Being spiritual ( Archived) (81)

Apr 2, 2010 4:10 AM CST Being spiritual
redkayak
redkayakredkayakStuart, Florida USA3 Threads 1 Polls 512 Posts
bollywood: Being spiritual what does it means to you ?

Please post your views here


Our native Indians used peyote to find in their spiritual beliefs. In the sixties (and still today) people found their spirituality through LSD. Then there was the 19th century opium dens, not sure what they found there. And I'm sure there's many more examples of mankind finding spirituality through intoxicants going back to the time man first walked upright.

Where it got screwed up is when man started overthinking and the mind took off into lala land trying to figure out the unknows around him and believing spirituality exist there, in that unused part of the brain while also sometimes coming to ridiculous conclusions.....

Myself.....I find my spiritualty through distillation, in the green hills of Scotland, eighty proof and up.. I think I'll have Glenlivet and get spiritual....... drink pouring
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Apr 2, 2010 5:09 AM CST Being spiritual
Jaywim
JaywimJaywimNew York, USA1 Threads 40 Posts
Spirituality comes from within. Being at peace with oneself, being able to handle being alone, and not feel lonely. Something which I found hard to do, years past. I crashed from one relationship to another and the ladies I dated were walking on broken glass all the time. I took time out from women, from relationships and settled alone. Once the emotional turmoil had left me, I began to look inside and realize that I was a mess. This took some picking apart. I read about meditation and silence. That was hard, to remain silent for three hours, with nothing other than my own thoughts. I now feel at peace, am tranquil and I found the energy and substance to love again. I had to mend some bridges with my mother, my sister and I was able to do that, as they forgave some terrible behavior on my part. I wanted to have relationships that would fulfill me, not use people for my yearnings. Religion did not feature in my recovery, but I religiously studied myself.

This I have now, complete peace. At the age of 30, I am now coming into what I truly want from my life and this sense of calm I can only call spirituality. It means to me, that I am now able to be a provider, as in a safe secure home, a person by my side, I can have gret relationships with my niece, my mother and my friends and my girlfriend.
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Apr 2, 2010 5:18 AM CST Being spiritual
Goddess4u
Goddess4uGoddess4uThe Capital, Greater London, England UK15 Threads 3,131 Posts
You can feel it and know it in your bones thumbs up
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Apr 2, 2010 5:30 AM CST Being spiritual
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
my theory only, in the 60s, in many places on the planet you could go back centuries, 60s for my parents, im 50 and am a 1960 baby , sorry many of you are not born then, yes all the love peace happiness started to finally evolve, 60s, check the music out too, what they sang about, freedom of expression (My parents life as I look at it and obviously lived it) that it carved many many maps, it was actually, bang on time, everybody needed that, and different concepts of thinking. regardless, it happened, wood stock, that farmer guy was very cool. (3 days man!) as it was "turn on tune in drop out," many did, (they built such creative, things....
Some didn't drop out and provided themselves with a nonconformist view, music played and contributed a massive part of the changing , it gave a choice. For all to hear and see, music is a language.
I don't need to tell you who where the bands then. You all know..
Great, we finally could make a choice to be able to look at the sphere and not get blinded, or very blinded,
We all grew up very much.
Half a century around this sun, yes i'm still warm.



angel cool joy
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Apr 2, 2010 5:58 AM CST Being spiritual
Outofafrica
OutofafricaOutofafricaPerth, Western Australia Australia5 Threads 1,296 Posts
rider4u: To me spirituality is the desire to connect with the soul within us and not the monkey mind of the ego. When we can identify with soul then we see a much larger picture of our existence and understand our role within it. Soul consciousness has the ability to heal and also to bring great relaxation and peace. The practice of meditation gives us a glimpse of the expanded consciousness of soul but it is just a taste of what really lies within. The true motivator. IMHO
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Apr 2, 2010 6:14 AM CST Being spiritual
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
Goddess4u: You can feel it and know it in your bones


or just another self-delusion comfort blanket ..... dunno

one's own little private mind church.
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Apr 2, 2010 7:22 AM CST Being spiritual
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
RDM59: or just another self-delusion comfort blanket .....

one's own little private mind church.


And that is rightfully your self-delusion, one can argue lol.
This sense of spirituality is experienced by millions. So it's not entirely a subjective experience. There is a lot more behind the non-physical realm that merits further investigation. It's not exactly rational to dismiss this since there is no evidence to close the books on this matter.

I'm inclined to say that it's the labels for identifying this experience that does not resonate with some people's belief systems---especially when this label is defined as God. Many spiritual atheists/agnostics don't say God, but use other terms in describing some connection with the non-physical----such as ESP or other psychic experiences like meditation that lead to well being. Does it mean it's spirituality? By definition yes.

For instance, meditation is a great example of using mind-body-spirit to clear static and feel at one with a higher state of awareness and consciousness. Studies empirically show that meditation (in all forms) is connected with well-being. Meditation is a part for many spiritual people, and its effects are real---no self-delusion. But that is just a small piece of the pie.
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Apr 2, 2010 7:26 AM CST Being spiritual
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
RDM59: or just another self-delusion comfort blanket .....

one's own little private mind church.
Being Spiritual in Scotland means having a drink form the Spirits gantry behind the bar .....devil devil A long bar with lots of various Spiritcheers cheers cheers grin yay yay
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Apr 2, 2010 8:11 AM CST Being spiritual
rider4u: To me spirituality is the desire to connect with the soul within us and not the monkey mind of the ego. When we can identify with soul then we see a much larger picture of our existence and understand our role within it. Soul consciousness has the ability to heal and also to bring great relaxation and peace. The practice of meditation gives us a glimpse of the expanded consciousness of soul but it is just a taste of what really lies within. The true motivator. IMHO
What will be left,if you reject your "I",the Essence of Yourself?
A lump of anonymous Ectoplasm?dunno confused
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Apr 2, 2010 8:46 AM CST Being spiritual
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
StressFree: And that is rightfully your self-delusion, one can argue lol.
This sense of spirituality is experienced by millions. So it's not entirely a subjective experience. There is a lot more behind the non-physical realm that merits further investigation. It's not exactly rational to dismiss this since there is no evidence to close the books on this matter.

I'm inclined to say that it's the labels for identifying this experience that does not resonate with some people's belief systems---especially when this label is defined as God. Many spiritual atheists/agnostics don't say God, but use other terms in describing some connection with the non-physical----such as ESP or other psychic experiences like meditation that lead to well being. Does it mean it's spirituality? By definition yes.

For instance, meditation is a great example of using mind-body-spirit to clear static and feel at one with a higher state of awareness and consciousness. Studies empirically show that meditation (in all forms) is connected with well-being. Meditation is a part for many spiritual people, and its effects are real---no self-delusion. But that is just a small piece of the pie.


Spirituality ..... just another objective mind activity perhaps, like religion in the aspect of having a need for belief. The need for a reason, an answer. The untimate quest.

Is mankind what it is all about in the grand scheme of this universe ? Just because we are the only life forms on this planet to conceive this concept does that make it fact ? Is our self importance a justified truth ? Or do we delude ourselves into the "It's all about us" mind set and just get carried away with our day dreams !

Mind boggling stuff or what ......grin cheers
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Apr 2, 2010 8:48 AM CST Being spiritual
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
patmac: Being Spiritual in Scotland means having a drink form the Spirits gantry behind the bar ..... A long bar with lots of various Spirit


thumbs up that sounds like my kind of religion too.

A tangible one...... cheers ....grin cheers
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Apr 2, 2010 8:48 AM CST Being spiritual
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
RDM59: Spirituality ..... just another objective mind activity perhaps, like religion in the aspect of having a need for belief. The need for a reason, an answer. The untimate quest.

Is mankind what it is all about in the grand scheme of this universe ? Just because we are the only life forms on this planet to conceive this concept does that make it fact ? Is our self importance a justified truth ? Or do we delude ourselves into the "It's all about us" mind set and just get carried away with our day dreams !

Mind boggling stuff or what ......


I like how you question things.thumbs up hug
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Apr 2, 2010 8:49 AM CST Being spiritual
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
GingerBe: I like how you question things.


confused what do you mean by that ? ....laugh rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 2, 2010 8:52 AM CST Being spiritual
StressFree: And that is rightfully your self-delusion, one can argue lol.
This sense of spirituality is experienced by millions. So it's not entirely a subjective experience. There is a lot more behind the non-physical realm that merits further investigation. It's not exactly rational to dismiss this since there is no evidence to close the books on this matter.

I'm inclined to say that it's the labels for identifying this experience that does not resonate with some people's belief systems---especially when this label is defined as God. Many spiritual atheists/agnostics don't say God, but use other terms in describing some connection with the non-physical----such as ESP or other psychic experiences like meditation that lead to well being. Does it mean it's spirituality? By definition yes.

For instance, meditation is a great example of using mind-body-spirit to clear static and feel at one with a higher state of awareness and consciousness. Studies empirically show that meditation (in all forms) is connected with well-being. Meditation is a part for many spiritual people, and its effects are real---no self-delusion. But that is just a small piece of the pie.
Is the "TRUTH" now determined by Majority-Vote too?uh oh
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Apr 2, 2010 8:54 AM CST Being spiritual
autumnstarlight
autumnstarlightautumnstarlightunknown, Antrim Ireland9 Threads 1,472 Posts
wonderworker: Propinquity
A kinship with what is outside of yourself,as well as within.


I agree wholeheartedly with your statement, if you can love yourself then you know better how to love the things around you, not just people but the whole of the wonder that is life. Thank you for sharing that thumbs up
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Apr 2, 2010 8:58 AM CST Being spiritual
annette2010
annette2010annette2010Brattleboro, Vermont USA2 Threads 50 Posts
Barrellofart: It means being logical and analytical, but understanding that there is far more to life, the universe, et al. than we are able to decipher, and therefore to be open to new ideas, possibilities, but to demand reason from those who propose them.

It also means..

Falling in love, really.




living life is the purpose of being alive .

It also means

Loving back, really.
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Apr 2, 2010 9:07 AM CST Being spiritual
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
RDM59: Spirituality ..... just another objective mind activity perhaps, like religion in the aspect of having a need for belief. The need for a reason, an answer. The untimate quest.

Is mankind what it is all about in the grand scheme of this universe ? Just because we are the only life forms on this planet to conceive this concept does that make it fact ? Is our self importance a justified truth ? Or do we delude ourselves into the "It's all about us" mind set and just get carried away with our day dreams !

Mind boggling stuff or what ......


Hmmmm....it goes deeper than mankind and individual truth. Part of self-spirituality is feeling a connection with some kind of source of energy and realizing that one is all and all is one and that we are not alone in the cosmos---both in the physical and non-physical realms.
I wouldn't say it's a need for having this belief, just having the awareness that such a immaterial reality exists beyond the scope of our understanding. I do admit though, that there is a need for belief. Belief is power and if you don't believe in anything, than you're not being. Being is believing and believing is being. What are you really without a belief system? So this need is normal and healthy for us curious beings.

Curiosity is a powerful emotion, so for sure that we do need more answers because we always ask. If we seek, we will find---and to my experience, I've been shown the way by this unexplainable source (my higher self as I like to call it) that gave me signs in ways that only synchronicity could explain (Jung's theory). It would be irrational for me to simply call this casual coincidence.

There is some good research that suggests that dolphins and whales have spirituality---interesting and fascinating.

I don't think it's delusion in thinking it's all about us, I see it as reality. It is all about us in an individual and collective sense. What is is life about? We all seek to overcome, we all are met with every type of inconceivable challenge, we all learn, and ultimately, we all would like to follow our excitement and just be happy and harmonious.

I've been trying to pierce these questions for a few years now hahaha, and the more I learn, the more I understand and realize how much I really don't know and will not know...yet feel a little closer to some kind of uniform truth that pertains to everybody---the way I see it. cheers
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Apr 2, 2010 9:10 AM CST Being spiritual
BootyliciousGal
BootyliciousGalBootyliciousGalAyia Napa, Famagusta Cyprus60 Threads 1,534 Posts
RDM59: that sounds like my kind of religion too.

A tangible one...... cheers ....


Having been force-fed certain aspects of religion over the years, I'm at a stage now where I recognised and exercised my right to freedom of choice ....comfortable with where I am at now on the religion aspects of my life..... but still always keep an open mind to exploringn other possibilities.....

I kinda like the sound of what its like being Spiritual in Scotland...... so, come on RDM and Patmac, you guys got room at the Spirits gantry for another possible convert?

grin grin hug cheers
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Apr 2, 2010 9:53 AM CST Being spiritual
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
StressFree: Hmmmm....it goes deeper than mankind and individual truth. Part of self-spirituality is feeling a connection with some kind of source of energy and realizing that one is all and all is one and that we are not alone in the cosmos---both in the physical and non-physical realms.
I wouldn't say it's a need for having this belief, just having the awareness that such a immaterial reality exists beyond the scope of our understanding. I do admit though, that there is a need for belief. Belief is power and if you don't believe in anything, than you're not being. Being is believing and believing is being. What are you really without a belief system? So this need is normal and healthy for us curious beings.

Curiosity is a powerful emotion, so for sure that we do need more answers because we always ask. If we seek, we will find---and to my experience, I've been shown the way by this unexplainable source (my higher self as I like to call it) that gave me signs in ways that only synchronicity could explain (Jung's theory). It would be irrational for me to simply call this casual coincidence.

There is some good research that suggests that dolphins and whales have spirituality---interesting and fascinating.

I don't think it's delusion in thinking it's all about us, I see it as reality. It is all about us in an individual and collective sense. What is is life about? We all seek to overcome, we all are met with every type of inconceivable challenge, we all learn, and ultimately, we all would like to follow our excitement and just be happy and harmonious.

I've been trying to pierce these questions for a few years now hahaha, and the more I learn, the more I understand and realize how much I really don't know and will not know...yet feel a little closer to some kind of uniform truth that pertains to everybody---the way I see it.


My belief is that there are forces, energies, dimensions and physics beyond our comprehension in the universe. I just don't assume our connection and importance with them. Not until proven otherwise....beer
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Apr 2, 2010 9:57 AM CST Being spiritual
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
RDM59: My belief is that there are forces, energies, dimensions and physics beyond our comprehension in the universe. I just don't assume our connection and importance with them. Not until proven otherwise....


Ah now there's the hard question......what constitutes proof?hug
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