All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now??? ( Archived) (102)

Oct 28, 2010 6:25 PM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
I had hidden my profile, but had to come back to post this.

Below is a recent article from the Huffington Post:

So what is being done about this? If this Bill is passed by the Senate, the U.S. will yet again affect the entire bloomin globe, not just their own backyard! Hasn't the Senate got better things to do????? sad flower

By David Segal and Aaron Swartz

When it really matters to them, Congressmembers can come together -- with a panache and wry wit you didn't know they had. As banned books week gets underway, and President Obama admonishes oppressive regimes for their censorship of the Internet, a group of powerful Senators -- Republicans and Democrats alike -- have signed onto a bill that would vastly expand the government's power to censor the Internet.

The Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA) was introduced just one week ago, but it's greased and ready to move, with a hearing in front of the Judiciary Committee this Thursday. If people don't speak out, US citizens could soon find themselves joining Iranians and Chinese in being blocked from accessing broad chunks of the public Internet.

Help us stop this bill in its tracks! Click here to sign our petition.

COICA creates two blacklists of Internet domain names. Courts could add sites to the first list; the Attorney General would have control over the second. Internet service providers and others (everyone from Comcast to PayPal to Google AdSense) would be required to block any domains on the first list. They would
also receive immunity (and presumably the good favor of the government) if they block domains on the second list.

The lists are for sites "dedicated to infringing activity," but that's defined very broadly -- any domain name where counterfeit goods or copyrighted material are "central to the activity of the Internet site" could be blocked.

One example of what this means in practice: sites like YouTube could be censored in the US. Copyright holders like Viacom often argue copyrighted material is central to the activity of YouTube, but under current US law, YouTube is perfectly legal as long as they take down copyrighted material when they're informed about it -- which is why Viacom lost to YouTube in court.

But if COICA passes, Viacom wouldn't even need to prove YouTube is doing anything illegal to get it shut down -- as long as they can persuade the courts that enough other people are using it for copyright infringement, the whole site could be censored.

Perhaps even more disturbing: Even if Viacom couldn't get a court to compel censorship of a YouTube or a similar site, the DOJ could put it on the second blacklist and encourage ISPs to block it even without a court order. (ISPs have ample reason to abide the will of the powerful DOJ, even if the law doesn't formally require them to do so.)

COICA's passage would be a tremendous blow to free speech on the Internet -- and likely a first step towards much broader online censorship. Please help us fight back: The first step is signing our petition. We'll give you the tools to share it with your friends and call your Senator.
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Oct 28, 2010 7:54 PM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
paws4
paws4paws4Peterborough, Ontario Canada88 Threads 9 Polls 771 Posts
Good point. I read the Huffington Post on-line. Some of the video links are being blocked to readers outside of the US.
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Oct 28, 2010 8:20 PM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
ladyfingers
ladyfingersladyfingersclovis, nm, New Mexico USA261 Threads 1 Polls 5,456 Posts
I guess if they spend all their time censoring us on the internet, then they won't have the time to screw up the country anymore. grin
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Oct 28, 2010 9:10 PM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
ladyfingers: I guess if they spend all their time censoring us on the internet, then they won't have the time to screw up the country anymore.


LOL! Either that or they'll work overtime to do it. OH... wait.... they're government employees. Nevermind the working over time brain fart.

Excellent point! rolling on the floor laughing thumbs up
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Oct 29, 2010 3:32 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
paws4: Good point. I read the Huffington Post on-line. Some of the video links are being blocked to readers outside of the US.


It's started already then.uh oh
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Oct 29, 2010 3:36 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
ladyfingers: I guess if they spend all their time censoring us on the internet, then they won't have the time to screw up the country anymore.


What is driving these politicans. There are huge implications at risk, so my question is:


Where has the voice of the people gone?
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Oct 29, 2010 3:39 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
paws4: Good point. I read the Huffington Post on-line. Some of the video links are being blocked to readers outside of the US.
Who are the Owners of those Videos?


Is Huffington doing it?
If not,who is doing the blocking?dunno confused
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Oct 29, 2010 3:43 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
Vetri32
Vetri32Vetri32Singapore, Central Singapore Singapore229 Posts
Conrad73: Who are the Owners of those Videos?Is Huffington doing it?
If not,who is doing the blocking?


Natinol Policy think tanks
Homeland Security
Source out security firms ( like Blackwater or)
Useful idiots ( media, news, company- who know
cool
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Oct 29, 2010 3:44 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
Conrad73: Who are the Owners of those Videos?Is Huffington doing it?
If not,who is doing the blocking?
You might need to Update your Flashplayer,Paws!Or enable JAVA in your Computer,possibly both.
I just checked,had no problems playing Vids there.dunno
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Oct 29, 2010 3:46 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
Vetri32: Natinol Policy think tanks
Homeland Security
Source out security firms ( like Blackwater or)
Useful idiots ( media, news, company- who know
Or maybe just simply Copyrighted Material!laugh
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Oct 29, 2010 3:54 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
Conrad73: Or maybe just simply Copyrighted Material!


Conrad, you're getting 'stuck' on a red herring here.
Move on from the possible reason for paws' youtube access glitch or otherwise.......dancing

So, getting back on track, what do you think of the internet censoring issue in front of the U.S. Senate?

wine
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Oct 29, 2010 4:00 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
venere08: Conrad, you're getting 'stuck' on a red herring here.
Move on from the possible reason for paws' youtube access glitch or otherwise.......

So, getting back on track, what do you think of the internet censoring issue in front of the U.S. Senate?
Not talking about YouTube!
United States Supreme Court!
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Oct 29, 2010 5:32 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
JSuburbia
JSuburbiaJSuburbiaOrbisonia, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,518 Posts
venere08: What is driving these politicans. There are huge implications at risk, so my question is:Where has the voice of the people gone?



the voice of the people left politics from the very start. congress has always been for those that contribute to their re-election.

a great example of government giving the big middle finger to the american people is the Patriot Act. it violates so many of the civil liberties that are garanteed to us by the constitution that it's hard to phathom how the hell it got passed (the second version actually gives the governement MORE power).


OP, they are slick in that they will do it under the guise of national security/defense. And the American people will eat it up without second thought.

Trust me some of us are stuck here. If I could afford to leave, I would have been gone ALONG time ago.
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Oct 29, 2010 7:45 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Conrad73: Not talking about YouTube!
United States Supreme Court!
we need more dems on court bench lol.
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Oct 29, 2010 7:49 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
Steve5721
Steve5721Steve5721La Zenia, Murcia Spain72 Threads 2 Polls 4,564 Posts



SEC. 2. INTERNET SITES DEDICATED TO INFRINGING ACTIVITIES.

Chapter 113 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

‘Sec. 2324. Internet sites dedicated to infringing activities

‘(a) Definition- For purposes of this section, an Internet site is ‘dedicated to infringing activities’ if such site--

‘(1) is otherwise subject to civil forfeiture to the United States Government under section 2323; or

‘(2) is--

‘(A) primarily designed, has no demonstrable, commercially significant purpose or use other than, or is marketed by its operator, or by a person acting in concert with the operator, to offer--

‘(i) goods or services in violation of title 17, United States Code, or enable or facilitate a violation of title 17, United States Code, including by offering or providing access to, without the authorization of the copyright owner or otherwise by operation of law, copies of, or public performance or display of, works protected by title 17, in complete or substantially complete form, by any means, including by means of download, transmission, or otherwise, including the provision of a link or aggregated links to other sites or Internet resources for obtaining such copies for accessing such performance or displays; or

‘(ii) to sell or distribute goods, services, or materials bearing a counterfeit mark, as that term is defined in section 34(d) of the Act entitled ‘An Act to provide for the registration and protection of trademarks used in commerce, to carry out the provisions of certain international conventions, and for other purposes’, approved July 5, 1946 (commonly referred to as the ‘Trademark Act of 1946’ or the ‘Lanham Act’; 15 U.S.C. 1116(d)); and
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Oct 29, 2010 8:00 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Does any think that the FED net crack down might be on Islamic Jhadist websites?
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Oct 29, 2010 8:01 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
Steve5721: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3804SEC. 2. INTERNET SITES DEDICATED TO INFRINGING ACTIVITIES.

Chapter 113 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

‘Sec. 2324. Internet sites dedicated to infringing activities

‘(a) Definition- For purposes of this section, an Internet site is ‘dedicated to infringing activities’ if such site--

‘(1) is otherwise subject to civil forfeiture to the United States Government under section 2323; or

‘(2) is--

‘(A) primarily designed, has no demonstrable, commercially significant purpose or use other than, or is marketed by its operator, or by a person acting in concert with the operator, to offer--

‘(i) goods or services in violation of title 17, United States Code, or enable or facilitate a violation of title 17, United States Code, including by offering or providing access to, without the authorization of the copyright owner or otherwise by operation of law, copies of, or public performance or display of, works protected by title 17, in complete or substantially complete form, by any means, including by means of download, transmission, or otherwise, including the provision of a link or aggregated links to other sites or Internet resources for obtaining such copies for accessing such performance or displays; or

‘(ii) to sell or distribute goods, services, or materials bearing a counterfeit mark, as that term is defined in section 34(d) of the Act entitled ‘An Act to provide for the registration and protection of trademarks used in commerce, to carry out the provisions of certain international conventions, and for other purposes’, approved July 5, 1946 (commonly referred to as the ‘Trademark Act of 1946’ or the ‘Lanham Act’; 15 U.S.C. 1116(d)); and
Filesharing will Miraculously stop!professor





















rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 29, 2010 8:50 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
ladyfingers: I guess if they spend all their time censoring us on the internet, then they won't have the time to screw up the country anymore.
yay
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Oct 29, 2010 10:45 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Conrad73: Who are the Owners of those Videos?Is Huffington doing it?
If not,who is doing the blocking?


No I think sometimes they use HULU... which is only in the US, never had a problem myself so far, as they mostly use the bigger news carriers own video... some other sites heavily use this HULU tho... bit rude I think.. as if the rest of us don't exist and sooo against the spirit of the world wide web.
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Oct 29, 2010 10:55 AM CST All Americans: Where's your First Amendment now???
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Conrad73: Who are the Owners of those Videos?Is Huffington doing it?
If not,who is doing the blocking?


No I think sometimes they use HULU... which is only in the US, never had a problem myself so far, as they mostly use the bigger news carriers own video... some other sites heavily use this HULU tho... bit rude I think.. as if the rest of us don't exist and sooo against the spirit of the world wide web.

In case folks want to sign the petition it's here:



cool let's keep it real
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