IS THERE A GOD? (340)
demonfairyNewton,hickory, North Carolina USA120 Threads 17 Polls 5,654 PostsSome times when i see people in pain and suffering,i wonder if there really is a god!
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demonfairy: Some times when i see people in pain and suffering,i wonder if there really is a god!
This statement is valid, complex, and as old as the hills. Yes, it would be nice to know...thanx for this important post, Love.------ This thread is Archived ------
snowbunnie4U: So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10: 17(NKJV)
There are so many scenarios to consider--if a man refuses to swear/affirm on the Bible in a court of law, he is held in contempt of court. If he says he believes the Lord spoke/speaks to him, he is declared psychotic. Also, the separation of church and state was established not to dismiss spirituality, but to not bias any one person or set of ideology. (Because each individual has the right to his/her own beliefs based on their conscience, not on what is TOLD to them.) My faith (and I do have faith) does not mandate another person to adhere to it, just because I am sure of it. Know what I'm trying to say?------ This thread is Archived ------
54xmax: PART 2
After removing these myths from the Gospel, there would be not much left of the stories other than an an account of:
- An exceptional Jewish itinerant preacher and native healer who had an uneventful birth,
- Who, at the age of about 35 gathered a small group of followers and toured the Galilee,
bullet Spread a type of reform Judaism that matched the teachings of Hillel from the first century BCE,
- Was convicted of aggravated assault in the Jerusalem temple, and
- Was routinely executed for treason by the occupying Roman army, along with thousands of others in the first century CE.
So you see, from my point of view, the bible is a nice propaganda book, religious people say, it is a word of god. How can that be, if he did not write it, and the one that is used today, was written in 367 A.D. And they chucked everything out, that made Jesus „human“, to make a martyr out of him.
why am I talking about the bible, cos it is by Christian definition the word of god, and the proof that he exists - - - and yet, it is negating it self, in every second, sentence, kinda carrot and a stick teachings - - - If you do this, you will be in heaven, if you don't you will burn in hell - - - and all this, from the god, that is suppose to be loving, and caring, if he forgave our sins, then he also forgave the sins of unbelievers, it is a duality of morality - - - Saying one thing, doing another - - - - I have no problem with people, believing, in what ever they want, personal I do not care, cos if a person is good in it's heart I don care if it believes in tooth fairy - - - but I do not appreciate, self-righteous, thrusting down my throat, that I am an infidel, and not worthy of life, cos I do not believe in god, as if that us who do not believe, are bad people - - - NOW TO CLARIFY, I AM NOT SAYING, THAT YOU ARE DOING THIS, FAR FROM IT, I am just saying, that allot of the people claiming, that they believe in god, and follow his teachings, are worse in their actions, then people that do not believe in "him"
P.S. Great post by the way
After removing these myths from the Gospel, there would be not much left of the stories other than an an account of:
- An exceptional Jewish itinerant preacher and native healer who had an uneventful birth,
- Who, at the age of about 35 gathered a small group of followers and toured the Galilee,
bullet Spread a type of reform Judaism that matched the teachings of Hillel from the first century BCE,
- Was convicted of aggravated assault in the Jerusalem temple, and
- Was routinely executed for treason by the occupying Roman army, along with thousands of others in the first century CE.
So you see, from my point of view, the bible is a nice propaganda book, religious people say, it is a word of god. How can that be, if he did not write it, and the one that is used today, was written in 367 A.D. And they chucked everything out, that made Jesus „human“, to make a martyr out of him.
why am I talking about the bible, cos it is by Christian definition the word of god, and the proof that he exists - - - and yet, it is negating it self, in every second, sentence, kinda carrot and a stick teachings - - - If you do this, you will be in heaven, if you don't you will burn in hell - - - and all this, from the god, that is suppose to be loving, and caring, if he forgave our sins, then he also forgave the sins of unbelievers, it is a duality of morality - - - Saying one thing, doing another - - - - I have no problem with people, believing, in what ever they want, personal I do not care, cos if a person is good in it's heart I don care if it believes in tooth fairy - - - but I do not appreciate, self-righteous, thrusting down my throat, that I am an infidel, and not worthy of life, cos I do not believe in god, as if that us who do not believe, are bad people - - - NOW TO CLARIFY, I AM NOT SAYING, THAT YOU ARE DOING THIS, FAR FROM IT, I am just saying, that allot of the people claiming, that they believe in god, and follow his teachings, are worse in their actions, then people that do not believe in "him"
P.S. Great post by the way
Excellent points and greatly appreciated. However, science calls itself objective in providing prove or disproving a hypothesis by testing correlation between the chosen variables. As you know, even physics struggle with providing an undeniable prove. Science does not acknowledge subjects like, for example psychology (I didn't want to say theology for obvious reasons) as a discipline of science, because an 'objective' hypothesis testing of in psychology, in the scientific understanding of an experiment, is close to impossible.
Science's have a lot of chances, choices, options, opportunities to test 'existence of god' but will not because this is not it's subject. The reason behind being it can neither be prove or disprove, according to science. So, I think that bringing the scientifical evidence to a theological discussion constitutes a form of cheating.
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RayfromUSA: Whose envelope is he pushing exactly?
He was indeed very involved in "The Secret".
Which was (secretly) a product of the Kabbalist cult.
He was also the principal writer of the "What the Bleep" quantum physics film, which has a totally different pseudo-scientific dogma than The Secret, but which shares the concept that each individual metaphysically controls his own universe.
And both projects have ties to the same Kabbalist cult.
Wolf has travelled to many cities lecturing on the link between kabbala and quantum physics.
So if Wolf is "pushing an envelope", I'd say it's a kabbalist envelope.
As for the QP claims about quantum entanglement.
It's like as if someone saw a cloud in the shape of a horse and then concluded that a great horse spirit governs the atmosphere and requires human sacrifice or it will withhold rain
etc etc.
Occam's razor would quickly shave QP dogma down to a simple statement that there is some sort of linkage between electrons that can't be explained by our present understanding of subatomic physics.
Anything beyond that is mythology.
"Giant leaps" of imagination and conjecture, but going nowhere really.
This guy is clearly intellingent and far more scientific, rational and informed on the subject than Wolf,
but still, all that emerges is pseudo-scientific religious dogma.
He was indeed very involved in "The Secret".
Which was (secretly) a product of the Kabbalist cult.
He was also the principal writer of the "What the Bleep" quantum physics film, which has a totally different pseudo-scientific dogma than The Secret, but which shares the concept that each individual metaphysically controls his own universe.
And both projects have ties to the same Kabbalist cult.
Wolf has travelled to many cities lecturing on the link between kabbala and quantum physics.
So if Wolf is "pushing an envelope", I'd say it's a kabbalist envelope.
As for the QP claims about quantum entanglement.
It's like as if someone saw a cloud in the shape of a horse and then concluded that a great horse spirit governs the atmosphere and requires human sacrifice or it will withhold rain
etc etc.
Occam's razor would quickly shave QP dogma down to a simple statement that there is some sort of linkage between electrons that can't be explained by our present understanding of subatomic physics.
Anything beyond that is mythology.
"Giant leaps" of imagination and conjecture, but going nowhere really.
This guy is clearly intellingent and far more scientific, rational and informed on the subject than Wolf,
but still, all that emerges is pseudo-scientific religious dogma.
No and no and no. Did you even watch the first link you threw up? The project has no ties to any cult. Your bridges don't connect Ray. I'm too tired to get into this, but you're trying to create something that is not there. All Wolf did was talk to him about his theories and share his science with the mystics. Cosmologists speak a lot with Hindu's since some concepts of Hinduism tie in with cosmology. Does that make them evil?
And there is nothing evil about the secret. The premise behind it is that focusing on positive things produce positive results and focusing on negative things produce negative results. It's the power of thought and belief and dissected at a quantum level...something even preached among all the religions.
Ray, are you saying you are not in control of your life and destiny? In other words, your universe?
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StressFree: I usually post this video in all God threads. Saganism!!!!
If there is a God, we must ask the next question---where did God come from???????
If there is a God, we must ask the next question---where did God come from???????
And if there was a "Big Bang", what was there before that or what did it take place in? If the universe is expanding then what is it expanding in. Sometimes I wonder if some scientists are trying to make a religion out of science.
If God never began then how could he be,,,,,,here?? If he did begin what was there before that? Does God have a God?
One thing I think we can all be sure of is that this is a great mystery. Einstein thought of the mystery "as the source of all true art and science" and went on to say that those who can't see the mystery are truly blind.
That mystery "is God".
Not a man, happy family, test, condemnation etc.
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patmac: No worries, some interesting points on this thread though. Still to each his own, everyone has the right to believe or disbelieve as they want....But an old priest once summed it up pretty well in one sentance....."There are not a lot of agnostics on a deathbed"
Any agnostic who is afraid of God, isn't not an agnostic.
As far as God goas, there is absolutely nothing to fear.
There are some posts on here that basically say that you had better pray to him just in case He's there, that if He isn't, you have nothing to lose. Well I can just imagine that let's say, he is up there and I faced him and he asked "what did you do with the life I gave you?" "Oh, I prayed to you just in case."
"Well, he says, wish you were hot or wish you were cold but you're lukewarm,,,,,,,"
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Dadude62: And if there was a "Big Bang", what was there before that or what did it take place in? If the universe is expanding then what is it expanding in. Sometimes I wonder if some scientists are trying to make a religion out of science.
If God never began then how could he be,,,,,,here?? If he did begin what was there before that? Does God have a God?
One thing I think we can all be sure of is that this is a great mystery. Einstein thought of the mystery "as the source of all true art and science" and went on to say that those who can't see the mystery are truly blind.
That mystery "is God".
Not a man, happy family, test, condemnation etc.
If God never began then how could he be,,,,,,here?? If he did begin what was there before that? Does God have a God?
One thing I think we can all be sure of is that this is a great mystery. Einstein thought of the mystery "as the source of all true art and science" and went on to say that those who can't see the mystery are truly blind.
That mystery "is God".
Not a man, happy family, test, condemnation etc.
Well, science isn't perfect, but science will always soldier on and is not bound to dogma or opinions. Science is all about proof using mathematics and observable evidence and it never stands still.
I think it's more of a lot of people labeling scientists as religious nuts looking for something that is not there simply because it challenges their belief systems. New discoveries often have their crude beginnings, failures, and of course ridicule. But thank goodness that does not stop some scientists who carry the torch for new discoveries that redefine reality. If not for science, we'd still be stuck in a Ptolemaic view of the universe
In any case, mysteries are untraveled little by little through the aid of time, relentless perseverance, and the scientific method.
What is now impossible or unthinkable, may be very well normal on the future. Meaning we will have a better understanding of this mystery.
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StressFree: Well, science isn't perfect, but science will always soldier on and is not bound to dogma or opinions. Science is all about proof using mathematics and observable evidence and it never stands still.
I think it's more of a lot of people labeling scientists as religious nuts looking for something that is not there simply because it challenges their belief systems. New discoveries often have their crude beginnings, failures, and of course ridicule. But thank goodness that does not stop some scientists who carry the torch for new discoveries that redefine reality. If not for science, we'd still be stuck in a Ptolemaic view of the universe
In any case, mysteries are untraveled little by little through the aid of time, relentless perseverance, and the scientific method.
What is now impossible or unthinkable, may be very well normal on the future. Meaning we will have a better understanding of this mystery.
I think it's more of a lot of people labeling scientists as religious nuts looking for something that is not there simply because it challenges their belief systems. New discoveries often have their crude beginnings, failures, and of course ridicule. But thank goodness that does not stop some scientists who carry the torch for new discoveries that redefine reality. If not for science, we'd still be stuck in a Ptolemaic view of the universe
In any case, mysteries are untraveled little by little through the aid of time, relentless perseverance, and the scientific method.
What is now impossible or unthinkable, may be very well normal on the future. Meaning we will have a better understanding of this mystery.
Science has been unraveling things in the mystery a long time. To the dismay of religionists. I don't think that it will ever explain the mystery however. True scientists such as Einstein understand this.
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Dadude62: Science has been unraveling things in the mystery a long time. To the dismay of religionists. I don't think that it will ever explain the mystery however. True scientists such as Einstein understand this.
I guess we'd have to be at the level of the mystery and at one with the mystery in order to be all knowing---if that is possible---or becoming with the light or going back to the source as suggested in various scriptures.
True though, I don't think we can ever explain this mystery with 100 percent accuracy as long as we are on this human adventure. I just meant that we may get a tiny-little (tiny-little being the operative words) closer, and we have---or some individuals. To my understanding, not even other channeled entities (the sensible one who I have listened to and read about through various sources) who exist in a higher state of consciousness and awareness have a full grasp of this mystery.
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I have come to a conclusion that reading this thread over two or three days that I have been shown that there really is some higher power that is not tangible but nonetheless something that has moved me. I thank some people on here for the enlightenment I feel on this day of all days able to share this with anybody it has just past midnight in UK so should go to bed and have a silent one.
To all
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Whoops! I thought this was another Obama thread 
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Musicianfriend: Educate yourselves..you have no clue whats going on in the world..
Remember what the book just said...only the naive believe in socialism....Many people follow false prophets..the sheeple people......
think for yourselves..outside of your normal box..
(NOTE IN THE WORD CONSPIRACY...THERE IS THE WORD...PIRACY?)
Remember what the book just said...only the naive believe in socialism....Many people follow false prophets..the sheeple people......
think for yourselves..outside of your normal box..
(NOTE IN THE WORD CONSPIRACY...THERE IS THE WORD...PIRACY?)
I had, and read a copy of "none dare call it conspiracy" 20 years ago. It is an eye opener to be sure. I highly recommend it. The plan for world order has been on the minds of a few for all these years and "THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS". They will not stop pushing their devious plan until they are in power. They have no concern about first destroying what they want to take over. Normal people have no idea how ruthless a Narcissist can be but we are seeing one in action right now.
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Yes, Adonai exists!
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Of course....there is no God. But again, I've no problem with people being religious and having a belief. For some, certainly older generations, it can be more a social event.
Without doubt the greatest book which I would emplore everybody to read is Richards Dawkins'- The God Delusion.
We cannot, of course, disprove God, just as we can't disprove Thor, fairies, leprechauns and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But, like those other fantasies that we can't disprove, we can say that God is very very improbable.
Basically there is no Giant shiney bearded man that lives on a cloud. Lets just all respect each other for who we are as a person, rather than what religion, or colour of skin we are.... judge on personality...and get to know that person.
The fact that there are so many religions claiming that their God is actually the right God, believing in fictional scriptures written to control the people....says it all
There
Is
No
God......
But there is you.... your family, your friends....and hopefully your partner....they are real.... respect them, love them, and cherish every moment with them...
Without doubt the greatest book which I would emplore everybody to read is Richards Dawkins'- The God Delusion.
We cannot, of course, disprove God, just as we can't disprove Thor, fairies, leprechauns and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But, like those other fantasies that we can't disprove, we can say that God is very very improbable.
Basically there is no Giant shiney bearded man that lives on a cloud. Lets just all respect each other for who we are as a person, rather than what religion, or colour of skin we are.... judge on personality...and get to know that person.
The fact that there are so many religions claiming that their God is actually the right God, believing in fictional scriptures written to control the people....says it all
There
Is
No
God......
But there is you.... your family, your friends....and hopefully your partner....they are real.... respect them, love them, and cherish every moment with them...
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bodleing: Now why would anyone want to do that Morgan?
Where is Al?
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Laura25: Where is Al?
Hope he's well. I know he has been in and out of the hospital (he had a thread about his surgery). Maybe he's just hiding out and will make his glorious return when he has some new theory with some explanation that can't be argued against
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