The tall poppy syndrome is alive and well in Australia and this is a classic example of it. According to golfer Greg Norman, the tall poppy syndrome indicates jealousy of someone else's success. Norman explains that if someone in America bought a sports car, then other Americans would say “nice car”. However, if someone in Australia bought a sports car, other Australians would scratch it.
So why does a crushed Barina elicit more sympathy than a crushed Porsche? Why does the owner of the Porsche somehow deserve this bad luck and why is it often assumed that he can only afford a Porsche because he fiddles his tax returns?
Still today the best that you can do for someone is to “give ‘em a fair go” and the ‘Aussie battler' is celebrated as someone who may not ever win, but who will face any adversity and never give up trying. Australians' frequent support of the underdog in everything from sport to business to politics (and particularly in the union movement) celebrates the idea of people who just keep on trying and who would rather be a ‘battler' than a ‘tall poppy'! Most Australians will tell you that a ‘tall poppy' is someone who has an inflated sense of self worth. Many expats and migrants will tell you, as though determined to avoid that situation, that they find Australians are fairly reluctant to offer praise for a job well done. Unlike America where individual achievements are encouraged from a very early age, the culture in Australia is very much one of teamwork and mateship – an ‘all for one and one for all' kind of society. Achievements are of most value when they benefit the team, not the individual, and new players may find it helpful to be modest about achievements and to downplay their successes.
Clearly the spirit of competition is alive and well here, but perhaps with an exception of not being too successful? In many ways, this is partly what contributes to Australia's laid back lifestyle, but it is also a source of frustration for many newcomers to the country. If high achievers are actually allowed to show what's possible, without getting knocked for it, it means the bar is raised for everyone else too and that's not to everyone's liking. In Australia people work to live, they don't live to work; work is very much seen as something you do to fund your lifestyle and if you have to spend eight to 10 hours a day in the office, then it had better be a relaxed place to work. Talking and joking with colleagues, having time out in the office kitchen or during Friday night drinks are sacred work practices here and it's important to join your colleagues in them if you want to be accepted here. Australia really is a land of opportunity, but whatever success you enjoy, just don't boast about it.
MrGeorge: Unlike America where individual achievements are encouraged from a very early age...
Nay, not individual achievement, it's individual existence we've celebrated here, for two generations of more. We've raised 50 years' worth or more of people who don't believe they should have to make an effort. Any effort. At anything. Bunch of lazy layabouts, we are. Shameful.
This attitude is not indiginous to Australia. There were a lot of generalisations made in that statement that I don't agree with. The statements about Americans in general were not accuarate either.
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Many expats and migrants will tell you, as though determined to avoid that situation, that they find Australians are fairly reluctant to offer praise for a job well done. Unlike America where individual achievements are encouraged from a very early age, ..............
MerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia11,403 posts
I agree with almost everything you have said here..
Yes, I work to live, work very long hours, and work within a heirarchy.. The competition is huge, to wear a badge is important and study is continuous...
"In Australia people work to live, they don't live to work; work is very much seen as something you do to fund your lifestyle and if you have to spend eight to 10 hours a day in the office, then it had better be a relaxed place to work. Talking and joking with colleagues, having time out in the office kitchen or during Friday night drinks are sacred work practices here and it's important to join your colleagues in them if you want to be accepted here. Australia really is a land of opportunity, but whatever success you enjoy, just don't boast about it."
Not true about praise tho... we acknowledge and praise others achievements... and quietly think.... I'll work out a way to be better... Yes, we are very very competitive...
And yes, I am in the union... have to be here, no matter what is costs.. cos for that time when you are not feeling up to the next raised ceiling.. you need an army behind you...
If you dont hit that fast moving train called life here which starts mond and finishes friday.... youre a gonna... sad but true..
Merriweather: I agree with almost everything you have said here..
Yes, I work to live, work very long hours, and work within a heirarchy.. The competition is huge, to wear a badge is important and study is continuous...
"In Australia people work to live, they don't live to work; work is very much seen as something you do to fund your lifestyle and if you have to spend eight to 10 hours a day in the office, then it had better be a relaxed place to work. Talking and joking with colleagues, having time out in the office kitchen or during Friday night drinks are sacred work practices here and it's important to join your colleagues in them if you want to be accepted here. Australia really is a land of opportunity, but whatever success you enjoy, just don't boast about it."
Not true about praise tho... we acknowledge and praise others achievements... and quietly think.... I'll work out a way to be better... Yes, we are very very competitive...
And yes, I am in the union... have to be here, no matter what is costs.. cos for that time when you are not feeling up to the next raised ceiling.. you need an army behind you...
If you dont hit that fast moving train called life here which starts mond and finishes friday.... youre a gonna... sad but true..
Next time I'm in Sydney, Melbourne or Perth, I'm keeping my Ferrari in a garage!
MerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia11,403 posts
Godsgift: Next time I'm in Sydney, Melbourne or Perth, I'm keeping my Ferrari in a garage!
Yes, better yuou do... I bought a brand new Mazda... cost me a fortune and in the first week, I had a work do to go to... when at the end of the night, I walked bake to the car where I had parked it... it was scratched all over with a coin or key , and coke tipped over it.. it was one week old....
Merriweather: Yes, better yuou do... I bought a brand new Mazda... cost me a fortune and in the first week, I had a work do to go to... when at the end of the night, I walked bake to the car where I had parked it... it was scratched all over with a coin or key , and coke tipped over it.. it was one week old....
typical... had to pay to have it fixed... damn...
That's sickening! I'd want the death penalty restored if that happened to me and I'm fevourantly anti capital punishment! We could always transport them to Aust.........oops... ...never mind!
daisy333Sydney, New South Wales Australia514 posts
MrGeorge: The tall poppy syndrome is alive and well in Australia and this is a classic example of it. According to golfer Greg Norman, the tall poppy syndrome indicates jealousy of someone else's success. Norman explains that if someone in America bought a sports car, then other Americans would say “nice car”. However, if someone in Australia bought a sports car, other Australians would scratch it.
... Talking and joking with colleagues, having time out in the office kitchen or during Friday night drinks are sacred work practices here and it's important to join your colleagues in them if you want to be accepted here. Australia really is a land of opportunity, but whatever success you enjoy, just don't boast about it.
Interesting points. I'm not sure that I agree completely with all of the points that you've made here. I think that a lot of responsibility for the 'tall poppy syndrome' has to be owned by the media and how they represent success and successful Australians. How much we love our successful Australians doesn't sell many copies of Womans day, does it?
Greg Norman certainly is a success and I think Australians are more forgiving of sportspeople success wise than in any other area. What Australians tend to not like, IMO, is Aussie success stories going overseas, acquiring an American accent and criticising the country that got them started. This got Norman much of his bad press in the late 90s and I suspect that his failed business endeavours in Oz account for some of his surly interviews around that time.
I do agree that Australians generally don't like a show-off. I don't think they resent successful people; I think many Australians are very driven but also very generous by nature. I guess deep down, Australians treat other Aussies like family - sure, go out in the world and enjoy, but don't forget us or where you came from. When Aussies suspect they've been forgotten, it's not something they get over quickly.
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So why does a crushed Barina elicit more sympathy than a crushed Porsche? Why does the owner of the Porsche somehow deserve this bad luck and why is it often assumed that he can only afford a Porsche because he fiddles his tax returns?
Still today the best that you can do for someone is to “give ‘em a fair go” and the ‘Aussie battler' is celebrated as someone who may not ever win, but who will face any adversity and never give up trying. Australians' frequent support of the underdog in everything from sport to business to politics (and particularly in the union movement) celebrates the idea of people who just keep on trying and who would rather be a ‘battler' than a ‘tall poppy'!
Most Australians will tell you that a ‘tall poppy' is someone who has an inflated sense of self worth.
Many expats and migrants will tell you, as though determined to avoid that situation, that they find Australians are fairly reluctant to offer praise for a job well done. Unlike America where individual achievements are encouraged from a very early age, the culture in Australia is very much one of teamwork and mateship – an ‘all for one and one for all' kind of society. Achievements are of most value when they benefit the team, not the individual, and new players may find it helpful to be modest about achievements and to downplay their successes.
Clearly the spirit of competition is alive and well here, but perhaps with an exception of not being too successful? In many ways, this is partly what contributes to Australia's laid back lifestyle, but it is also a source of frustration for many newcomers to the country. If high achievers are actually allowed to show what's possible, without getting knocked for it, it means the bar is raised for everyone else too and that's not to everyone's liking. In Australia people work to live, they don't live to work; work is very much seen as something you do to fund your lifestyle and if you have to spend eight to 10 hours a day in the office, then it had better be a relaxed place to work. Talking and joking with colleagues, having time out in the office kitchen or during Friday night drinks are sacred work practices here and it's important to join your colleagues in them if you want to be accepted here. Australia really is a land of opportunity, but whatever success you enjoy, just don't boast about it.