2012 ??? -- Dates In Persepctive (249)
JRobert369Southampton, New Jersey USA34 PostsSince the Mayans were mentioned and so was the date of 21 Dec 2012 and everyone is looking it up, then you should Google 21 May 2011. If you are someone who read the Bible or have a Bible, then check the verses from the websites along with the Bible that you have. We have less than 490 days.
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MGaff:
What if at specific points determined by the cycles of the Manifest Universe, all possible realities became one for a time, and then returned to the multiplicity? What if this is what is approaching?
What if at specific points determined by the cycles of the Manifest Universe, all possible realities became one for a time, and then returned to the multiplicity? What if this is what is approaching?
Hmmm...that concept sounds a lot like the spiritual plane realm of non-physical existence---Oneness, the Source, the Light, and God to others. As I understand it, if you are at the source level, you may choose to return to a physical existence of infinite multiplicity---in the sense of a water drop separated from the source/ocean or a cell of a body.
So in a sense, if we are to assume that all is one and one is all, and that we are on an ascension path back to the source, then it's possible what you are saying, but not in a physical reality. The notion that all possible realities exist in parallel worlds (divided by vibrational frequencies) has been discussed as far as a physical reality is concerned. However, in the spiritual plane or non-physical realm---say as a light being---then there is only one existence from what I understand.
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MGaff: Cool, that would explain much!
Guess l'll have to be nice to ya now...
Guess l'll have to be nice to ya now...
free will is preferred. 
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JRobert369: Since the Mayans were mentioned and so was the date of 21 Dec 2012 and everyone is looking it up, then you should Google 21 May 2011. If you are someone who read the Bible or have a Bible, then check the verses from the websites along with the Bible that you have. We have less than 490 days.
Perhaps you could encapsulate a small explanation, since its already in your head.
I have heard other May 20 predictions relative to an eclipse, most notably shown in a crop circle.
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StressFree: Hmmm...that concept sounds a lot like the spiritual plane realm of non-physical existence---Oneness, the Source, the Light, and God to others. As I understand it, if you are at the source level, you may choose to return to a physical existence of infinite multiplicity---in the sense of a water drop separated from the source/ocean or a cell of a body.
So in a sense, if we are to assume that all is one and one is all, and that we are on an ascension path back to the source, then it's possible what you are saying, but not in a physical reality. The notion that all possible realities exist in parallel worlds (divided by vibrational frequencies) has been discussed as far as a physical reality is concerned. However, in the spiritual plane or non-physical realm---say as a light being---then there is only one existence from what I understand.
So in a sense, if we are to assume that all is one and one is all, and that we are on an ascension path back to the source, then it's possible what you are saying, but not in a physical reality. The notion that all possible realities exist in parallel worlds (divided by vibrational frequencies) has been discussed as far as a physical reality is concerned. However, in the spiritual plane or non-physical realm---say as a light being---then there is only one existence from what I understand.
I think we're reading too much into the word ascension. We're treating it like the ultimate ride to the top, when it could just be another step in what is a much bigger ladder so to speak.
What intrigues me is that by all accounts, the 4th Density is this compassionate/love (chakra) where there is no way to lie without others knowing it, that everything we do is known, everything we have ever done is known, not just to us but to everyone around us. So, you've arrived (or ascended) here in this can't hide no more existence, how do you feel?
Bashar alludes to this as well, which is why when he mentioned that the quarantine is over, I thought maybe the 'veil' was over as well. He goes on to talk about knowing that others hate you and want to kill you, or love you and want to love you etc in this new density. Seems to me ascension is just the next step in what to me appears to be a logical progression of humanity that is getting real tired of having things kept from them, not only in government but in personal relationships, commerce, etc etc ..
Just something I noticed.
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bohdiprana: This is how I see the dimension thingy. I can see how an original consciouness, the original creator I'll call it, would at some point realize it could splinter it's self, by using intent to create other 'images' of it's self and have each and everyone of them following whatever path choice comes up in consciousness in not only it's own perception of self, but also in those it has given consciousness to, you, me, etc.
Yes, I'm with that concept. Energy can split off into different existences with different states of consciousness---as we have discussed---first-second-third-fourth densities. Water/rocks/minerals-plants/animals-humans/whales etc, the essence of existences/lives on earth in both spacetime and timespace. To my understanding, there is not distinction between the energies, in that they are again part and parcel of the whole. They are merely associated with one or more particular levels of awarenesses in a symphony of experience.
bohdiprana:
I can also see us doing that, since we have the same 'ability' though we're cut off from immediate manifestation, so most of us don't really notice that we're god because the manifestations don't appear right away or they appear in variations of wehat we thought we wanted because our attention to them was unclear thinkning. Some don't notice anything at all of course, totally lost in physical beingness
I can also see us doing that, since we have the same 'ability' though we're cut off from immediate manifestation, so most of us don't really notice that we're god because the manifestations don't appear right away or they appear in variations of wehat we thought we wanted because our attention to them was unclear thinkning. Some don't notice anything at all of course, totally lost in physical beingness
Agreed and great point. In this dense physical form, supposedly thoughts have to clear a lot of channels in order to manifest and it takes time---that's why it's important to hold on to that positive thought and keep reinforcing it with conviction and belief. And once those thoughts do start to manifest, they do it fast with great acceleration.
bohdiprana:
So, my thoughts are that this is the dimensional factor of 'gawd' and also of us in potentia. I don't think it's quite that simple in how Bashar seems to present it, that it happens without thought or intention. I think there needs to be as MG and I were alluding to yesterday, 4 components in enlightenment in order manifest what we are calling a parallel you or me (another dimensional being)...the process is genarally- desire, definition, dedication, detachment...or in lay terms- attention, intention, action, release. (also the 1st four cards of the major arcana, tarot me thinks)
Of course I'm not denying that 'we' haven't already done that prior to our present illsuion. It's entirely possible,... the higher self comes to mind as just one other dimensional being, but I have doubts that we are, in this present state, creating as many dimensional beings as Bashar seems to suggest.
So, my thoughts are that this is the dimensional factor of 'gawd' and also of us in potentia. I don't think it's quite that simple in how Bashar seems to present it, that it happens without thought or intention. I think there needs to be as MG and I were alluding to yesterday, 4 components in enlightenment in order manifest what we are calling a parallel you or me (another dimensional being)...the process is genarally- desire, definition, dedication, detachment...or in lay terms- attention, intention, action, release. (also the 1st four cards of the major arcana, tarot me thinks)
Of course I'm not denying that 'we' haven't already done that prior to our present illsuion. It's entirely possible,... the higher self comes to mind as just one other dimensional being, but I have doubts that we are, in this present state, creating as many dimensional beings as Bashar seems to suggest.
Hmmm...the best I can nutshell this without writing a huge post, is that the universe is always branching off and dividing and weaving together like a fractal due to the nature of time, and that parallel universes are weaving together that share the same space. So in that sense, let us consider crossroads that all of us has been at. We make a decision to do one thing and yet we could have several other decisions that would put us on another path---meaning that the other decisions become a reality too and come to pass, but in a parallel universe that is closer in vibration---almost identical with some differences. The other universes (other thoughts and decisions at the crossroads) may be drastically different in vibration depending on the decisions and directions made by the alternate yous. This whole post is under the idea that thoughts and decisions are powerful frequencies that warp matter---manifests our reality. Even those non-decisions we almost took and never realized by our awareness, but supposedly those thoughts (energy vibrations) had to manifest somewhere to balance out---energy never dies---just transits.
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MGaff: Okay, so to get past this, l use the term Karma, but to me it means something different to what is traditionally understood. Karma is however central to my view of the Human condition and other understandings, so all l'm looking to know is that when l use the word Karma, that you see that l'm not speaking of what you understand/understood it to mean. l'm trying to illustate a phenomenon, for which l use the word Karma, because there is no other word l can use to describe this phenomenon. For me Karma means "unlearned lessons" brought about in this life or others, that, as yet have not been resolved, stuck points in the energy system that cause indirect resistance to the overall fluidity/flo. l'm not trying to convince you that it does or doesn't exist, simply defining terms.
gotcha! Unlearned lessons is a compatible reasoning for jumping into any specific polarity experience. You could use the word teeter-totter from now on?
You say lesson, I say experience. I guess I am just trying to get across that one doesn't need to be wrapped up in 'karma', it's as easy to get off as a teeter totter, though sometimes even that isn't so easy, literally.
In any event, phenomena and understanding complete.
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From what l understand of Numerology, those with 33 have attained enlightenment in previous lives, so from that perspective it may be that you personally are beyond Karma, and so living in Dharma. That is not so for most...
From what l understand of Numerology, those with 33 have attained enlightenment in previous lives, so from that perspective it may be that you personally are beyond Karma, and so living in Dharma. That is not so for most...
I've been so wrapped up in this illusion's karma. I'm no buddha, nor have I delved deeply into buddhism. Same goes for numerology. Though I am in some things, an addictive personality, I have also have this A.D.D thing that keeps me looking at a million different things rather than focusing on one subject for long periods.
I know its just an excuse but it works for me.sometimes I am adharma
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StressFree: Hmmm...that concept sounds a lot like the spiritual plane realm of non-physical existence---Oneness, the Source, the Light, and God to others. As I understand it, if you are at the source level, you may choose to return to a physical existence of infinite multiplicity---in the sense of a water drop separated from the source/ocean or a cell of a body.
So in a sense, if we are to assume that all is one and one is all, and that we are on an ascension path back to the source, then it's possible what you are saying, but not in a physical reality. The notion that all possible realities exist in parallel worlds (divided by vibrational frequencies) has been discussed as far as a physical reality is concerned. However, in the spiritual plane or non-physical realm---say as a light being---then there is only one existence from what I understand.
So in a sense, if we are to assume that all is one and one is all, and that we are on an ascension path back to the source, then it's possible what you are saying, but not in a physical reality. The notion that all possible realities exist in parallel worlds (divided by vibrational frequencies) has been discussed as far as a physical reality is concerned. However, in the spiritual plane or non-physical realm---say as a light being---then there is only one existence from what I understand.
so what l'm asking here is: What if at appointed points along the time-lines that the physical plane came to Mirror the Spiritual plane. lf we are to see the microcosm in the macro, as above so below. if we are supposed to be traveling away from and back to source, and all of us are diverse aspects of a greater awareness, then it stands to reason that there will come a point where all potential possibilities are explored, especiallys as there are numerous trackways being explored simultaniously. So what if all possible you's become one for a time at the physical plane, all wanting to use the body that you call yours, would all those aspects be seeking harmonious co-habitation, or would there be a fight for dominance and control? And remember that this would be happening world wide to everyone....
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MGaff: so what l'm asking here is: What if at appointed points along the time-lines that the physical plane came to Mirror the Spiritual plane. lf we are to see the microcosm in the macro, as above so below. if we are supposed to be traveling away from and back to source, and all of us are diverse aspects of a greater awareness, then it stands to reason that there will come a point where all potential possibilities are explored, especiallys as there are numerous trackways being explored simultaniously. So what if all possible you's become one for a time at the physical plane, all wanting to use the body that you call yours, would all those aspects be seeking harmonious co-habitation, or would there be a fight for dominance and control? And remember that this would be happening world wide to everyone....
You guys really want to see the movie NEXT.
It explores a great deal of what you're talking about, except that it kind of wipes out any unchosen paths...but it does show him taking a number of them in the same moment and ends in a way you might not expect.
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bohdiprana: You guys really want to see the movie NEXT.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0435705/
It explores a great deal of what you're talking about, except that it kind of wipes out any unchosen paths...but it does show him taking a number of them in the same moment and ends in a way you might not expect.
It explores a great deal of what you're talking about, except that it kind of wipes out any unchosen paths...but it does show him taking a number of them in the same moment and ends in a way you might not expect.
l saw it when it came out, can't remember the ending tho
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MGaff: l saw it when it came out, can't remember the ending tho
make one up
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MGaff: You guys seen Avatar?
I haven't yet, not out here yet.
I know there's other ways, but I would prefer to wait for the bloo ray experience, since I have the best system ever for watching movies.
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bohdiprana:
You're leaving out detachment, placing too much emphasis on the physical nature of action/dedication. (silly humans)If you don't detach... how can I say this ... you keep strings on the manifestation, holding it back so to speak, in case you want to alter it. Kind of like leaving the paint brush on the canvas. Better to detach and then come back with a new element or increased awareness of your intended results
You're leaving out detachment, placing too much emphasis on the physical nature of action/dedication. (silly humans)If you don't detach... how can I say this ... you keep strings on the manifestation, holding it back so to speak, in case you want to alter it. Kind of like leaving the paint brush on the canvas. Better to detach and then come back with a new element or increased awareness of your intended results
Isn't detachment just a change in vibration as in changing your beliefs, emotions, and behaviors so you attain a new perception and sense of self? Holding on to a positive thought is detaching from a negative thought and energy. If you don't feed those negative energies with negative actions and reactions---and stop focusing on negative thoughts---then you detach from that state of emotion or vibration and manifest the opposite.
bohdiprana:
I see what you mean. again I don't see us in this present illusion able to do such things but well within the realm of possibility for higher self.
I see what you mean. again I don't see us in this present illusion able to do such things but well within the realm of possibility for higher self.
Well, we don't consciously do these other decisions and land in parallel realities, it just happens supposedly---those thoughts and decisions you think were never made---had to go somewhere. I know, it's really a crazy concept. Your reality, you, your personal reality could be defined as a circle. You, in your conscious state, can only comprehend the point or segment that your mind is capable of perceiving. Your awareness is only capable of perceiving that which is directly in front of you. Not to say that you cannot see beyond your own nose, but we would use that analogy in the sense of an overall picture. All that you are and all that you have been and all that you shall be, are on that circle. but your perception of that is simply that which is small enough for your conscious mind to perceive. You are, on higher planes, aware of the sum of total of your existence. However, your conscious mind, on the plane from which you are speaking, is only capable of that which is most immediate to your conscious mind---and I'm sure you've have some experiences in dreams, or meditation, or DMT type experiences where you have penetrated these other dimensions and had a glimpse of these alternate realities that you may think is in the future---some of them are experienced in your conscious state down the road, and some are not in your conscious state.
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MGaff: Without a doubt the worst case of schizophrenia! But within the realm of possibility none-the-less!
You guys make it sounds so horrible.
There isn't any moment that you are the same you that you were before that moment. Each moment is a different you. Call it schizophrenic if you like, but since there is no real time, and no place but here, once you return to you or become fully aware of this, you're going to know every you that has ever existed and maybe more.
don't freak out now though.
wait for the bell sound in 2012. 
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bohdiprana: you're looking at infinity from a human view here. Of course since there is no real time, one can and is indeed seeing everything at once. There is only now, only here.
Did you see bashars workshop on 'time'? Creating "heres" that result in what we perceive as time? It really takes 'no' time to just be in another here.
Maybe I can find it. He uses the lights to show what he means.
Did you see bashars workshop on 'time'? Creating "heres" that result in what we perceive as time? It really takes 'no' time to just be in another here.
Maybe I can find it. He uses the lights to show what he means.
I was answering MGaff's question in the context concerning the physical plane and all possible yous existing at once in a dense and physical reality and I see what you mean---all is existing simultaneously, as opposed to all is happening simultaneously. But we are consciously tuned into this existence, and not aware of all the other planes that surround us---though we do have our moments. I've already made the distinction from the infinite physical existences and the one existence in the astral/spiritual plane. It's two different points of awareness. So long as we are in physical form, there is no way to see everything at once.
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Isn't detachment just a change in vibration as in changing your beliefs, emotions, and behaviors so you attain a new perception and sense of self? Holding on to a positive thought is detaching from a negative thought and energy. If you don't feed those negative energies with negative actions and reactions---and stop focusing on negative thoughts---then you detach from that state of emotion or vibration and manifest the opposite.
For me, bringing anything to manifestation is a process of defined stages. l see the detachment stage as a statement that l have completed the Manifestation. Without this stage l remain in the "process" and so what is being manifested does not Land so to speak. lt is the Amen, the And So lt ls!. lt can be equated with conception, there is a specific about of time needed before the birth, when you detach the fetus is held and protected within the womb, but if you don't detach, then it remains vulnerable to negativity (thoughts) and so can be aborted, vaguely resembling what you tried to manifest, but not exactly what you "intended".
For me, bringing anything to manifestation is a process of defined stages. l see the detachment stage as a statement that l have completed the Manifestation. Without this stage l remain in the "process" and so what is being manifested does not Land so to speak. lt is the Amen, the And So lt ls!. lt can be equated with conception, there is a specific about of time needed before the birth, when you detach the fetus is held and protected within the womb, but if you don't detach, then it remains vulnerable to negativity (thoughts) and so can be aborted, vaguely resembling what you tried to manifest, but not exactly what you "intended".
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bohdiprana: You guys make it sounds so horrible. There isn't any moment that you are the same you that you were before that moment. Each moment is a different you. Call it schizophrenic if you like, but since there is no real time, and no place but here, once you return to you or become fully aware of this, you're going to know every you that has ever existed and maybe more.
don't freak out now though. wait for the bell sound in 2012.
don't freak out now though. wait for the bell sound in 2012.
You know all this talk about 2012, l haven't done in years! we normally talk about "2013 and beyond", especially about 2026 thats when it's really gonna kick off!
Have you noticed the synchronicity in the fact that the Maya Had 13 months of 20 days to their year. 20and 13...2013
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MGaff: Isn't detachment just a change in vibration as in changing your beliefs, emotions, and behaviors so you attain a new perception and sense of self? Holding on to a positive thought is detaching from a negative thought and energy. If you don't feed those negative energies with negative actions and reactions---and stop focusing on negative thoughts---then you detach from that state of emotion or vibration and manifest the opposite.
For me, bringing anything to manifestation is a process of defined stages. l see the detachment stage as a statement that l have completed the Manifestation. Without this stage l remain in the "process" and so what is being manifested does not Land so to speak. lt is the Amen, the And So lt ls!. lt can be equated with conception, there is a specific about of time needed before the birth, when you detach the fetus is held and protected within the womb, but if you don't detach, then it remains vulnerable to negativity (thoughts) and so can be aborted, vaguely resembling what you tried to manifest, but not exactly what you "intended".
For me, bringing anything to manifestation is a process of defined stages. l see the detachment stage as a statement that l have completed the Manifestation. Without this stage l remain in the "process" and so what is being manifested does not Land so to speak. lt is the Amen, the And So lt ls!. lt can be equated with conception, there is a specific about of time needed before the birth, when you detach the fetus is held and protected within the womb, but if you don't detach, then it remains vulnerable to negativity (thoughts) and so can be aborted, vaguely resembling what you tried to manifest, but not exactly what you "intended".
right on.It doesn't mean one can't revist the desire and reprocess the thought in another session... but it is important to detach from it, as it is also just as important to be clear in each of the other three (desire,definition,dedication every time you re-attach) or else you're opening a can of worms. Not easy in this illusion, but with practice one can.
Make it so.
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MGaff: You guys seen Avatar?
Not yet, have you? Is it worth seeing?
bohdiprana: Of course since there is no real time, one can and is indeed seeing everything at once. There is only now, only here.
Did you see bashars workshop on 'time'? Creating "heres" that result in what we perceive as time? It really takes 'no' time to just be in another here.
Maybe I can find it. He uses the lights to show what he means.
Did you see bashars workshop on 'time'? Creating "heres" that result in what we perceive as time? It really takes 'no' time to just be in another here.
Maybe I can find it. He uses the lights to show what he means.
I think I saw it once, but I don't remember clearly. But I am listening to it right now---frequency being a function of time.
Other sources have stated that which we consider to be part of the dimension called time, actually encompasses several dimensions. It is composed of many more dimensions than that, but the others are lumped under the label we call "time". That is why strange things happen which are inexplicable, due to the nature of these various dimensions interacting with each other, which we perceive as one dimension. Therefore it's conflicting and wacky at times. The various natures of these various dimensions which we call time are these extra dimensions. We are capable of perceiving them, but our scientists try to rationalize them away However, our body is equipped to perceive the, and it is this perception of these other dimensions that gives rise to what we have labeled as "psychic powers". These psychic powers are said to not be extraordinary. They are along the same lines of our being able to perceive depth, length, width. These psychic powers are your tuning in to these other dimensions that we have lumped under the concept of time. Carl Jung has done some amazing observations with the psychic realm/psychic events in time and how it relates and affects our concept of time.
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