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We are doing more than what you think,how do you think 6000 chinise apart your own breathen and other nationalities arrived in Crete island???? Our vessels are IN and OUT of Libya evacuating foreign nationals,including 3 C-130 transport planes,plus 500 American special commandos,awaiting in Crete (Souda base)ready to be transported in to action.
gardenhackle: Maybe Greece should do something about Libya while the USA complains about how and why you're doing it. It's easy to criticize when you have insulated yourself from the possibility of doing anything wrong by not doing anything at all.
You know Libya is right across the water from you... you guys are in a good position to help, so don't wait for the USA to be your kicking posts. You can get in there and do something yourselves.
You know Libya is right across the water from you... you guys are in a good position to help, so don't wait for the USA to be your kicking posts. You can get in there and do something yourselves.
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chris27292729: We are doing more than what you think,how do you think 6000 chinise apart your own breathen and other nationalities arrived in Crete island???? Our vessels are IN and OUT of Libya evacuating foreign nationals,including 3 C-130 transport planes,plus 500 American special commandos,awaiting in Crete (Souda base)ready to be transported in to action.
Oh damn,yesterday it was only 400,might still reach those 400'000 claimed elsewhere!
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One more thing, IMO i did not insult nobody,i just proposed International forces go in,and liberate the Libyans by getting rid off Qaddafi and stopping the Libyans people slaughter.
gardenhackle: Maybe Greece should do something about Libya while the USA complains about how and why you're doing it. It's easy to criticize when you have insulated yourself from the possibility of doing anything wrong by not doing anything at all.
You know Libya is right across the water from you... you guys are in a good position to help, so don't wait for the USA to be your kicking posts. You can get in there and do something yourselves.
You know Libya is right across the water from you... you guys are in a good position to help, so don't wait for the USA to be your kicking posts. You can get in there and do something yourselves.
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Greek news say 500 Americans in SOUDA base waiting to go in to action,and about 6000 mainly Chinise evacuated from Libya.Am sure you want me, to be accurate to the last nationality.-Yes including 2 Swiss, 1 from S.Pole, 2 Inuits,and 1 from Lichtenstein.
Conrad73: Oh damn,yesterday it was only 400,might still reach those 400'000 claimed elsewhere!
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chris27292729: We are doing more than what you think,how do you think 6000 chinise apart your own breathen and other nationalities arrived in Crete island???? Our vessels are IN and OUT of Libya evacuating foreign nationals,including 3 C-130 transport planes,plus 500 American special commandos,awaiting in Crete (Souda base)ready to be transported in to action.
Just a slight correction here. The US does not special commando.
Rangers...SEALS....Airborne....Special Forces.....and Air Force Special Operations Teams.....but commandos...no. I hate for the international CS reader to think that UK Commandos......imitaiting US military Special are on a Libyan mission.
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chris27292729: Greek news say 500 Americans in SOUDA base waiting to go in to action,and about 6000 mainly Chinise evacuated from Libya.Am sure you want me, to be accurate to the last nationality.-Yes including 2 Swiss, 1 from S.Pole, 2 Inuits,and 1 from Lichtenstein.
Ever been in Liechtenstein?Better don't go!
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gardenhackle: No way the US needs to go in and do a damned thing just so there can be more fist-shaking and nitwit rhetoric about the imperialist United States warmongers blah blah blah.
People who think "someone should help" should get their asses to an airport and hop on the first plane to Libya because the US is damned if they do and damned if they don't and it's a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to go with "don't" since we'll be damned anyway.
People who think "someone should help" should get their asses to an airport and hop on the first plane to Libya because the US is damned if they do and damned if they don't and it's a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to go with "don't" since we'll be damned anyway.
Yes, damned anyway. But also, if it is about saving lives, may be more will be lost with intervention than without? Has anyone ever estimated possibilities?
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As a matter of fact am due,as a friend has invited me for a couple of days,and he is saying that he wants to meet you,as has never in his life life met, an extra rightist like you.
Conrad73: Ever been in Liechtenstein?
Better don't go!
Better don't go!
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chris27292729: As a matter of fact am due,as a friend has invited me for a couple of days,and he is saying that he wants to meet you,as has never in his life life met, an extra rightist like you.
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The translation in Greek is special commando.-Call them what you feel like,paratroopers etc, and are Americans.
ttom500: Just a slight correction here. The US does not special commando.
Rangers...SEALS....Airborne....Special Forces.....and Air Force Special Operations Teams.....but commandos...no. I hate for the international CS reader to think that UK Commandos......imitaiting US military Special are on a Libyan mission.
Rangers...SEALS....Airborne....Special Forces.....and Air Force Special Operations Teams.....but commandos...no. I hate for the international CS reader to think that UK Commandos......imitaiting US military Special are on a Libyan mission.
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Ever heard of stealth fighter planes... invisible to radar? Unlike you.
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toxicaura: It's called a government overthrow, An internal matter started by the people of Lybia, Not another country invading them, What country should rightfully help with signs of force... All other countries can do is stand by and watch and help evacuate civilians also donate food and medicine, the rest is up to NATO
Well, we can thank the French for their help in 1776.
What does NATO have to do with it?
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Conrad73: Actually you can wade over it around Weite-Wartau!
They constantly have to dredge Gravel out of it!Wish I had that Contract,pretty Lucrative I hear!
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Paldi5: Ever heard of stealth fighter planes... invisible to radar? Unlike you.
Stealth is not "INVISIBLE" it just has a very low profile on Radar and it can be tracked and it has no magic cloak.
Any decent doppler compensated circular polarised radar and a decent operator will find them.
look at this..
I tracked stealth using the T85 and even the old T80...
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The UNSC should draw a line. Then act as they have the power to do so. They need to send a brigade to capture Gadafi and bring him to stand trial. They should bomb his compound and give him an opportunity to surrender or flee into exile.
UNSC Resolution on Libya Sends a Message to Other RegimesBy LALIT K JHA Monday, February 28, 2011
WASHINGTON — The unprecedented unity shown by the powerful 15-member United Nations Security Council (UNSC) in passing a strong resolution against Libyan leader Muammar Al-Gaddafi, including a travel ban and asset freeze, also sends a tough warning to other hardline regimes...
The resolution, passed unanimously ... after hours of debate, sends a strong message that the international community will no longer tolerate regimes across the globe that kill their own citizens or commit gross human rights violations to hold onto power.
“It is obvious that this referral is going well beyond Libya,” France's ambassador to the UN, Gerard Araud, told reporters Saturday night following a decision by the UNSC to refer Gaddafi and his cronies to the International Criminal Court (ICC) for alleged crimes against humanity.
Despite their initial reservations on this issue, China and India both finally agreed to go along with the rest of the Security Council in passing the resolution. This is particularly notable in the case of China, which in the past has used its veto power to block moves by Western countries led by France to invoke the “responsibility to protect” principle in the case of Burma.
The decision to condemn Gaddafi — and the newfound willingness of China and others to recognize the need to take strong action against oppressive regimes — was immediately applauded in Washington.
“The Security Council resolution, which was passed in record time and included countries that are often reluctant to empower the international community to take such actions, sends a strong, unmistakable signal,” US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters...
Araud, the French ambassador, went even further in describing the move as a significant break from the past, calling the ICC referral “a warning to all the leaders who could be tempted to use repression against this wind of change, this wind of liberty. We feel it, we felt it in the Security Council chamber, we feel it in the corridors of this organization.”
“There is an earthquake going on, and it has reached New York. I don’t know if there will be a tomorrow. I do hope there will be a tomorrow. I do hope that responsibility to protect, international justice and sanctions against dictators will have a follow-up and that dictators will listen to what is happening even in the usually prudent Security Council,” the French ambassador said.
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UNSC Resolution on Libya Sends a Message to Other RegimesBy LALIT K JHA Monday, February 28, 2011
WASHINGTON — The unprecedented unity shown by the powerful 15-member United Nations Security Council (UNSC) in passing a strong resolution against Libyan leader Muammar Al-Gaddafi, including a travel ban and asset freeze, also sends a tough warning to other hardline regimes...
The resolution, passed unanimously ... after hours of debate, sends a strong message that the international community will no longer tolerate regimes across the globe that kill their own citizens or commit gross human rights violations to hold onto power.
“It is obvious that this referral is going well beyond Libya,” France's ambassador to the UN, Gerard Araud, told reporters Saturday night following a decision by the UNSC to refer Gaddafi and his cronies to the International Criminal Court (ICC) for alleged crimes against humanity.
Despite their initial reservations on this issue, China and India both finally agreed to go along with the rest of the Security Council in passing the resolution. This is particularly notable in the case of China, which in the past has used its veto power to block moves by Western countries led by France to invoke the “responsibility to protect” principle in the case of Burma.
The decision to condemn Gaddafi — and the newfound willingness of China and others to recognize the need to take strong action against oppressive regimes — was immediately applauded in Washington.
“The Security Council resolution, which was passed in record time and included countries that are often reluctant to empower the international community to take such actions, sends a strong, unmistakable signal,” US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters...
Araud, the French ambassador, went even further in describing the move as a significant break from the past, calling the ICC referral “a warning to all the leaders who could be tempted to use repression against this wind of change, this wind of liberty. We feel it, we felt it in the Security Council chamber, we feel it in the corridors of this organization.”
“There is an earthquake going on, and it has reached New York. I don’t know if there will be a tomorrow. I do hope there will be a tomorrow. I do hope that responsibility to protect, international justice and sanctions against dictators will have a follow-up and that dictators will listen to what is happening even in the usually prudent Security Council,” the French ambassador said.
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blarneykite: Well correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't civilians being killed there anyway????
The US saved hundreds of thousands of lives if not millions by taking Saddam out and in the process, eighteen thousand people were killed and another ninety thousand by fellow Iraqis.
The US got the blame for everything though just as they would in Libya no matter how many lives were saved.
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patmac: Stealth is not "INVISIBLE" it just has a very low profile on Radar and it can be tracked and it has no magic cloak.
Any decent doppler compensated circular polarised radar and a decent operator will find them.
look at this..
I tracked stealth using the T85 and even the old T80...
Any decent doppler compensated circular polarised radar and a decent operator will find them.
look at this..
I tracked stealth using the T85 and even the old T80...
Of course you did.
And you have proof Gaddafi has the ability to shoot these planes down as well?
That will be interesting. I'm all eyes. Prove it.
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Paldi5: Of course you did.
And you have proof Gaddafi has the ability to shoot these planes down as well?
That will be interesting. I'm all eyes. Prove it.
If the Radar catches them from underneath,the Signature will still be pretty damn big,and once you lock on,yeah well!And you have proof Gaddafi has the ability to shoot these planes down as well?
That will be interesting. I'm all eyes. Prove it.
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Albertaghost: The US saved hundreds of thousands of lives if not millions by taking Saddam out and in the process, eighteen thousand people were killed and another ninety thousand by fellow Iraqis.
The US got the blame for everything though just as they would in Libya no matter how many lives were saved.
The US got the blame for everything though just as they would in Libya no matter how many lives were saved.
Yep and the UK as well. One thing folk forget Liya is no pushover ...So before you get a NO FLY ZONE this lot has to go.
LIBYAN AIR ASSETS AND AIR DEFENSE
Main bases
Libya's air force is headquartered at Okba Ben Nafi Air Base (formerly Methega, and Wheelus AFB) located 7 miles due east of Tripoli. This is a well-equipped air base that has been developed with Russian assistance to support and maintain a full air force of over 200 combat aircraft. Another large air base is located at Benghazi and a third, Gamal Abdul Nasser Air Base, is situated a few miles southwest of Tobruk. Two other air bases are located near the Egyptian border -- at Al Kufrah Oasis and at Jabal al Uwaynat in the far south.
Air Defense
Libya deploys the SA-2, SA-3, and Crotale missiles. At least one battery of each of these types have been spotted at each of Libya's three main air bases (Okba Ben Nafi, Benghazi and Gamal Abdul Nassar). One battery of Crotale sites have been detected at each of the two smaller bases in the southeast. The Libyan Army also operates three SA-5 batteries which are currently at undisclosed locations (probably in storage.)
Aircraft
The Libyan air force is believed to consist of over 500 combat aircraft, with some reports suggesting the number is as high as 700. These aircraft include MiG-23s, MiG-25s, Su-24, Fencer 'D's, Su-27s and Mirage F.1EDs. At least one squadron of Tu-22 bombers are known to be located at Okba Ben Nafi AB.
Organization
Libya's air force is organized into one medium bomber squadron, three fighter interceptor squadrons, five forward ground attack squadrons, one counterinsurgency squadron, nine helicopter squadrons, and three air defense brigades. Exact distribution and numbers of each squadron are unknown at this time. According to French intelligence, however, we know that there are no more than 60 or 70 Mirage aircraft, which are believed to be poorly maintained due to the lack of French technical support. Those Mirage aircraft that are in service are believed to be located at Gamal Abdul Nasser Air Base.
Training
The number of well-trained pilots is nowhere near the number of planes in its inventory, a situation that Libya is apparently seeking to change through heavy recruitment efforts in recent years. While Libyan pilots are somewhat proficient in ground attack and to a lesser degree, maritime attack, they are particularly weak at air-to-air combat. As a whole, the Libyan air force is not very impressive in its response time, either, with a 20-to-30-minute reaction time noted during exercises in the Mediterranean back in 2005. It is unknown whether Libya has improved their proficiency in this areas since then.
So taking that lot out would cost a lot of lives and a hell of a lot of cash.
Even though the Libyans are not as good and as practiced as they allies would be it would be terrible.
As always JMO...
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It's called a government overthrow, An internal matter started by the people of Lybia, Not another country invading them, What country should rightfully help with signs of force... All other countries can do is stand by and watch and help evacuate civilians also donate food and medicine, the rest is up to NATO