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Jan 8, 2011 3:09 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
Karma10
Karma10Karma10Budapest, Central Hungary Hungary1 Threads 954 Posts
Conrad73: and you really think Hamas,Hezbollah and PA will give Peace?
Lost your Common Sense,SB?
Holy Peep!


I agree with you.thumbs up
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Jan 8, 2011 3:11 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
Karma10
Karma10Karma10Budapest, Central Hungary Hungary1 Threads 954 Posts
Albertaghost: Nope. It's under investigation. Heck Sillyrube, hamas investigates rocket firings don't thay and they take years to come up with their results so let's just apply equal standards here.
Simplebunny, you're the one who brings up these rulings yet you can't find one that supersedes Israel's right to defend themselves and then call me sophomoric?

I smell a rat. You seem to be caught in a lie my old pal Sillybirch.

Wait till the investigation is complete. Oh, Kalid, can you ask your Hamas masters to speed up the investigations of the murders of Israelis and the rocket firings please. Still waiting after over a year.

Oh, if you get a chance, tell them that that once they are not at war with Israel and take the destruction of same off their list that as neighbors rather than the enemy things will probably improve as they will have better relations.
thumbs up wine
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Jan 8, 2011 3:17 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
Karma10: I agree with you.
Thank you!handshake
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Jan 8, 2011 3:35 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
Talking about Paranoia!rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing






For the Birds: Saudi Arabia 'Detains' Vulture for Possible Espionagerolling on the floor laughing

The name's Bird. James Bird.

Ok, ok NewsFeed doesn't actually know if the vulture that was "detained" by Saudi Arabian authorities shared a name with the 007 agent, but we couldn't resist.



The bird in question was caught a few days ago by Saudi Arabian locals, who discovered that the griffon vulture was carrying a GPS transmitter with a label from Tel Aviv University.

Fearing a Zionist plot, the locals turned the bird over to the police and rumors of espionage for Israel began circulating throughout local media.



For their part, Israeli officials have deemed such accusations as absurd, saying that the GPS was used to track the bird's behavior. (via BBC)yay
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Jan 8, 2011 3:46 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Conrad73: Talking about Paranoia!
For the Birds: Saudi Arabia 'Detains' Vulture for Possible Espionage

The name's Bird. James Bird.

Ok, ok NewsFeed doesn't actually know if the vulture that was "detained" by Saudi Arabian authorities shared a name with the 007 agent, but we couldn't resist.
The bird in question was caught a few days ago by Saudi Arabian locals, who discovered that the griffon vulture was carrying a GPS transmitter with a label from Tel Aviv University.

Fearing a Zionist plot, the locals turned the bird over to the police and rumors of espionage for Israel began circulating throughout local media.
For their part, Israeli officials have deemed such accusations as absurd, saying that the GPS was used to track the bird's behavior. (via BBC)



I wonder when this was going to be posted!! Dang Isreali Mossad....using vultures now to swoop in to make attacks on
helpless parties in the middle east. grin

Maybe to steal a goat or two on the return flight to Isreal.

How does one train a vulture? To be a bird of prey? Or better a attack bird!!

I have seen the Saudi Falcons....maybe this was Isreali response to the threat of Saudi Falcons. Bird o bird. Bird against Bird....grin

Now the Saudi will come to the US...and ask for more radar and anti bird missile to defend against the threat of Isreal's vultures. grin They will track every bird flying from Isreal....just in case....that one might be the one......sent on a special Mossad mission....to swoop in and do bird o bird combant with the top Saudi falcon.grin
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Jan 8, 2011 3:48 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
ttom500: I wonder when this was going to be posted!! Dang Isreali Mossad....using vultures now to swoop in to make attacks on
helpless parties in the middle east.

Maybe to steal a goat or two on the return flight to Isreal.

How does one train a vulture? To be a bird of prey? Or better a attack bird!!

I have seen the Saudi Falcons....maybe this was Isreali response to the threat of Saudi Falcons. Bird o bird. Bird against Bird....

Now the Saudi will come to the US...and ask for more radar and anti bird missile to defend against the threat of Isreal's vultures. They will track every bird flying from Isreal....just in case....that one might be the one......sent on a special Mossad mission....to swoop in and do bird o bird combant with the top Saudi falcon.
It's a worldwide-Conspiracy I tells ya,a worldwide Conspiracy!rolling on the floor laughing
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Jan 8, 2011 3:51 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
SilverBirch: What lie? There are laws that define warfare and collective punishment. Occupation and stealing. The international community sees Israeli settlements as illegal.
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing SB,the Spokesman of The World Community,because HE told him to be!



Better be better informed then!laugh
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Jan 8, 2011 3:57 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Conrad73: It's a worldwide-Conspiracy I tells ya,a worldwide Conspiracy!


You know what is actually very funny.....the Saudi that found the GPS marked Vulture.....turn it over to the Saudi Authorities.
I can dig that...it makes sense.

But then Saudi authorities accuse the poor vulture of spying.help rolling on the floor laughing

At this point the Vulture....has to be thinking....does this mean a stoning or caning for me?doh Were is my legal defense counsel to contest the Saudi spying charges?grin

How do you cane the souls of a Vulture's claws? The stoning I get. But caning does not seem like a practical punishment on Vultures....grin cool
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Jan 8, 2011 4:04 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
ttom500: You know what is actually very funny.....the Saudi that found the GPS marked Vulture.....turn it over to the Saudi Authorities.
I can dig that...it makes sense.

But then Saudi authorities accuse the poor vulture of spying.

At this point the Vulture....has to be thinking....does this mean a stoning or caning for me? Were is my legal defense counsel to contest the Saudi spying charges?

How do you cane the souls of a Vulture's claws? The stoning I get. But caning does not seem like a practical punishment on Vultures....
They'll probably cut that poor Bird's wings off!uh oh
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Jan 8, 2011 5:16 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
SilverBirch: Oh, so this man is in his bed and the IDF goes in (the same IDF that Wow says are "the most highly trained and precision tacticle force on earth ) Murders an innocent man in his sleep, yesterday, and you say "Oh well" to bad for him.?????

What are you thinking Conrad?

Thinking??confused
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Jan 8, 2011 5:24 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last



The practice of pouring vast amounts of money into Palestine only works to finance and supports violence, radical Islam, terror and poverty in Gaza. Palestine has developed into an international welfare state perfectly suited for Hamas and the PA to continue terrorist operations against Israel and internal violence against their own opposition. As the linked article suggest, there is a direct connection with the fact that the Palestinians now receive more assistance, per capita, than any other place on Earth, while living in one of the most violent spaces in it. Despite the effusion of foreign aid, Palestinian productivity has declined and has increased suffering and hardship of the Palestinian people. Hamas is largely to blame by remaining overly hostile to Israel (Gaza’s largest trading partner) and launching rockets and provoking devastating responses that only further cripples the fragile society.


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Jan 8, 2011 5:29 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
Blues63
Blues63Blues63Brisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
Only 5 pages to go till SB's next thread! applause

I wonder what it will be about. confused

laugh
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Jan 8, 2011 5:33 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
Conrad73: http://westernexperience.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/international-aid-to-palestinians-proves-to-support-terror-and-violence-not-relief-and-recovery/The practice of pouring vast amounts of money into Palestine only works to finance and supports violence, radical Islam, terror and poverty in Gaza. Palestine has developed into an international welfare state perfectly suited for Hamas and the PA to continue terrorist operations against Israel and internal violence against their own opposition. As the linked article suggest, there is a direct connection with the fact that the Palestinians now receive more assistance, per capita, than any other place on Earth, while living in one of the most violent spaces in it. Despite the effusion of foreign aid, Palestinian productivity has declined and has increased suffering and hardship of the Palestinian people. Hamas is largely to blame by remaining overly hostile to Israel (Gaza’s largest trading partner) and launching rockets and provoking devastating responses that only further cripples the fragile society.
Apart from the partial truth in all those statements, have you written this time or is it another copy and paste. You always use capitalised letters in nouns probably following your German Spelling, so I doubt you have written all that.
Anyway, if you have, I congratulate you. You are making some progress...laugh
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Jan 8, 2011 5:47 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last


II. The False Hope of Finessing War

Why did things go so badly wrong? Where lay the flaws in so promising an agreement?

Of a multiplicity of errors, the ultimate mistake lay in Yitzhak Rabin's misunderstanding of how war ends, as revealed by his catch-phrase, "One does not make peace with one's friends. One makes peace with one's enemy." The Israeli prime minister expected war to be concluded through goodwill, conciliation, mediation, flexibility, restraint, generosity, and compromise, topped off with signatures on official documents. In this spirit, his government and those of his three successors — Shimon Peres, Binyamin Netanyahu, Ehud Barak — initiated an array of concessions, hoping and expecting the Palestinians to reciprocate.

They did not. In fact, Israeli concessions inflamed Palestinian hostility. Palestinians interpreted Israeli efforts to "make peace" as signals of demoralization and weakness. "Painful concessions" reduced the Palestinian awe of Israel, made the Jewish state appear vulnerable, and incited irredentist dreams of annihilation. Each Oslo-negotiated gesture by Israel further exhilarated, radicalized, and mobilized the Palestinian body politic to war. The quiet hope of 1993 to eliminate Israel gained traction, becoming a deafening demand by 2000. Venomous speech and violent actions soared. Polls and votes in recent years suggest that a mere 20 percent of Palestinians accept the existence of a Jewish state.

Yitzhak Rabin's understanding that "One does not make peace with one's friends. One makes peace with one's enemy" led Arab-Israeli diplomacy fundamentally astray.
Rabin's mistake was simple and profound: One cannot "make peace with one's enemy," as he imagined. Rather, one makes peace with one's former enemy. Peace nearly always requires one side in a conflict to be defeated and thus give up its goals.

Wars end not through goodwill but through victory. "Let your great object [in war] be victory" observed Sun Tzu, the ancient Chinese strategist. "War is an act of violence to compel the enemy to fulfill our will," wrote his nineteenth-century Prussian successor, Karl von Clausewitz in 1832. Douglas MacArthur observed in 1951 that in "war, there is no substitute for victory."

Technological advancement has not altered this insight. Fighting either continues or potentially can resume so long as both sides hope to achieve their war goals. Victory consists of imposing one's will on the enemy, compelling him to give up his war ambitions. Wars typically end when one side gives up hope, when its will to fight has been crushed.

Defeat, one might think, usually follows on devastating battlefield losses, as was the case of the Axis in 1945. But that has rarely occurred during the past sixty years. Battlefield losses by the Arab states to Israel in 1948-82, by North Korea in 1953, by Saddam Hussein in 1991, and by Iraqi Sunnis in 2003 did not translate into despair and surrender. Morale and will matter more these days. Although they out-manned and out-gunned their foes, the French gave up in Algeria, the Americans in Vietnam, and the Soviets in Afghanistan. The Cold War ended, notably, with barely a fatality. Crushing the enemy's will to fight, then, does not necessarily mean crushing the enemy.

Arabs and Israelis since 1948 have pursued static and opposite goals: Arabs fought to eliminate Israel; Israelis fought to win their neighbors' acceptance. Details have varied over the decades with multiple ideologies, strategies, and leading actors, but the twin goals have remained in place and unbridgeable. If the conflict is to end, one side must lose and one side win. Either there will be no more Zionist state or it will be accepted by its neighbors. Those are the only two scenarios for ending the conflict. Anything else is unstable and a premise for further warfare.
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Jan 8, 2011 5:47 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
The Arabs have pursued their war aims with patience, determination, and purpose; the exceptions to this pattern (e.g., the Egyptian and Jordanian peace treaties) have been operationally insignificant because they have not tamped hostility to Israel's existence. In response, Israelis sustained a formidable record of strategic vision and tactical brilliance in the period 1948-93. Over time, however, as Israel developed into a wealthy country, its populace grew impatient with the humiliating, slow, boring, bitter, and expensive task of convincing Arabs to accept their political existence. By now, few in Israel still see victory as the goal; almost no major political figure on the scene today calls for victory in war. Uzi Landau, currently minister of national infrastructure, who argues that "when you're in a war you want to win the war," is the rare exception.
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Jan 8, 2011 6:45 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
springnight
springnightspringnighthamm, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany33 Posts
Conrad73: Actually she didn't like my answers!


You were scared to show you opinion, instead you post an article justifying the crime of stealing lands...as long as Jewsh got that special DNA doh
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Jan 8, 2011 6:54 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
springnight
springnightspringnighthamm, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany33 Posts
SilverBirch: Shooting an inocent man in cold blood? Hmmmmmm Maybe thats murder? No?


As long as he is not a Zionist, Do you think they would care ???!!! Don't be shocked if they replied with "so What?"
sad flower
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Jan 8, 2011 6:54 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
springnight: You were scared to show you opinion, instead you post an article justifying the crime of stealing lands...as long as Jewsh got that special DNA
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing doh
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Jan 8, 2011 6:54 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
springnight: As long as he is not a Zionist, Do you think they would care ???!!! Don't be shocked if they replied with "so What?"
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing doh
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Jan 8, 2011 6:56 AM CST Palestinian Statehood at Last
springnight: You were scared to show you opinion, instead you post an article justifying the crime of stealing lands...as long as Jewsh got that special DNA
What Land?
The Land the Idiots rejected in '48!
BTW,are you a Muslim?
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