Big Bang,inflation and the singularity (117)
Illuminate: Scientist talk a lot about the big bang as the origins of the universe, but what about the origins of the big bang?
Science speaks of processes but not about reasons.
Science speaks of processes but not about reasons.
Just finding out about the processes is good enough for me, the reason for it all may never be known. It's not their job to prove reason, just the scientific facts.
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Illuminate: Scientist talk a lot about the big bang as the origins of the universe, but what about the origins of the big bang?
Science speaks of processes but not about reasons.
Science speaks of processes but not about reasons.
at the time I banged my ex`s sister , no scientist cared about it.... and look now.... all eyes on me .....
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RDM59: Just finding out about the processes is good enough for me, the reason for it all may never be known. It's not their job to prove reason, just the scientific facts.
Yet these same scientist deny God altogether as a possible reason.
And without a reason there would be no processes.
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Illuminate: Yet these same scientist deny God altogether as a possible reason.
And without a reason there would be no processes.
You confuse the Job of the Scientist with the one of the Speculative Philosopher.And without a reason there would be no processes.
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Illuminate: Scientist talk a lot about the big bang as the origins of the universe, but what about the origins of the big bang?
Science speaks of processes but not about reasons.
Science speaks of processes but not about reasons.
Could it be that scientists are having a hard enough time explaining or proving the processes let alone trying to figure out the origins?
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Conrad73: You confuse the Job of the Scientist with the one of the Speculative Philosopher.
Perhaps, but that is only one perspective, another is to say that there one in the same.
Is love only love because of scientifically proven chemical processes in the human brain or are there other dimensions that cannot be charted and graphed....are the things that can't be measured any less real than the ones that can?
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Conrad73: You confuse the Job of the Scientist with the one of the Speculative Philosopher.
Question: What is scientists accept God as a possible reason? Could be a lot easier for thenm to explain (prove) the processes. It would be great breakthrough for science to show how the Big Bang came about (the origin).
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Illuminate: Yet these same scientist deny God altogether as a possible reason.
And without a reason there would be no processes.
And without a reason there would be no processes.
I think many scientist would agree that the structure and physical laws of our bio-friendly universe which makes it suitable and stable enough for life to emerge on this planet makes it look like a fix-up, as if it was designed for the purpose of our existance.
But to then say there must be a reason, give it the name GOD and then put all the telescopes and mathematics away is not the true nature and essence of mankind and his questioning conscience.
I don't think there has to be a reason to everything, but it is in our natures to obtain one. And if God is the reason, why did he give us such intelligence and enquiring minds to doubt him ?
Personally I think accepting the God reason is the lazy cop-out route.
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RDM59: I think many scientist would agree that the structure and physical laws of our bio-friendly universe which makes it suitable and stable enough for life to emerge on this planet makes it look like a fix-up, as if it was designed for the purpose of our existance.
But to then say there must be a reason, give it the name GOD and then put all the telescopes and mathematics away is not the true nature and essence of mankind and his questioning conscience.
I don't think there has to be a reason to everything, but it is in our natures to obtain one. And if God is the reason, why did he give us such intelligence and enquiring minds to doubt him ?
Personally I think accepting the God reason is the lazy cop-out route.
But to then say there must be a reason, give it the name GOD and then put all the telescopes and mathematics away is not the true nature and essence of mankind and his questioning conscience.
I don't think there has to be a reason to everything, but it is in our natures to obtain one. And if God is the reason, why did he give us such intelligence and enquiring minds to doubt him ?
Personally I think accepting the God reason is the lazy cop-out route.
Why does intelligence cause one to doubt God? to me it only verifies that God is real. I think one can only doubt if it is already in there heart.
Why would a Creator make a bunch of mindless creatures that will mindlessly accept Him? It would be far more valuable and mean more to be accepted by intelligent, discerning beings that can choose.
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Faithfulness: Question: What is scientists accept God as a possible reason? Could be a lot easier for thenm to explain (prove) the processes. It would be great breakthrough for science to show how the Big Bang came about (the origin).
Not the Job of the Scientist!And if he lets any Religious thinking he might have,to interfere with his Scientific Reasoning,he is worth less than nothing as a Scientist!
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Illuminate: Why does intelligence cause one to doubt God? to me it only verifies that God is real. I think one can only doubt if it is already in there heart.
Why would a Creator make a bunch of mindless creatures that will mindlessly accept Him? It would be far more valuable and mean more to be accepted by intelligent, discerning beings that can choose.
You think with your BRAIN,not your HEART!Why would a Creator make a bunch of mindless creatures that will mindlessly accept Him? It would be far more valuable and mean more to be accepted by intelligent, discerning beings that can choose.
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Illuminate: Perhaps, but that is only one perspective, another is to say that there one in the same.
Is love only love because of scientifically proven chemical processes in the human brain or are there other dimensions that cannot be charted and graphed....are the things that can't be measured any less real than the ones that can?
Not the Job of the Scientist!Is love only love because of scientifically proven chemical processes in the human brain or are there other dimensions that cannot be charted and graphed....are the things that can't be measured any less real than the ones that can?
And if he lets any Religious thinking he might have,to interfere with his Scientific Reasoning,he is worth less than nothing as a Scientist!
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Conrad73: Not the Job of the Scientist!
And if he lets any Religious thinking he might have,to interfere with his Scientific Reasoning,he is worth less than nothing as a Scientist!
And if he lets any Religious thinking he might have,to interfere with his Scientific Reasoning,he is worth less than nothing as a Scientist!
Ha ha, no need to yell.
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Illuminate: Why does intelligence cause one to doubt God? to me it only verifies that God is real. I think one can only doubt if it is already in there heart.
Why would a Creator make a bunch of mindless creatures that will mindlessly accept Him? It would be far more valuable and mean more to be accepted by intelligent, discerning beings that can choose.
Why would a Creator make a bunch of mindless creatures that will mindlessly accept Him? It would be far more valuable and mean more to be accepted by intelligent, discerning beings that can choose.
Then why did Allah choose to let fundamentalist American Christians evolve?
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Illuminate: Why does intelligence cause one to doubt God? to me it only verifies that God is real. I think one can only doubt if it is already in there heart.
Why would a Creator make a bunch of mindless creatures that will mindlessly accept Him? It would be far more valuable and mean more to be accepted by intelligent, discerning beings that can choose.
Why would a Creator make a bunch of mindless creatures that will mindlessly accept Him? It would be far more valuable and mean more to be accepted by intelligent, discerning beings that can choose.
Because we didn't have much intelligence way back in the time WE invented God as a reason. Our restless inquisitive minds wanted answers so made one up. Now many want the truth, not an unfair quest I would have thought.
You must take the 'heart' out of the equation to aquire rational thought.
Why did he bother making so many jellyfish, insects etc, etc ?? What is their purpose in it all ?
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Illuminate: Scientist talk a lot about the big bang as the origins of the universe, but what about the origins of the big bang?
Science speaks of processes but not about reasons.
Science speaks of processes but not about reasons.
i remembered someone say, Science answers the Hows, and Religion answers the Whys
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RDM59: I think many scientist would agree that the structure and physical laws of our bio-friendly universe which makes it suitable and stable enough for life to emerge on this planet makes it look like a fix-up, as if it was designed for the purpose of our existance.
But to then say there must be a reason, give it the name GOD and then put all the telescopes and mathematics away is not the true nature and essence of mankind and his questioning conscience.
I don't think there has to be a reason to everything, but it is in our natures to obtain one. And if God is the reason, why did he give us such intelligence and enquiring minds to doubt him ?
Personally I think accepting the God reason is the lazy cop-out route.
But to then say there must be a reason, give it the name GOD and then put all the telescopes and mathematics away is not the true nature and essence of mankind and his questioning conscience.
I don't think there has to be a reason to everything, but it is in our natures to obtain one. And if God is the reason, why did he give us such intelligence and enquiring minds to doubt him ?
Personally I think accepting the God reason is the lazy cop-out route.
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You either believe or not
I believe in science and God
And I can tell this is hitting a lot of sore spots with people.
I believe in science and God
And I can tell this is hitting a lot of sore spots with people.
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Illuminate: You either believe or not
I believe in science and God
And I can tell this is hitting a lot of sore spots with people.
I believe in science and God
And I can tell this is hitting a lot of sore spots with people.
nothing sore about it mate, just a good old friendly debate .... 
on a very important issue, the biggest one I would say.
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Science speaks of processes but not about reasons.