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The concept is indeed accurate in the way metaphysical healing and psychological healing takes place. The flow and energies (effect and cause) you speak of are part of ourselves, and we are part of the energies. It is if we are swimming in energies and we ourselves are a part and parcel of the very waters we swim in. By manipulating the waters (flow) around you, you can cause currents to push or pull from you to something/someone, or from something/someone to you. These currents are the energies you and I speak of. We need to only direct these flows/energies with our mind to form these currents we wish to be with.---this is redirecting the flow/energies/thoughts/beliefs that we were going with and had ran its course. It is creating and discreating flows/energies to fuel change that aligns with our true selves as well as recognizing that fluidity is needed with what is known and what it is we wish to seek, learn, and experience. Deep and complex subject for sure on some levels---like explaining this in a quantum manner---how subatomic particles (us and our thoughts) behave, act, and react while warping matter and the world we perceive.
Interesting, what we are discussing is parallel with psychotherapy, only they use different terms based on their scientific findings and terminology. Science will always pave the way and confirm various metaphysical ideas that have been already in place among many spiritualities and religions thousands of year ago.

Great insight and I couldn't agree more...especially with how you view Karma in this context and outside of the Western view.
From what I gather from all the various sources out there and what I have experienced in my lifetime, the most logical and rational explanation shows why we incarnate here---to learn the lessons we need to learn and not get up in the Karmic cycle of having to come back to re-learn and do the same thing over and over again and then getting caught up in other areas of Karmic patterns. It's said that many forget or never realize why they came here in the first place and that's what makes it so hard to be in a human body on Earth as we are bound by earthly ways---supposedly one of the toughest testing fields there is for our souls.



The concept is indeed accurate in the way metaphysical healing and psychological healing takes place. The flow and energies (effect and cause) you speak of are part of ourselves, and we are part of the energies. It is if we are swimming in energies and we ourselves are a part and parcel of the very waters we swim in. By manipulating the waters (flow) around you, you can cause currents to push or pull from you to something/someone, or from something/someone to you. These currents are the energies you and I speak of. We need to only direct these flows/energies with our mind to form these currents we wish to be with.---this is redirecting the flow/energies/thoughts/beliefs that we were going with and had ran its course. It is creating and discreating flows/energies to fuel change that aligns with our true selves as well as recognizing that fluidity is needed with what is known and what it is we wish to seek, learn, and experience. Deep and complex subject for sure on some levels---like explaining this in a quantum manner---how subatomic particles (us and our thoughts) behave, act, and react while warping matter and the world we perceive.
Interesting, what we are discussing is parallel with psychotherapy, only they use different terms based on their scientific findings and terminology. Science will always pave the way and confirm various metaphysical ideas that have been already in place among many spiritualities and religions thousands of year ago.

I've stated many times before that part of our lesson in life is overcoming challenges and adversity. Turning a negative into a positive. I'm well aware of friction and static In order to evolve, we must learn from our dark experiences so we can be aligned with the light---love, happiness, and harmony. Failures and negative experiences are part of the process towards success and a positive experience. There is even an extreme theory on this---the rubberband theory

I know I will experience another cat fight with you, but hopefully it won't lead to me unfairly criticizing you and you cancelling/hiding your account and taking your ball home. You've already shown signs of taking things personal and you know what I am talking about. You chose the path to separate by your actions and words, but maybe that is a temporary form of detachment for you unless you believe in understanding, forgiveness and unconditional love. So yeah, the ride is part of the process, but crashes aren't fun. The ride has to keep going despite how differently the driver and passenger see the road in front of them. I do believe we are headed for the same destination. If not, then you can catch a ride elsewhere

Well, where is your science that says otherwise? Are you a depth psychologist with some ground breaking theory? No, you are not lol. Jung and Freud are the founders of depth psychology and their module is what we have to go by today since they did revolutionary work that has not taken any gigantic leaps. You see me being stuck because you are stuck in your belief and failure to understand what I am saying. We can't go around and announce we have the Divine Truth that is not scientific, not to say you can't say it for yourself and hold it to be true for yourself. Religions do that, and it appears you are doing the same thing-ignoring and discrediting science while making unfounded statements that are not scientific and structured on a sound module of reasonable facts and explanations. Overly mystic imo...



Learning is a great part of the experience. If you can honestly say that you know it all and never have learned anything in your life that helped you understand yourself, your path, and your world better, then I have to say nonsense unless you write a book backed up by cognitive/depth psychologists who spent hours doing clinical studies to confirm your idea that lacks any sense of rationality.
It's not religious philosophy, it's a fact of life, existence, and experience---psychology has proved that to be true and you have not. Learning is part of the definition of experience and nobody wishes to experience the same thing over and over again unless it's good, and getting aligned with the good requires a process of learning---and learning then knowing how to stay there. I'll bet a billion dollars that you have had your ups and downs and have learned from those experiences to create the state of being you are in now. There is a reason for experience here in this plane of existence. We give meaning to it because that is what we do as humans. We are not at the oversoul level or in the 45803854854 density. We are here right now, nowhere else. Deal with it.

When I am on the same path/vibration with somebody, I do learn to branch out my beliefs better in accordance with my path/vibration. Being inline with someone is being with the vibration and flow I desire to be with. And we learn from each other---for no two people have the same exact vibration, thoughts, and beliefs. We choose what we wish to learn, so you are in no position to make such a claim and assumption that it is the reassurance of the ego.
Being reaffirmed and confirmed is a vital component and basic human need and makes us feel good. And many of us choose to feel good. That is the empirical truth of that according to the science of psychology. That is what we are aware of because that is what has been observed and explored scientifically by the professionals.



You're envious of our wave perhaps?

What's wrong with that? If feeling good while no harm is inflicted on anyone by my actions that are what I perceive as good, then what is the problem with "trying to attach"? If good means balance and harmony to me, then I am in alignment with my true self. That's the point. The duality of the opposite represents what we don't want to be in alignment with---that's a pivotal function of the duality's illusion---it enables us to see both sides of the coin. There can be no coin, if it's just one sided. There can be no illusion on this plane without duality---the universe would collapse. We choose which side of the coin to be on, and our actions take us back and forth depending on what we do and how react and how we progress. That's an essence of the human existence. I don't see why you have some strong need to not value this. Your statement of trying to attach or align with good creates disharmony does not resonate with me and my perceptions. The trick is to stay with that alignment on that side of the coin while being aware of the other side. It helps us to identify what we don't and do want. Get it? It has nothing to do with reciprocal actions.



I have experienced something to that effect---like bringing home the wrong kind of pizza for the kids lol. You're loosely using Newton's third law here suggesting that once I feel good or do something good or align with what feels good, that there will be a reciprocal action while you did not clarify how fast that would manifest. Your theory and example has too many holes structured on a loose foundation---incomplete and needs a stronger foundation. Sorry. It doesn't resonate with me, but I have heard of the concept before but the spin you put on it is just not possible if seeing good is done with unconditional love---the vibrations associated with that don't attract the opposite. That simple.



If my actions bring no harm to myself or those who I share my life with and with my environment and reality, then it's only good vibrations that attract like vibrations and experiences. Being aware of duality serves a purpose so we can identify with what is good and bad for us in this illusion and reality. Your theory is a dark one since you use the term "never" and assume all good actions have bad and negative vibrations attached to it. It doesn't if no harm and disharmony is brought into existence. You are preaching the master of limitation concept and growing up in America, I've been conditioned to see the truth that there are no limits--only if we believe in limits and terms such as never and impossible.

I have created a singular good---the love and relationship I have with my kids. We have never experienced hate or disharmony. Perhaps one day, our planet will be of that vibration....

Belief systems and philosophies are here to serve us so we can use them to filter what is good and bad for us and evolve. They weren't planted here for evil purposes like you suggest. They are needed here, without them, we'd be caveman. The illusion or collective paradigm has deepened, expanded, and broadened throughout the our planet's history. We need the illusion in this plane. The illusion is what brought us here to experience and learn from.

I create and direct energy---whether it's negative or positive. Awareness, harmony, and unconditional love is the energy I wish to align myself with. Karma does not mean I owe anything. I never said that, it's your lack of depth of the meaning. I don't see Karma as being in debt to my bad actions---that's the western view of it. Karma is the things I consciously and unconsciously feel I need to do in order to complete my journey---MGaff has used good illustrations of Karma, and you have conveniently forgotten. Understand how we define Karma and you'll understand the meaning and how it's just another label for incarnating here for a specific theme or role to play on the stage of life. If I say I am surrounded by Karma and have much to do, then that's what it means. I have much to do in this earthly existence and it will require a few lifetimes. We always have the choice to harmonize and synchronize with whatever is out there, good or bad. Our vibrational frequencies (emotions/thoughts/beliefs) align us with that negative or positive harmonization.




The illusion or collective paradigm and all the individual paradigms have changed over the years. Scientists help us expand and deepen our paradigms or illusion. Breakthroughs in science cement what is then possible and impossible. They don't think, they know because of empirical evidence. It is you who only thinks to know and will never convince anyone until you build a better theory backed up by a more sound explanation that can connect with other metaphysical concepts and with science. Right now, you're not even close to that. Even quantum science is able to reasonably postulate that that we create reality by how our subatomic particles interact and warp matter and how we bring reality into existence by simply observing it---wave function/wave collapse theory---the observer effect.
The illusion has a purpose and you trying to create yet another angle so you can have some radical explanation to existence is kinda funny and predictable now. There are different illusions to choose from, and you have chosen one and I have chosen another. No big deal. I'm all for radical ideas, and that's for creating change in quest of peace, unconditional love, and harmony within myself, with those who are in my life, and with Mother Earth.

Where is your evidence? Newton's 3rd law relates to physical bodies and does not work in timespace and at the quantum level--there is no proven reciprocation of good and bad that are attached to thought and actions in relation to manifestation at the subatomic level of how brainwaves/thought-frequencies/vibrations behave and interact---there is only a creation of a vibration shifting in a direction. Nothing suggests that a vibration in a certain frequency and direction as it warps matter is bound to Newton's third law of reciprocation. Newton's laws are used to explain physical phenomena, not ethereal phenomena or electrical phenomena or emotional phenomena or anything else non-physical. You are trying to bridge Newton's third law with your theory and guess what--they don't connect. Newton's third law concerns the relationship between physical bodies and between material particles. It's well known and empirical where as you theory is just the figment of your imagination. Here man, a recap of Newton's third law:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions''.



I understand that concept and have so for a long time now--that everything is fundamentally neutral. I told you that before--all of it is just energy with no good, no bad, no hurt, no feel good, no right, no anything. But mainly because of our belief system, we want to separate it into parts that are right and wrong, and good and bad. And as a result we want to choose just what we want out of that. When we reach a level where we understand that all of that was unnecessary--there was no right, no wrong, no good, no bad, no hurt, no feel good--then we won't need to have learned how to get what we want. But being human beings, that is where our focus is.
Before we can pull into our lives what we want, we have to arrive at the awareness that it doesn't make any difference. Because as long as it does make a difference, we make it harder on ourselves to get it.
If we didn't have a belief system, we wouldn't want one thing over another, we would just take whatever came our way.
Our belief system is what makes us have a preference for one thing over another, whether it's rain or sunshine--they're all manifestations. If we didn't have a belief system one would be just as good to us as the other, in fact, they are. It's our belief system that says sunshine is preferable to rain. And if we got to the point of realization--we're already there; we just don't know we are even if we think we do so long we are in this plane.

You and I are not some kind of ascended masters. You say "What you 'think' is good, may indeed be something that another thinks is bad. A dilemma for compassion." This is the reality we live in right now and we are working this out in our world right now. Ideology vs ideology and different perceptions of "absolute truths". We are a divided people and duality is a tool for identification so we have a choice to manifest one or the other with proper awareness devoid of ego, greed, and control over others. It's simple, if your thoughts, words, and actions bring no harm to yourself or anyone, then there are only good consequences out of the cause and effect scenario. United we stand, divided we fall. The problem is understanding on a collective level.