Did God create man or did man create God (132)
Uh oh.....this is where the stuff hits the fan ....
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jvaski: Uh oh.....this is where the stuff hits the fan ....
LOL!!
nah . . i dont need to try to convince anyone of anything . .
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Kattsrose: How about this?
God created us then we recreated God.
Everybody has an opinion. The problem is that no one knows for sure. Extremists on both sides are convinced they hold the one and only truth though. Some get very abusive and nasty about it then claim they are only defending themselves.
If you are one of them on whatever side how do you justify that kind of behavior?
God created us then we recreated God.
Everybody has an opinion. The problem is that no one knows for sure. Extremists on both sides are convinced they hold the one and only truth though. Some get very abusive and nasty about it then claim they are only defending themselves.
If you are one of them on whatever side how do you justify that kind of behavior?
Of all the stuff that has been written on this thread, (mine included) this is the piece that really sums it up.
So if I may add something to Kattsrose, Love thy neighbour and let's get on with it.
Well done Kattsrose.
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jvaski: Conventional science is a collective of those who do not equate our creation to anything remotely spiritual .....
if we believe the earh is billions of years old.it would be hard to
believe god is our savior. but if we believe the story of creation
in the bible one of 66 books from genesis to revelation then god exists and is our savior/this is where faith comes in for us all.in the end the choice is ours.for me i believe that jesus is the way the truth and the life which he has prclaimed.the choice is ours.
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I suppose at the moment I am somewhere between an Athiest and an agnostic. I find that my life is much more relaxed now that I no longer believe that i am inadequate in the eyes of God. The Church always seem to set the bar just a little bit higher than human nature deemed natural. My brothers and sisters are all church goers and "I live and let live" and they do not impose on me. I still go to church on my mothers anniversary as its always part of an annual family reunion.
I am very interest in science as an explanation for the origins of life. This seems the most plauable and provable concept.
When I was ten years old my mother took me aside one day and told me that there was no Santa. I was upset at this turn of events as it undermined what I firmly believed. I would have loved years later if someone had told her about God. I didnt because I know she would not have accepted that and probably would have intensified her praying to get her wayward son back on the riteous path.
I am very interest in science as an explanation for the origins of life. This seems the most plauable and provable concept.
When I was ten years old my mother took me aside one day and told me that there was no Santa. I was upset at this turn of events as it undermined what I firmly believed. I would have loved years later if someone had told her about God. I didnt because I know she would not have accepted that and probably would have intensified her praying to get her wayward son back on the riteous path.
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gleneagle: I was contemp[lating today about this great question. I worry that the Bible/Koran and all major religious beliefs were written by people who invented their direct link to God to add credence to their ideas. I think all organised religions are esentially cults that have hierarchies that seek to control beliefs and actions. Believing something to be true isint the same as it being true. I truely wish for a life after death but I have no evidence to support that belief
MAN INVENTED GOD
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gleneagle: I was contemp[lating today about this great question. I worry that the Bible/Koran and all major religious beliefs were written by people who invented their direct link to God to add credence to their ideas. I think all organised religions are esentially cults that have hierarchies that seek to control beliefs and actions. Believing something to be true isint the same as it being true. I truely wish for a life after death but I have no evidence to support that belief
when you were a child you had no proof that santa claus exists but you believed in him. ps...he does exist
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GingerBe: That is a load of hogwash. You are suggesting that Catholics wrote the bible, and that is the only reason people believe in a God?.......nonsense.
People living in the wastes of undiscovered places, middle of jungles etc., have beliefs in higher deities.....None of them ever heard of Rome or bibles etc......
People living in the wastes of undiscovered places, middle of jungles etc., have beliefs in higher deities.....None of them ever heard of Rome or bibles etc......
That's different, they believe in deities, and are treating nature with respect, and have actually values, that Roman Catholic Church knows nothing about
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MovinFWD: True,religion was created by man and that has led to wars. So don't follow religion, follow Christianity which is God's word and God's word says don't murder, steal, lie, cheat, commit adultry etc. Why must everyone twist these around to make it appear like anything to do with God is horrible
Christianity IS a RELIGION
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gleneagle: I was contemp[lating today about this great question. I worry that the Bible/Koran and all major religious beliefs were written by people who invented their direct link to God to add credence to their ideas. I think all organised religions are esentially cults that have hierarchies that seek to control beliefs and actions. Believing something to be true isint the same as it being true. I truely wish for a life after death but I have no evidence to support that belief
Well you could easily get the evidence you want about life after death - but it would require you to die to get it. I'm betting you think that getting this evidence isn't really all that urgent right
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tainogirl: Well you could easily get the evidence you want about life after death - but it would require you to die to get it. I'm betting you think that getting this evidence isn't really all that urgent right
What good is evidence if I would not be alive to testify?
If I was to die, I wonder where do the keep all of them seventy virgins that they have to have on standby for those Al Qaeda suicide chaps.
In fact they dont even need to be virgins for me, I aint that fussy. Knowing my luck Ill probably be put in with the old nuns.
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gleneagle: What good is evidence if I would not be alive to testify?
If I was to die, I wonder where do the keep all of them seventy virgins that they have to have on standby for those Al Qaeda suicide chaps.
In fact they dont even need to be virgins for me, I aint that fussy. Knowing my luck Ill probably be put in with the old nuns.
If I was to die, I wonder where do the keep all of them seventy virgins that they have to have on standby for those Al Qaeda suicide chaps.
In fact they dont even need to be virgins for me, I aint that fussy. Knowing my luck Ill probably be put in with the old nuns.
There is very good evidence that points to the possibility that life does continue on after death. It's been documented for years.
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EliteOne: Not science, conventional science dose not believe there is a god. The idea that we are all ONE comes from spiritualists twisting science to suit the belief.
Are you familiar with the Quantum Entanglement theory? It's going in right direction as far as discovering the unknown parts of ourselves---or higher selves as some may label it.
I think scientists don't need to label this higher consciousness as God. For instance, Stephen Hawking once said "If we do discover a theory of everything...it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason—for then we would truly know the mind of God."
I just think they should just refer it to expanding ourselves as science leads the way for new discoveries about ourselves.
The concept of God (Western world) is limiting, and needs to evolve. But hey, that is Western society in a nutshell for you---masters of limitation.
We try to have the God concept be one person or one spirit or one energy that pushes the button to turn things on. And I don’t think that’s the way it works.
As long as were limited within our belief systems, it’s difficult if not impossible to understand this God concept logically. Our belief systems are so limited in size, and what we’re trying to understand and become aware of is so big, that it won’t all fit into our little box of belief systems.
The problems we have is that we try to label, categorize and put into boxes and slots those things which are limitless and eternal---like the cosmos perhaps ourselves. And that is a very limiting thought. If we could practice on thinking on infinite possibilities, then perhaps we could approach this matter with better understanding. By putting any kind of label on anything, we limit it because that is what everybody does. Think about it, without a belief system, what are you?
In any case, I do believe that all is one and one is all---and we are part of this infinite and fractal consciousness. I hate to use the term God because it has such a bad stigma now among the agnostics and atheists. I've really thought about this the past few months and have looked deeper into this with different approaches and studying as much material as I can to get a better sense. The most rational thing I can conclude is that there is something beyond the scope of our understanding, a higher consciousness that we are entangled to. I've taken a non-dualistic stance, broke off from my atheist belief, and I'm now agnostic. There is simply not enough evidence that can shut the door on the existence of a higher awareness/consciousness. If it was there, there would be no debate, right?
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StressFree: There is very good evidence that points to the possibility that life does continue on after death. It's been documented for years.
really
where do i locate this evidence?
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gleneagle: I was contemp[lating today about this great question. I worry that the Bible/Koran and all major religious beliefs were written by people who invented their direct link to God to add credence to their ideas. I think all organised religions are esentially cults that have hierarchies that seek to control beliefs and actions. Believing something to be true isint the same as it being true. I truely wish for a life after death but I have no evidence to support that belief
I can tell you that God created man not man God. The king James Bible can also verified it. Maybe try to see if you can prove the bible wrong in any one place.
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gleneagle: What good is evidence if I would not be alive to testify?
If I was to die, I wonder where do the keep all of them seventy virgins that they have to have on standby for those Al Qaeda suicide chaps.
In fact they dont even need to be virgins for me, I aint that fussy. Knowing my luck Ill probably be put in with the old nuns.
If I was to die, I wonder where do the keep all of them seventy virgins that they have to have on standby for those Al Qaeda suicide chaps.
In fact they dont even need to be virgins for me, I aint that fussy. Knowing my luck Ill probably be put in with the old nuns.
Well if you did kick the bucket I don't know that 'testifying' would be on your immediate agenda - since you've got no clue where you'll be spending this life after death or even who or what you'll become. I wouldn't worry about those virgins either since over on the other side you don't know if you'll be able to do anything more than look at the merchandise.
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God create people,men and women,everything in this world,and the question is:who created us?did we create ourselves?of course not,just need to read more and more.I was asking this question a time before,and i found my answers in the ''Holy Quraan'',hope u will find ur answers too,Take care,thanks.
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lookingforyou371: I can tell you that God created man not man God. The king James Bible can also verified it. Maybe try to see if you can prove the bible wrong in any one place.
i would prefer you to provide me with the evidence that it is correct
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theoldestdear: reallywhere do i locate this evidence?
Delve into NDE research publications from different academic disciplines such as parapsychology, neurology, psychology, and psychiatry.
Carl Jung has done some remarkable work in this field. Also, regressive hypnotherapy research is also a good source. And quantum consciousness/neurology research is creating some waves right now. Furthermore, pineal gland research is playing a huge role in this as well.
There are many common threads in the above research that I mentioned that cannot be reasoned away by a common hand waving argument by a neurologist or by some wise guy off the streets. It's a hypothesis of course, but if one is rational, one cannot over look the synchronicity of the dots that connect to each other that may suggest that there is life beyond physical death.
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Matter is anything that takes up space and has mass. It is what makes up all substances.
The science you are talking about does nothing and it cannot be turned into anything more then entertaining human thought…sorry!