captured by NATO are treated as prisoners of war, it's the other side which is in the habit of beheading and cutting the throats of any prisoners that fall in their hands, routinely breach human rights, even on their own people. Just see how women are treated in lovely Al Qaedaland. scold
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