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Mar 7, 2011 10:22 AM CST please please help
toxicaura
toxicauratoxicaurasummit, Kentucky USA3 Threads 1 Polls 749 Posts
Paldi5: The thread is young and needed a break IMHO. Get over it or bite on me, your choice and your time guy. I don't much care either way.
just pointing a liar out mumbling
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Mar 7, 2011 6:22 PM CST please please help
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Nice video... ben a while since I listened to that one.grin
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Mar 11, 2011 5:00 PM CST please please help
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Paldi5: This is total BS!

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Pentagon: Strikes a Success

Pentagon: 31 Targets Hit in First Day
of Strikes; Operation a ‘Success’As U.S. forces launched a second wave of attacks on targets in Gadaffi-controlled areas of Lebanon, the Pentagon said that based on preliminary battle damage information, the airstrikes on Sunday were successful.

Speaking at a news briefing in Washington today, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said U.S. forces had struck military aircraft, runways, missile launchers and "amunition storage bunkers including those storing mustard gas."

"Based on our early assessment, we believe that we've made progress towards eliminating the air defense sites that are located around the country," he said. "We also believe we've made an impact on the military airfields that were targeted."

Fifteen land-based bombers, 25 strike aircraft and 50 Tomahawk missiles were used in Sunday's attacks, which were aimed at the Gadaffi's air defense installations, his personal command center, airport-based command centers, airfields, communication grids and transportation choak points and infrastructure.

Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said 31 targets were attacked in Sunday's strikes. "We are generally pleased with the early results," said Myers, adding that a second wave of attacks was targeting sites similar to those hit in the first round of strikes.

However, Rumsfeld stressed that it was still too early to say if Libyan air defenses, aircraft and airports had been fully disabled.

Refuting earlier Libyan claims that its forces had shot down one U.S. aircraft on Sunday, Rumsfeld said all U.S. military personnel and aircraft that took part in Sunday's strikes had returned safe and were accounted for. He dismissed the claims as "flat untrue."

Humanitarian Air Drops to Continue

Sunday's mission was a two-pronged attack combining a broad campaign against the Gadaffi's loyalist network while offering humanitarian airdrops for Libyan citizens.

The first strikes on Libya began shortly after nightfall local time on Sunday (about 12:30 p.m. ET) with Tomahawk cruise missiles, each with a price tag of $1 million. The missiles came from U.S. and British surface ships and submarines, including one unnamed American submarine, one unnamed British sub, and the surface ships USS Philippine Sea, USS John Paul Jones, USS O'Brien and USS McFaul.

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I must be dreaming.
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Mar 11, 2011 5:49 PM CST please please help
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Original article is the briefing on attacks on Taliban air defenses.

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Mar 11, 2011 7:01 PM CST please please help
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
deja vu only his time with the help of France
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Mar 11, 2011 7:27 PM CST please please help
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Does anyne have any further thoughts about what can be done?

It seems to me the democracies in the world don't go out of their way to help a new democracy get off the ground. We did nothing for Iran or Egypt. I for one think a coalition of the willing should always be ready to help in any way they can.
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Mar 11, 2011 8:10 PM CST please please help
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Paldi5: Does anyne have any further thoughts about what can be done?

It seems to me the democracies in the world don't go out of their way to help a new democracy get off the ground. We did nothing for Iran or Egypt. I for one think a coalition of the willing should always be ready to help in any way they can.


Help overthrow a government? Where would it stop, overthrow the British government, Russian, Italian who?

As for democracy, not yet as it is simply a revolution with democracy as one possible outcome not a shoe in.
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Mar 11, 2011 8:17 PM CST please please help
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Albertaghost: Help overthrow a government? Where would it stop, overthrow the British government, Russian, Italian who?

As for democracy, not yet as it is simply a revolution with democracy as one possible outcome not a shoe in.


Sure you're right Al. Let him get out the gas and go to town like Saddam and Adolf. teddybear
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Mar 11, 2011 8:28 PM CST please please help
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Paldi5: Sure you're right Al. Let him get out the gas and go to town like Saddam and Adolf.


Whoever said that? Unilaterally toppling governments is not the job of the US government and, certainly not to aid some fictitious democratic movement.
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Mar 11, 2011 8:45 PM CST please please help
SCatlyn
SCatlynSCatlynBrecon, South Glamorgan, Wales UK5 Threads 2,166 Posts
Paldi5: Does anyne have any further thoughts about what can be done?

It seems to me the democracies in the world don't go out of their way to help a new democracy get off the ground. We did nothing for Iran or Egypt. I for one think a coalition of the willing should always be ready to help in any way they can.
Yes... the coalition of the willing should NOT BE U.S.!!!!
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Mar 11, 2011 8:58 PM CST please please help
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
SCatlyn: Yes... the coalition of the willing should NOT BE U.S.!!!!


If it came to a vote in the UNSC should we veto, abstain or vote yea?
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Mar 11, 2011 9:20 PM CST please please help
SCatlyn
SCatlynSCatlynBrecon, South Glamorgan, Wales UK5 Threads 2,166 Posts
Paldi5: If it came to a vote in the UNSC should we veto, abstain or vote yea?
Imo, abstain for now(and possibly for always-in this particular situation - just depends on what develops)
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Mar 12, 2011 1:20 AM CST please please help
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Paldi5: If it came to a vote in the UNSC should we veto, abstain or vote yea?


You bet yes. It's the right thing to do.thumbs up
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Mar 17, 2011 12:21 PM CST please please help
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Albertaghost: You bet yes. It's the right thing to do.


Finally might happen.
"to the shores of Tripoli"

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US pushes for air strikes, no-fly zone in Libya
By REUTERS
03/17/2011 18:08


United States seeking UN authorization for air attacks against Libyan tanks, heavy artillery, diverting frozen Gaddafi assets to rebels.

WASHINGTON - The United States, in a sharp shift in tone, wants the United Nations to authorize not just a no-fly zone to aid Libyan rebels but also air strikes against Libyan tanks and heavy artillery, US officials said on Thursday.

The United States has concluded a "no-fly" zone should be adopted and other measures that go well beyond a no-fly zone, should be taken, including air strikes against Libyan armor and artillery, US officials said.

The United States is also seeking UN authorization for other steps under consideration, including diverting frozen assets of leader Muammar Gaddafi to Libyan rebels for buying weapons and tightening a Libyan arms embargo.

State Department Undersecretary of State William Burns said the United States supports international measures "short of boots on the ground" to address the Libyan crisis.

He said Washington is concerned Gaddafi could "return to terrorism and violent extremism" and create turmoil in the Middle East.

Any military plan adopted must have active participation by Arab League nations.

"They have to do more than just support it," a senior official said.

The move toward a tougher stance in favor of military action comes after an extended internal debate within the Obama administration, and as the Libyan opposition appeals for immediate assistance to prevent the rebel capital of Benghazi from falling to forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

Pentagon officials have made clear their wariness of instituting a no-fly zone with US forces already engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan and a massive relief operation under way in Japan.


At least 30 women, children and elderly men have been killed in crossfire as Libyan rebels and Gaddafi's troops fought around the eastern town of Ajdabiyah, Al Arabiya TV reported on Thursday.

The rebels have been trying to halt a push towards the insurgent capital of Benghazi by Gaddafi's troops, who have surrounded Ajdabiyah, 150 km (90 miles) south of Benghazi on the Gulf of Sirte, an eyewitness said.
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Mar 19, 2011 11:03 PM CST please please help
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Paldi5 3/6/2011:
My recommendation for a UN supported show of force warning against Gadaffi in an attempt to get his loyalsts to switch sides and to assist the rebel forces (but at arms length without putting our boots on their ground) is my opinion, which I have every right to express in the manner I have.
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Mar 19, 2011 11:03 PM CST please please help
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Paldi5 3/6/2011:
My recommendation for a UN supported show of force warning against Gadaffi in an attempt to get his loyalsts to switch sides and to assist the rebel forces (but at arms length without putting our boots on their ground) is my opinion, which I have every right to express in the manner I have.
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Mar 19, 2011 11:05 PM CST please please help
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
So, ten days wasted... sigh

It will be harder now.
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Mar 19, 2011 11:16 PM CST please please help
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
Why is the USA engaging in ANOTHER overseas battle - when we have so many problems at home ....WHY ? roll eyes doh doh
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Mar 19, 2011 11:20 PM CST please please help
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
jvaski: Why is the USA engaging in ANOTHER overseas battle - when we have so many problems at home ....WHY ?



That's what I was trying to get across to some people all day Saturday j.Nothing seemd to sink in.

Where does the buck stop.

I also wonder if any of those countries that US claims it cares about so much will help the USA fight our battles.Proabably not.
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Mar 19, 2011 11:34 PM CST please please help
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
Ccincy: That's what I was trying to get across to some people all day Saturday j.Nothing seemd to sink in.

Where does the buck stop.

I also wonder if any of those countries that US claims it cares about so much will help the USA fight our battles.Proabably not.


Maybe they feel we have bigger printing presses for money than the others .......doh
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