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But karma is a 'sense' or it wouldn't be part of the illusion. I did not infer it was 'non'sense. It is, in your words, the e-motive force. One you choose as your ignition source or not to create your illusion of what you think is progress toward something.

You can hop off the free will wagon or the karma wagon whenever you want to. You can experience another's will, and or your own will. You can will yourself to be unwilling. Its just another teeter totter.

I think your interpretation of free will is human illusion based. We assume it means, we are allowed to make a choice on any polarity or any given cross roads. Are we? Does catalyst appear at our request and thus offer us choice in free will? Or does our will create catalyst in the first place offering us the illusion of free will.

They are definitely 'sense' full, in the experience. Do you choose or not choose? More polarity, more duality. Silly humans have no where to go, just the illusion of going somewhere.



it was a good turn?

Seriously tho I was mistaken, Kiwis do have a good sense of humour but only when you’re serious.

Indoctrinate your self young Luke. I have no view of karma, it is illusion. Your insistence that it is view of mine is resultant of your need to indoctrinate and cement your own view of it. In fact you ignore that it is illusion, an unrequired function of movement. It is not required because all that is needed for movement is any 'sense' of polarity. Call it karma if you like but there are many other senses that inspire and instigate the illusion of movement. You just jump on, or jump off.. try it!

Western? In this infinity please direct me in a westerly direction. Your labels do nothing but support the illusion of your own view. Sounds kind of xtain like in its need to enforce your belief on others, as if it's wrong merely because of its N.E.W.S position. ... psssst- There is no N.E.W.S. It too is illusion, and supportive of the bigger illusion.



This is where you are. Where I am, you obviously cannot see, yet you have a strong desire to bring me into where you are. We are in fact in the same place already, 'here' yet, thinking you are elsewhere.

"Brutally flawed"- you add 'wrongness' and demeaning catalyst for what? To support your own illusion, maybe even hoping that I will take offence and see the error in my ways, when it is in fact your ways. It is only you who sees error. You're back in the hole again.

Really T, I need nothing of what you speak, I am already wise, because even what seems stupid or ignorant to you, is once again, the polarity of wisdom/ignorance. You Get on one side, or get off thinking you're tipping the forces of nature in your favor.
Chase that bone Luke.




Teetor totters are like that, expending energy, (you think). Newton's third law. An equal force in the opposite direction that you experience as energy loss. (you think).

come over to the dark side, Luke...

Now you're just being pedantic!
On the contrary, l don't use karma as an e-motive force. l use it as a tool, to unravel and the numerous repeating patterns that exist within my experience of this illusion. The fact that you cannot see the value of this "Choice" is something you could meditate upon. Remember l'm on a path that is unusual, while it shares some concepts that are found in other paths it "Relates" differently to them. Look at it like this, there is the short path to enlightenment, in this the goal is to free ourselves from all that binds us here,(Buddhism) which leads to the realisation that there is no good or bad and that there is only experience, and so it could be said that experience is all there is. However, there is another path, this is called the long path to enlightenment. ln this, it is not about experience, it is about Knowledge. lt is not about recognition and release from the illusion, it is about knowledge of how the illusion is created, maintained, simply how it works. So while l can see where you are coming from, and recognise its validity, it appears that your path does not allow you the same "Choice"?

You can have your karma, your long paths, whatever you want. I deny you nothing.

The polarity of pedantic is informal or imprecise. You have jumped on the 'informal' side accusing my of the pedantic side. You see it, I do not. Therefore I choose not be in your illusion... at this time. Insults, labels only serve one's own polarity in hopes that you can polarize me on the same wave length... or get me to jump on the other side of your imagined teetor totter.

The shortest path to balance is to 'be' balance. It is our true state. Quite simple really. We did however create the illusion of imbalance in order to experience what its like to be out of balance... the duality of sides of the tetter totter, polarity.

However I acknowledge the desire to experience these things and in so doing one can experience the depths of either side of any polarity.... or one can on one's own balance the polarity, the teeter totter of you will.

How? You jump on the fulcrum, one foot on one side, the other on the other side, see yourself in the middle, affecting balance of the teeter totter. The more you apply desire/pressure to one side the more you will have to apply desire to the other, in order to maintain balance. But, if you just see your self, be your self in balance, no desire, no force is needed. See your self out of balance you will feel the need to right your balance. Newtons third law.

This is why people in sports sometimes have difficulty, seeming to be trying to hard. It is only when they detach from the desire that one is balanced and energy flows more freely through them. It is 'thinking' things are not right, that creates a need to 'right' things.

Detach and you are balance. It is not a need, it is a state of being. Am I allowed to be balance? Sure. Do I need catalyst, no, but I want it , desire it and enjoy it sometimes, the experience is amazing. It just doesn't mean that I have to imagine karma in order to be affect balance. If you want to, then go for it.

as 'informal' as I can be atm.

There was no intent to insult in what l said. l was just pointing out that l used the word nonsense as it is used colloquially where l'm from, but you then used it represent a meaning that l didn't use, then used the meaning you gave it to counter my post....

illusion. There is no hammer.