bohdiprana: The constellation of Taurus. We're really friendly lol, though stress does like to do Reptilain immitations.
Gosh Bohdi...I always pronounced your last part of your name as Piranha. Hence maybe your reptilian fish like heritage here as I thought that perhaps you are indeed a descendant of the missing link below:(4 The record, just friendly bantering with you)
(CNN)(Jan 8 10) -- Scientists have found the oldest fossilized footprints made by a four-legged creature forcing a rethink on when fish first crawled out of water and onto land.
The discovery of the footprints in a former quarry in the Holy Cross Mountains in south-eastern Poland are thought to be 395-million years old -- 18 million years older than the earliest tetrapod (a vertebrate with limbs rather than fins) body fossils.
The report published Thursday in the science journal Nature says the footprints of the tetrapod measure up to 26 (10 inches) centimeters wide, which scientists say is indicative of an animal around 2.5 (7.5 feet) meters in length.
The footprints are also 10 million years earlier than the oldest known elpistostegids -- creatures which displayed some animal characteristics but retained fins.
Philippe Janvier from the Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle in Paris, and reviewer of the paper told CNN: "It is a really stunning discovery because it's the earliest evidence we have of tetrapods. These footprints are clear enough to attest that tetrapods were there 395 millions years ago."
The report's authors say their findings "force a radical reassessment of the timing, ecology and environmental setting of the fish-tetrapod transition, as well as the completeness of the body fossil record."
As well as finding fossilized footprints, Per Ahlberg, Professor of Evolutionary Organismal Biology, Uppsala University, Sweden and his co-authors from the Polish Geological Institute in Warsaw also report finding several tracks of different sizes and characteristics.
The tracks, they say, have distinctive 'hand' and 'foot' prints and no evidence of a dragging body.
Ahlberg said in a video on the Nature Web site: "The trackway shows pairs of prints -- the sort of tracks a salamander would leave if it walked. In order to make tracks like the ones found you need to have front legs and back legs that are about the same size."
Ahlberg said the disused quarry where the fossils were discovered has yielded some of the most exciting finds he has encountered in his career as a paleontologist.
Although Janvier describes the lack of skeletal evidence as "frustrating" it doesn't undermine the importance of the discovery. "It changes what we thought about the evolutionary tree concerning the part dealing with transition from fish to land vertebrae." Janvier said.
"The divergence between the tetrapods and their closest fish relatives is much younger than previously thought and it obliges us to find actual evidence -- skeletons or complete fossils -- in much earlier strata that could enlighten us between this divergence."
phoenixrising1OPnorthern, British Columbia Canada1,086 posts
LILLYLADY: What? You call me a kid? You better mind your manners there when you are talking here to your senior in age? Where's your respect for my age
you tricked me with a picture of when you were 22...
LILLYLADY: Gosh Bohdi...I always pronounced your last part of your name as Piranha. Hence maybe your reptilian fish like heritage here as I thought that perhaps you are indeed a descendant of the missing link below:(4 The record, just friendly bantering with you)
(CNN)(Jan 8 10) -- Scientists have found the oldest fossilized footprints made by a four-legged creature forcing a rethink on when fish first crawled out of water and onto land.
The discovery of the footprints in a former quarry in the Holy Cross Mountains in south-eastern Poland are thought to be 395-million years old -- 18 million years older than the earliest tetrapod (a vertebrate with limbs rather than fins) body fossils.
The report published Thursday in the science journal Nature says the footprints of the tetrapod measure up to 26 (10 inches) centimeters wide, which scientists say is indicative of an animal around 2.5 (7.5 feet) meters in length.
The footprints are also 10 million years earlier than the oldest known elpistostegids -- creatures which displayed some animal characteristics but retained fins.
Philippe Janvier from the Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle in Paris, and reviewer of the paper told CNN: "It is a really stunning discovery because it's the earliest evidence we have of tetrapods. These footprints are clear enough to attest that tetrapods were there 395 millions years ago."
The report's authors say their findings "force a radical reassessment of the timing, ecology and environmental setting of the fish-tetrapod transition, as well as the completeness of the body fossil record."
As well as finding fossilized footprints, Per Ahlberg, Professor of Evolutionary Organismal Biology, Uppsala University, Sweden and his co-authors from the Polish Geological Institute in Warsaw also report finding several tracks of different sizes and characteristics.
The tracks, they say, have distinctive 'hand' and 'foot' prints and no evidence of a dragging body.
Ahlberg said in a video on the Nature Web site: "The trackway shows pairs of prints -- the sort of tracks a salamander would leave if it walked. In order to make tracks like the ones found you need to have front legs and back legs that are about the same size."
Ahlberg said the disused quarry where the fossils were discovered has yielded some of the most exciting finds he has encountered in his career as a paleontologist.
Although Janvier describes the lack of skeletal evidence as "frustrating" it doesn't undermine the importance of the discovery. "It changes what we thought about the evolutionary tree concerning the part dealing with transition from fish to land vertebrae." Janvier said.
"The divergence between the tetrapods and their closest fish relatives is much younger than previously thought and it obliges us to find actual evidence -- skeletons or complete fossils -- in much earlier strata that could enlighten us between this divergence."
Ya that was me, bohdipiranha I'll mail you and tell you where the skeleton is as long as you promise not to tell anyone.
If God was subject to verification there would be nothing to dicuss on this topic.Promise you this much,if he were to turn up he would prove to be the ultimate practical joker... As for BodhiP{i]rana and StressFree...No they do NOT exist....I made them up in an idle moment and they have no other Creator.
LILLYLADY: This subject has been on this forums many times before. Each person has their own belief system about whether God does or does not exist. There is no right or wrong when it comes to verification or falsification. Everyone's personal beliefs should be respected. In the past, this subject has gotten people banned as well as threads locked when religious fanatics bashed everyone else's views and insisted their way was the only way. Read back over the lists of religion, spirituality and philosophy threads and you may find your answer to your forum question.
I want to say that I believe in God, am a Christian. I have a belief that many other Christians do not agree with, though, and that is God is individualized to me. In other words, I don't buy this "blanket" policy thing that everything is set in stone for everyone. Of course there are universal conduct rights and wrongs, you don't hurt others, take what doesn't belong to you, lie, etc... but as far as spiritual gifts God takes care and communicates with me in a different way than He does with anybody else, and there is no "wrong' about this just because he sees me as a unique person and in turn is unique to ME. Does that explain how I feel? I had a hard time putting this into words. thanx
bohdiprana: Ya that was me, bohdipiranha I'll mail you and tell you where the skeleton is as long as you promise not to tell anyone.
Nah, you don't have to mail me to tell me where yur skeleton is. It is in a rock closet somethere in Polish quarry.
The discovery of the footprints in a former quarry in the Holy Cross Mountains in south-eastern Poland are thought to be 395-million years old -- 18 million years older than the earliest tetrapod (a vertebrate with limbs rather than fins) body fossils.
LILLYLADY: Nah, you don't have to mail me to tell me where yur skeleton is. It is in a rock closet somethere in Polish quarry.
The discovery of the footprints in a former quarry in the Holy Cross Mountains in south-eastern Poland are thought to be 395-million years old -- 18 million years older than the earliest tetrapod (a vertebrate with limbs rather than fins) body fossils.
rohaan: I want to say that I believe in God, am a Christian. I have a belief that many other Christians do not agree with, though, and that is God is individualized to me. In other words, I don't buy this "blanket" policy thing that everything is set in stone for everyone. Of course there are universal conduct rights and wrongs, you don't hurt others, take what doesn't belong to you, lie, etc... but as far as spiritual gifts God takes care and communicates with me in a different way than He does with anybody else, and there is no "wrong' about this just because he sees me as a unique person and in turn is unique to ME. Does that explain how I feel? I had a hard time putting this into words. thanx
You have also very nicely stated how people should feel regarding their belief in their creator. Like you say, it is a personal experience that is individualized. There is no right or wrong way to have that experience. I believe it is the same idea for a person who doesn't believe in a God though. Each person has something that guides them in right and wrong actions but not necessarily a belief in a formal God or deity as their spiritual experience. I believe an atheist would have a much better explanation than I am offering here as to their personal views of life and their experiences that form their views.
wonderworker: If God was subject to verification there would be nothing to dicuss on this topic.Promise you this much,if he were to turn up he would prove to be the ultimate practical joker... As for BodhiP{i]rana and StressFree...No they do NOT exist....I made them up in an idle moment and they have no other Creator.
OK divine creator ....I'm questioning your verification of this matter. Are you denying the evolutionary importance of Streefree and Bodhipirranha's here and now existence? OMG, the implications of their non existence is just awful.
phoenixrising1OPnorthern, British Columbia Canada1,086 posts
[quote=wonderworker]If God was subject to verification there would be nothing to dicuss on this topic.Promise you this much,if he were to turn up he would prove to be the ultimate practical joker... As for BodhiP{i]rana and StressFree...No they do NOT exist....I made them up in an idle moment and they have no other Creator.
phoenixrising1: can we talk about GOD within the realm of verification and falsification?
...in case there are any bored logs out there
Well, there is the monotheistic, polytheistic, and pantheistic version of God and Gods. Can they be independently verified or falsified and who gets the benefit of the doubt?
We have the monotheistic God from the Judeo-Christian-Islam heritage, then we have the pantheon of Gods perspective ranging from Mesoamerican to Pagan to Hindu to Greek to Norse and Egyptian mythologies. The list can go on and on.
In any case, we all have different meanings and perceptions of there being a God, Gods, no God/Gods and higher entities or higher selves. It's all a subjective experience that some may or may not identify with. It's pointless to try and convince somebody wrong as everybody is entitled to their version of truth and reality. We are only responsible for our truths, not others. Other beliefs should be respected, even if it is not in agreement, and discussed in a civil manner. However, once a belief is pushed on somebody as the ultimate truth and in the process creates disharmony and pain, then there is a huge problem. And it should be noted that you should continue to discover your truth in your journey of exploration and path to happiness, unconditional love, and harmony. Seed knowledge and wisdom and you will see the new doors that will be presented to you.
Wow Stress, you put the entire gamit of meanings and perceptions of what I was trying to say early on about God/non God spiritual experience in perfect perspective. I knew that you would be the right person to explain this. You are so 100% correct as life and what we make of it is our personal journey and with knowledge, new doors will be presented. But on the way to reach the new doors, it is not appropriate to cause disharmony and pain to others. Now, if only some of the religious fanatics on this site would respect others and not insist that their way is the only way, there would be so much more harmony on this site in general.
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OK, ya got me here! Where are the Plaedian ET spies from? Maybe that is something that only you and Stress know for sure?