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MGaff: Let me tell you about the "Enemy" of CLARITY:
This is seen as a fixation of the Assemblage point. lt is when you get someone who has taken a stance mentally that is fixed and unassailable.
As the assemblage point is the point where perception is "Assembled" and remembering that perception creates the reality/illusion that we "experience" and that what you seek you "Shall" find, what happens is that the Enemy of CLARITY literaly creates all that is needed to bolster the Fixation.
lt does this by interpreting what others say in such a way as to prove that they just don't understand what is being said.
And so the fixation is bolstered, and from CLARITY the individual begins again trying to explain to the other why they just don't get the Truth of what is being said. This continues until such time as....For the last phrase Meditate on it
This is seen as a fixation of the Assemblage point. lt is when you get someone who has taken a stance mentally that is fixed and unassailable.
As the assemblage point is the point where perception is "Assembled" and remembering that perception creates the reality/illusion that we "experience" and that what you seek you "Shall" find, what happens is that the Enemy of CLARITY literaly creates all that is needed to bolster the Fixation.
lt does this by interpreting what others say in such a way as to prove that they just don't understand what is being said.
And so the fixation is bolstered, and from CLARITY the individual begins again trying to explain to the other why they just don't get the Truth of what is being said. This continues until such time as....For the last phrase Meditate on it
Unfortunately this anecdotal clarification, omits a plethora of causality and an infinite number of reasons to experience the fixation, the perceived clarity, the bolstering and interpreting and yes even the 'enemy of all those' in an infinite variety of ways. It to is an experience, to be had, for neither right nor wrong.
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You've reattached!!!! 
Welcome back my friend.!
It's quite a dance isn't it? What's more important, inherent or evolving? Resistance or pressure? De-fined or con-fused? Neither.
In forever everything is on time. Besides, I am here for the experience, the dance and indeed the catalyst of pressure and resistance.
I just don't do karma.
If SF ever comes over to my side of the polarity, the atomic structure of our relationship would no doubt go super nova.
Welcome back my friend.!
MGaff: What is the difference between De-fined and Con-finedfused? As you said Prana, us "old Souls" are wise in the ways of polarity. So here for you are the poles of awareness, your pole= lnherent Awareness, StressFree's pole= Evolving Awareness...Resistance begets pressure...
It's quite a dance isn't it? What's more important, inherent or evolving? Resistance or pressure? De-fined or con-fused? Neither.
In forever everything is on time. Besides, I am here for the experience, the dance and indeed the catalyst of pressure and resistance.
I just don't do karma.
If SF ever comes over to my side of the polarity, the atomic structure of our relationship would no doubt go super nova.
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MGaff: What is the difference between De-fined and Con-finedfused? As you said Prana, us "old Souls" are wise in the ways of polarity. So here for you are the poles of awareness, your pole= lnherent Awareness, StressFree's pole= Evolving Awareness...Resistance begets pressure....
You've no doubt seen those cartoons where the character is tied up on a conveyor belt, heading toward the giant saw, trying to figure out ways to extricate himself. IN the movie he usually frees himself or something comes along to save him; but in the cartoons he doesn't get out of it and ends up being sawed in half, blood spattering everywhere.
He gets up though and comes back again in another scene doing it all over again, in the hero/villan polarity. Or Wiley Coyote and his never ending ways of blowing himself up. He never seems to 'learn' the 'lesson'.
What he does do though, is come up with those infinite numbers of ways to experience the polarity. He's actually pretty smart when it comes to living the reality of catalyst, when you think about it. There is no lesson, just experience of an infinite number of ways of blowing one's self up.
Of course the cartoonist in his human paradigm has to add the character's frustration and anger as reason to continue; but the real Wiley Coyote knows he doesn't need the frustration to continue doing it, because doing it is reason enough.
SF is most def. a polar to my self. Unresolvable Newtonian Laws.
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Watch the guy at the top of the stairs. Learning his lessons? 
Them aliens can cut off their pain receptors!!?
Them aliens can cut off their pain receptors!!?
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bohdiprana: Unfortunately this anecdotal clarification, omits a plethora of causality and an infinite number of reasons to experience the fixation, the perceived clarity, the bolstering and interpreting and yes even the 'enemy of all those' in an infinite variety of ways. It to is an experience, to be had, for neither right nor wrong.
Wow, you're right in there dude!
This is not an anecdote.
There is no right or wrong, but l don't see what that has to do with what l posted.
There is however a movement, a flow. Upward/Downward, Inward/Outward, take you pick of polarity. You claim that StressFree is perceiving from a "lower" position to you, and that one day he may catch "up" to you, this is Self-Importance and not in keeping with the energy that l have interacted with so far. l'm not going to enter into a mind-maze with you, l have nothing to lose or gain from this. l thought you understood, POLARITY is the illusion. To see reality is to weave the poles together, to see how they are united. Inherent Aware, and Evolving Awareness can been seen as the left and right hemisphere of the brain of Something beyond your esteemed and elevated self!
Anyway my main point here, Your CLARITY has interpreted that l posted about you and SF to be "Fixed" positions, which is not so. l simply mean't that in this particular arguement, SF had taken on the Pole of Evolving Awareness, as that is the one you left him, But that does not mean that he is "fixed" there, Frankly he appears to be quite fluid.
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MGaff: Wow, you're right in there dude!
This is not an anecdote.
There is no right or wrong, but l don't see what that has to do with what l posted.
There is however a movement, a flow. Upward/Downward, Inward/Outward, take you pick of polarity. You claim that StressFree is perceiving from a "lower" position to you, and that one day he may catch "up" to you, this is Self-Importance and not in keeping with the energy that l have interacted with so far. l'm not going to enter into a mind-maze with you, l have nothing to lose or gain from this. l thought you understood, POLARITY is the illusion. To see reality is to weave the poles together, to see how they are united. Inherent Aware, and Evolving Awareness can been seen as the left and right hemisphere of the brain of Something beyond your esteemed and elevated self!
Anyway my main point here, Your CLARITY has interpreted that l posted about you and SF to be "Fixed" positions, which is not so. l simply mean't that in this particular arguement, SF had taken on the Pole of Evolving Awareness, as that is the one you left him, But that does not mean that he is "fixed" there, Frankly he appears to be quite fluid.
This is not an anecdote.
There is no right or wrong, but l don't see what that has to do with what l posted.
There is however a movement, a flow. Upward/Downward, Inward/Outward, take you pick of polarity. You claim that StressFree is perceiving from a "lower" position to you, and that one day he may catch "up" to you, this is Self-Importance and not in keeping with the energy that l have interacted with so far. l'm not going to enter into a mind-maze with you, l have nothing to lose or gain from this. l thought you understood, POLARITY is the illusion. To see reality is to weave the poles together, to see how they are united. Inherent Aware, and Evolving Awareness can been seen as the left and right hemisphere of the brain of Something beyond your esteemed and elevated self!
Anyway my main point here, Your CLARITY has interpreted that l posted about you and SF to be "Fixed" positions, which is not so. l simply mean't that in this particular arguement, SF had taken on the Pole of Evolving Awareness, as that is the one you left him, But that does not mean that he is "fixed" there, Frankly he appears to be quite fluid.
and yet you find a side.
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bohdiprana: and yet you find a side.
l find only what l can and cannot harmonise with. l can harmonise with Fluidity. As l said there is a Flow, to resist the flow is to be fixed, to be fixed is beget pressure, pressure erupts, and is destructive. l am not part of your polarity, l have not taken a side, l am simply observing, an agent for Fluidity/Harmony. My lntent is aligned with the INTENT of that which Flows.
You know, Freud said that the lrish were a race of people for whom Psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever. l could tell you why this is if you'd like to drop this arguement and change the Subject?
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MGaff:
Anyway my main point here, Your CLARITY has interpreted that l posted about you and SF to be "Fixed" positions, which is not so. l simply mean't that in this particular arguement, SF had taken on the Pole of Evolving Awareness, as that is the one you left him, But that does not mean that he is "fixed" there, Frankly he appears to be quite fluid.
Anyway my main point here, Your CLARITY has interpreted that l posted about you and SF to be "Fixed" positions, which is not so. l simply mean't that in this particular arguement, SF had taken on the Pole of Evolving Awareness, as that is the one you left him, But that does not mean that he is "fixed" there, Frankly he appears to be quite fluid.
You might recall your first encounters with SF being this way.
To underestimate the man in any his choices of polarity could only be done in a state of unawareness. Be ready. 
Got clarity?
We're already in love, we don't need a broker. 
... claims, shmaims. In a mancrush kind of way.
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MGaff: l find only what l can and cannot harmonise with. l can harmonise with Fluidity. As l said there is a Flow, to resist the flow is to be fixed, to be fixed is beget pressure, pressure erupts, and is destructive. l am not part of your polarity, l have not taken a side, l am simply observing, an agent for Fluidity/Harmony. My lntent is aligned with the INTENT of that which Flows.
You know, Freud said that the lrish were a race of people for whom Psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever. l could tell you why this is if you'd like to drop this arguement and change the Subject?
You know, Freud said that the lrish were a race of people for whom Psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever. l could tell you why this is if you'd like to drop this arguement and change the Subject?
MGaff: l find only what l can and cannot harmonise with. l can harmonise with Fluidity. As l said there is a Flow, to resist the flow is to be fixed, to be fixed is beget pressure, pressure erupts, and is destructive. l am not part of your polarity, l have not taken a side, l am simply observing, an agent for Fluidity/Harmony. My lntent is aligned with the INTENT of that which Flows.
You know, Freud said that the lrish were a race of people for whom Psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever. l could tell you why this is if you'd like to drop this arguement and change the Subject?
You know, Freud said that the lrish were a race of people for whom Psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever. l could tell you why this is if you'd like to drop this arguement and change the Subject?
You find what you perceive as harmony or disharmony. (same thing you know) Adding fluid and fixed in a way that detracts or adds to or from a side of polarity is like saying one side is bad, the other good.
A river is fluid, but rarely courses without rocks and other fixed objects. To call the fixed objects, detrimental or worse, destructive is ok, because it just deepens your feeling about what you think is a fixed object and a fluid object. Try being the object in the river as well, find its fluidity.
I see no argument MG. Whatever you see it as, you can drop at will if you prefer.. or continue if you prefer.
The OP is way off its original intent, as you might notice, which is something I let "flow" fluidly rather than keep people fixed on the original post ... so within your vision of what you call being fixed is in fact a very fluid overtone.
The only constant is change.
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bohdiprana: You might recall your first encounters with SF being this way. To underestimate the man in any his choices of polarity could only be done in a state of unawareness. Be ready.
Got clarity? We're already in love, we don't need a broker. ... claims, shmaims.
In a mancrush kind of way.
Got clarity? We're already in love, we don't need a broker. ... claims, shmaims.
In a mancrush kind of way.
Yes, l remember, and l think you'll find my response to CLARITY is the same regardless of who it is! lf you look at that, it would again appear that l "took your side" in that particular instance. However SF quickly (and Gracefully) moved out of CLARITY without actually changing his beliefs or stance, or for that matter without "losing face" and Harmony ensued?
You see this is no longer about the term or Concept of Karma, and yet the underlying energy remains? So what is that underlying energy that brings about opposition? CLARITY
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bohdiprana: You find what you perceive as harmony or disharmony. (same thing you know) Adding fluid and fixed in a way that detracts or adds to or from a side of polarity is like saying one side is bad, the other good.
A river is fluid, but rarely courses without rocks and other fixed objects. To call the fixed objects, detrimental or worse, destructive is ok, because it just deepens your feeling about what you think is a fixed object and a fluid object. Try being the object in the river as well, find its fluidity.
I see no argument MG. Whatever you see it as, you can drop at will if you prefer.. or continue if you prefer.
The OP is way off its original intent, as you might notice, which is something I let "flow" fluidly rather than keep people fixed on the original post ... so within your vision of what you call being fixed is in fact a very fluid overtone.
The only constant is change.
A river is fluid, but rarely courses without rocks and other fixed objects. To call the fixed objects, detrimental or worse, destructive is ok, because it just deepens your feeling about what you think is a fixed object and a fluid object. Try being the object in the river as well, find its fluidity.
I see no argument MG. Whatever you see it as, you can drop at will if you prefer.. or continue if you prefer.
The OP is way off its original intent, as you might notice, which is something I let "flow" fluidly rather than keep people fixed on the original post ... so within your vision of what you call being fixed is in fact a very fluid overtone.
The only constant is change.
There are those Thoughts/Words/Actions that are Life-Supportive, and there are those the are Life-Destructive. l say without hesitation that l choose to perceive that those that are life-supportive as good, and those that are life-destructive as bad. There is nothing 3rd D about this. This is a stance of defining Self, and what that Self stands for. lt is not a philosophy, but the act of a Spiritual Being. lt is not conditioned by the illusion, it is the result of knowledge, awareness and reflection. lt is Free Will in action. lt may be that you are a wanderer as you said, l am not. Yet you present you view in such a way as to demean any alternative.
You may use Tonal examples like a river with rocks if you wish, but clearly there is no destruction there? just a slow shaping of those ltems that obstruct the flow. l however am speaking of the Nagual aspect, the underlying Reality/energy-dynamic which the Tonal is a manifest Mirror.
"The only constant is change"? This is not True!
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MGaff: Yes, l remember, and l think you'll find my response to CLARITY is the same regardless of who it is! lf you look at that, it would again appear that l "took your side" in that particular instance. However SF quickly (and Gracefully) moved out of CLARITY without actually changing his beliefs or stance, or for that matter without "losing face" and Harmony ensued?
You see this is no longer about the term or Concept of Karma, and yet the underlying energy remains? So what is that underlying energy that brings about opposition? CLARITY
You see this is no longer about the term or Concept of Karma, and yet the underlying energy remains? So what is that underlying energy that brings about opposition? CLARITY
This is preemptive manipulation to generate acquiescence to your 'way' of being...SF bought it, I don't.
I cannot ever be your harmony, nor do I subscribe to being the "bad" element just because I challenge and or oppose you or anyone else. It's subjective and your version is inharmonious.
Don't hate on the rock.
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bohdiprana: This is preemptive manipulation to generate acquiescence to your 'way' of being...SF bought it, I don't.
I cannot ever be your harmony, nor do I subscribe to being the "bad" element just because I challenge and or oppose you or anyone else. It's subjective and your version is inharmonious.
Don't hate on the rock.
I cannot ever be your harmony, nor do I subscribe to being the "bad" element just because I challenge and or oppose you or anyone else. It's subjective and your version is inharmonious.
Don't hate on the rock.
What is it that l'm supposed to be selling?
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MGaff: There are those Thoughts/Words/Actions that are Life-Supportive, and there are those the are Life-Destructive. l say without hesitation that l choose to perceive that those that are life-supportive as good, and those that are life-destructive as bad. There is nothing 3rd D about this.
The you are claiming to be somewhat polarized in good.
In response to:
This is a stance of defining Self, and what that Self stands for. lt is not a philosophy, but the act of a Spiritual Being. lt is not conditioned by the illusion, it is the result of knowledge, awareness and reflection. lt is Free Will in action. lt may be that you are a wanderer as you said, l am not. Yet you present you view in such a way as to demean any alternative.
This is a stance of defining Self, and what that Self stands for. lt is not a philosophy, but the act of a Spiritual Being. lt is not conditioned by the illusion, it is the result of knowledge, awareness and reflection. lt is Free Will in action. lt may be that you are a wanderer as you said, l am not. Yet you present you view in such a way as to demean any alternative.
A subjective assessment... but,
How does such a statement come from someone who claims to be polarized in 'good'. Seems all you are finding is your perception of 'bad'.
In response to:
You may use Tonal examples like a river with rocks if you wish, but clearly there is no destruction there? just a slow shaping of those ltems that obstruct the flow.
You may use Tonal examples like a river with rocks if you wish, but clearly there is no destruction there? just a slow shaping of those ltems that obstruct the flow.
That was indeed my point. Though you call it destruction, I call it change and fluidity. You just aren't pleased with how slowly the rock changes versus how quickly the water changes or seems more fluid to you. In fact you hate the very nature of the challenging, seemingly obstinate rock. When you cannot see the good in this rock, (devalue it, even try to chase it away) how can you claim to be polarized in 'good' if you cannot accept the rock's place in creation, for all is creation.
In response to:
l however am speaking of the Nagual aspect, the underlying Reality/energy-dynamic which the Tonal is a manifest Mirror.
"The only constant is change"? This is not True!
l however am speaking of the Nagual aspect, the underlying Reality/energy-dynamic which the Tonal is a manifest Mirror.
"The only constant is change"? This is not True!
be the rock. 
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MGaff: What is it that l'm supposed to be selling?
Your way, your perception. We all do. Acquiescence was the word, 'bought' and selling is merely derivative in that sense.
We all manipulate the word to create .... clones of ourselves in the mirror.
It is sometimes a helpful effort, though often ephemeral in results.
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bohdiprana: The you are claiming to be somewhat polarized in good. No, what l'm saying is that l Choose to align myself with that which is Creative, aka, Co-Creative.
A subjective assessment... but,
How does such a statement come from someone who claims to be polarized in 'good'. Seems all you are finding is your perception of 'bad'.
This assessment is based on faulty reasoning....
That was indeed my point. Though you call it destruction, I call it change and fluidity. You just aren't pleased with how slowly the rock changes versus how quickly the water changes or seems more fluid to you. In fact you hate the very nature of the challenging, seemingly obstinate rock. When you cannot see the good in this rock, (devalue it, even try to chase it away) how can you claim to be polarized in 'good' if you cannot accept the rock's place in creation, for all is creation.
Apparently you missed the point that l was trying to make....
be the rock.
l am.A subjective assessment... but,
How does such a statement come from someone who claims to be polarized in 'good'. Seems all you are finding is your perception of 'bad'.
This assessment is based on faulty reasoning....
That was indeed my point. Though you call it destruction, I call it change and fluidity. You just aren't pleased with how slowly the rock changes versus how quickly the water changes or seems more fluid to you. In fact you hate the very nature of the challenging, seemingly obstinate rock. When you cannot see the good in this rock, (devalue it, even try to chase it away) how can you claim to be polarized in 'good' if you cannot accept the rock's place in creation, for all is creation.
Apparently you missed the point that l was trying to make....
be the rock.
At this stage dude, you are making all sorts of assertions based on assumption and faulty reasoning. You are more interested in giving meaning to my words than understanding what l'm trying to convey with the words l'm using. Fruitless, later...
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MGaff: No offence dude, but l'm no more enlightened or aware for having gone through and followed the exchange, except perhaps to say that l have learned that Prana has more patience than l do, but then the path he walks requires that of him where mine does not!
From my perspective, what l think there is an absence of is Harmony, but that in no way effects the oneness. So the question for me is: is the stance you take one that makes you an agent for Harmony, or an agent for disharmony, do you contribute to the problem that you perceive, or do you work to antidote it? Not a question to you personally, but one l think we need to ask ourselves, like l said no offence intended.
From my perspective, what l think there is an absence of is Harmony, but that in no way effects the oneness. So the question for me is: is the stance you take one that makes you an agent for Harmony, or an agent for disharmony, do you contribute to the problem that you perceive, or do you work to antidote it? Not a question to you personally, but one l think we need to ask ourselves, like l said no offence intended.
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MGaff: l am.
At this stage dude, you are making all sorts of assertions based on assumption and faulty reasoning. You are more interested in giving meaning to my words than understanding what l'm trying to convey with the words l'm using. Fruitless, later...
At this stage dude, you are making all sorts of assertions based on assumption and faulty reasoning. You are more interested in giving meaning to my words than understanding what l'm trying to convey with the words l'm using. Fruitless, later...
Maybe they're vegetables.
Eat em they're good for you.
I wonder why no one complains of being vegetabless.
probably has something to do with faulty reasoning. 
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MGaff: l'm not going to enter into a mind-maze with you, l have nothing to lose or gain from this. SF had taken on the Pole of Evolving Awareness, as that is the one you left him, But that does not mean that he is "fixed" there, Frankly he appears to be quite fluid.
Brilliantly nutshelled MGaff!. That's Prana's realm and dance it seems at times---an intricate and slippery mind maze where he has some need for constant leverage lmao!!!! Sorry Prana, couldn't help myself. Nothing personal, just edgy humor.Yeah MGaff, you seem to be with evolving awareness I do have to say. Seems we are more similar than first initially thought
MGaff: l find only what l can and cannot harmonise with. l can harmonise with Fluidity. As l said there is a Flow, to resist the flow is to be fixed, to be fixed is beget pressure, pressure erupts, and is destructive. l am not part of your polarity, l have not taken a side, l am simply observing, an agent for Fluidity/Harmony. My lntent is aligned with the INTENT of that which Flows.
I couldn't agree more! That has been my personal motto since I was a teen; "Go with the flow"!
Shifting with the flow and redirecting the flow in order to align with harmony. Simplicity can be awesome! Turn the old pages and roll with the changes!
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From the online dictionary and hopefully this can clear things up because sometimes there is a communication problem with defined terms---you have some uncanny way of redefining words at times:
Experience:
–noun
1. a particular instance of personally encountering or undergoing something: My encounter with the bear in the woods was a frightening experience.
2. the process or fact of personally observing, encountering, or undergoing something: business experience.
3. the observing, encountering, or undergoing of things generally as they occur in the course of time:
to learn from experience; the range of human experience.4. knowledge
or practical wisdomgained from what one has observed, encountered, or undergone: a man of experience. (knowledge in the sense of what it was like to go through what your soul planned for you.)5. Philosophy. the totality of the cognitions given by perception; all that is perceived, understood, and remembered.
–verb (used with object)
6. to have experience of; meet with; undergo; feel: to experience nausea.
7. to learn by experience.(knowledge in the sense of what it was like.)This definition comes from THE ILLUSION. It is no wonder you can't cope with outside the box reality.
Even at that, there is no reference to good boy, bad boy "lessons", which you want to use to cement karma in your belief. This thinking is just the spark of your movement to 'experience' the idea behind the spark. "What would it be like to experience karma?" This is where your brain is at and so its taking you, the funky belief of karma and heading you in the direction of experiencing it.
Thats fine, you can do that, you create as many things as you want and call it all about lessons as often as you want. Thats how powerful thinking is.
It just isn't necessary. There are many humans who don't use karma in ANY sense of the word and they go thru the experience as well.