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Apr 12, 2011 12:38 AM CST women
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
matchbox: they are people who infiltrated france not pure french at all, you have loads like these in the uk too and in many other countries


Migration is a constant process, sometimes bigger and sometimes smaller .

Pure French???
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Apr 12, 2011 9:47 AM CST women
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
I love it when I have the last word...redclown
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Apr 12, 2011 8:11 PM CST women
bollywood
bollywoodbollywoodTRIVANDRUM, Kerala India53 Threads 2 Polls 973 Posts
chris27292729: Why don't you go and preach,what you are saying in your post in Egypt a Muslim country. 3 months ago the fanatical Muslim mob,attacked and lynched their fellow Coptic Christians (10% Egypt's population),who have lived in Egypt from times immemorial,not like the one's in France who they have arrived in the country,as the result of colonialism the last 100 years.


So you agree that France to go back to a Radical state ? or emerge as a Western Taliban ?
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Apr 12, 2011 8:25 PM CST women
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
Boban1: hope they ban helmets as well





I wish that being France, they would be the first nation to really take 'equality' to its logical conclusion; namely to ban everyone from wearing clothes !!professor rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 12, 2011 9:21 PM CST women
rogerken
rogerkenrogerkenStanthorpe, Queensland Australia22 Posts
Merriweather: It was for occupational health and safety reasons... I think here in Aus we are going to go down that road too... It has been argued that having a clear view whilst driving tends to lessen accidents as periphal view is important and plays a huge role in what a driver can observe..

With a face covering, it has been argued that only front focus is visible..

Now what if... a small child ran out and you could not see this child or animal or old person.. etc.. and you caused an accident or worse, because of a face covering...

JMO.


did you know that you can get a drivers licence in this country with only one eye? makes this argument a little weak (unless you can tell me something else)
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Apr 12, 2011 9:27 PM CST women
bollywood: I dont understand if a woman love to wear her cultural outfits and thats not going to interfere with the law and order then why it should it be banned ? . May be French government want to make their country Muslim - unfriendly to check the Muslims people coming there .!!!!!!!.



I understand what you're saying. I think France is going through a lot of problems right now with multiculturalism and it's probably a way of preventing people like those who wrote the message I posted from thinking they'll have it their way. Remember it's only a very small minority who wear the Niqab so it's not really affecting the Muslim community as a whole and I'm sure many Muslims probably support this ban.
I think we should keep in mind that many Muslim communities live in fear of certain Islamist groups and they’d certainly welcome the day they could get rid of them.
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Apr 12, 2011 9:42 PM CST women
bollywood
bollywoodbollywoodTRIVANDRUM, Kerala India53 Threads 2 Polls 973 Posts
Onlyguy: I understand what you're saying. I think France is going through a lot of problems right now with multiculturalism and it's probably a way of preventing people like those who wrote the message I posted from thinking they'll have it their way. Remember it's only a very small minority who wear the Niqab so it's not really affecting the Muslim community as a whole and I'm sure many Muslims probably support this ban.
I think we should keep in mind that many Muslim communities live in fear of certain Islamist groups and they’d certainly welcome the day they could get rid of them.



We all live in a multicultural world . Problem arises when we try to align them with the thinking of the majority . let the people be different, let the thinking be different, let the diversity flourish . Cultural nationalism has no role in modern day living. If Burka is forced on someone then its should be checked . Burka is not the culprit , its the people who enforce them are. There are many woman /men who are comfortable only in their cultural outfits. and France has so many Muslim citizens . I dont think its a wise idea to ban Burkha
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Apr 12, 2011 10:59 PM CST women
maryrachelle
maryrachellemaryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada27 Threads 1,370 Posts
It's their country and they should run it how they see fit.
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Apr 12, 2011 11:31 PM CST women
bollywood: We all live in a multicultural world . Problem arises when we try to align them with the thinking of the majority . let the people be different, let the thinking be different, let the diversity flourish . Cultural nationalism has no role in modern day living. If Burka is forced on someone then its should be checked . Burka is not the culprit , its the people who enforce them are. There are many woman /men who are comfortable only in their cultural outfits. and France has so many Muslim citizens . I dont think its a wise idea to ban Burkha


All countries have their traditions and customs. Take India for example, arranged marriages exist and in many if not most of these marriages a dowry is demanded even though it’s forbidden by law today but people still practise it. Why was Dowry banned in a country that has been practising this type of arranged marriage for centuries and in fact still do today?
How about the Indian institution of caste, it has existed and still does today, in Canada this would not be recognized.
Look at how cows are treated and can roam freely in India. Even if you practise Hinduism don’t try that in Canada because you’ll be fined if your cows are not fenced in or roaming around throughout the cities or countryside.
Why is it that in a country like Turkey that is 95% Muslim the wearing the Hijab (headscarf) was banned in the 80’s in the public sector, parliament, civil services, universities, etc. yet the headscarf is part of the Muslim religion unlike the Burqa or Niqab though today Muslims still differ on whether the Hijab should be required to be worn by women in public.
Why is it that in a Muslim country like Syria it is forbidden to wear the Burqa in schools and universities by either students, teachers or staff
I read that the Knesset (legislature branch of the Israeli government) intend to put forward a bill to “prohibit the wearing of a full-body and face covering for women”. The bill would not differentiate between Muslims and Jews because some Jewish women also wear them.
In most if not all Muslim countries the killing of the sheep for the Eid al Adha holiday is done with a knife by the slicing of the throat. They’ve been doing this for centuries but if they move to Canada this type of slaughtering is forbidden by law.
Countries have their traditions, their laws and these should come before all religious practises, all traditions and all customs.
The majority of Islamic scholars say the Niqab is not obligatory in Islam and is merely a custom that dates back to tribal nomadic societies living in the Arabian desert and other dusty and dry areas before Islam began, and this in order to provide protection against dust and sand so why would it be required or worn in places like France.
Today many countries and many people including Muslims believe that the wearing of the Burqa/Niqab is out of date not to say prehistoric and it’s nothing more than an old tribal custom that simply degrades women.
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Apr 13, 2011 12:17 AM CST women
Blues63
Blues63Blues63Brisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
Soon the riots will start no doubt.sigh
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Apr 13, 2011 3:42 AM CST women
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
France will not go back a be a radical state or emerge like a Western Taliban.Can you please answer the question.- Is the burka in Islamic countries a religious dress YES or NO .- I do know that some women wear the burka willingly,but some, they are forced to wear it because their fathers and husbands force them to wear it.You can practise your religious dress code in your own country,or as i suggested in my previous post,inside your home or your religious sancuary.And why the Islamic religious zealots. from the past till now have maintain the burka in women???.-Because fathers and husbands in Muslim religion believe,wives and daughers have to wear the burka outside their home,as not to scandalise the men outside.I think is about Islam has to be modernised.-
bollywood: So you agree that France to go back to a Radical state ? or emerge as a Western Taliban ?
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Apr 13, 2011 3:49 AM CST women
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Not a cultural outfit,you don't get it,do you??, its a religious out fit.
bollywood: I dont understand if a woman love to wear her cultural outfits and thats not going to interfere with the law and order then why it should it be banned ? . May be French government want to make their country Muslim - unfriendly to check the Muslims people coming there .!!!!!!!.
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Apr 13, 2011 3:56 AM CST women
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Very good post.thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up
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Apr 13, 2011 3:57 AM CST women
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Very good post.thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up
Onlyguy: All countries have their traditions and customs. Take India for example, arranged marriages exist and in many if not most of these marriages a dowry is demanded even though it’s forbidden by law today but people still practise it. Why was Dowry banned in a country that has been practising this type of arranged marriage for centuries and in fact still do today?
How about the Indian institution of caste, it has existed and still does today, in Canada this would not be recognized.
Look at how cows are treated and can roam freely in India. Even if you practise Hinduism don’t try that in Canada because you’ll be fined if your cows are not fenced in or roaming around throughout the cities or countryside.
Why is it that in a country like Turkey that is 95% Muslim the wearing the Hijab (headscarf) was banned in the 80’s in the public sector, parliament, civil services, universities, etc. yet the headscarf is part of the Muslim religion unlike the Burqa or Niqab though today Muslims still differ on whether the Hijab should be required to be worn by women in public.
Why is it that in a Muslim country like Syria it is forbidden to wear the Burqa in schools and universities by either students, teachers or staff
I read that the Knesset (legislature branch of the Israeli government) intend to put forward a bill to “prohibit the wearing of a full-body and face covering for women”. The bill would not differentiate between Muslims and Jews because some Jewish women also wear them.
In most if not all Muslim countries the killing of the sheep for the Eid al Adha holiday is done with a knife by the slicing of the throat. They’ve been doing this for centuries but if they move to Canada this type of slaughtering is forbidden by law.
Countries have their traditions, their laws and these should come before all religious practises, all traditions and all customs.
The majority of Islamic scholars say the Niqab is not obligatory in Islam and is merely a custom that dates back to tribal nomadic societies living in the Arabian desert and other dusty and dry areas before Islam began, and this in order to provide protection against dust and sand so why would it be required or worn in places like France.
Today many countries and many people including Muslims believe that the wearing of the Burqa/Niqab is out of date not to say prehistoric and it’s nothing more than an old tribal custom that simply degrades women.
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Apr 13, 2011 4:14 AM CST women
moodyblues
moodybluesmoodybluesCAPE TOWN, Western Cape South Africa3 Threads 210 Posts
matchbox: new law in france, women are banned from covering their face anymore, thats a law from now on, what do you think about this??
You need to follow the rules of the country in which you choose to live. If you don't like it, you should move to a country where the rules suit you.
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Apr 13, 2011 4:44 AM CST women
maryrachelle
maryrachellemaryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada27 Threads 1,370 Posts
moodyblues: You need to follow the rules of the country in which you choose to live. If you don't like it, you should move to a country where the rules suit you.
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Apr 13, 2011 7:29 AM CST women
bollywood
bollywoodbollywoodTRIVANDRUM, Kerala India53 Threads 2 Polls 973 Posts
chris27292729: France will not go back a be a radical state or emerge like a Western Taliban.Can you please answer the question.- Is the burka in Islamic countries a religious dress YES or NO .- I do know that some women wear the burka willingly,but some, they are forced to wear it because their fathers and husbands force them to wear it.You can practise your religious dress code in your own country,or as i suggested in my previous post,inside your home or your religious sancuary.And why the Islamic religious zealots. from the past till now have maintain the burka in women???.-Because fathers and husbands in Muslim religion believe,wives and daughers have to wear the burka outside their home,as not to scandalise the men outside.I think is about Islam has to be modernised.-


I maintain it. If a woman willingly wear Burkha then its oppressing not to allow it . and I dont think there should be a problem in people practicing the religion of their choice if that is not going to endanger the law and order or the social fabrics.There are thousands of French Muslim citizens who have all the rights like their Christian fellow citizens to practice their faith and wear the dress they like. Dont you think the Christian monasteries s does the same oppression forcing the nuns to wear the all covering dress depriving them of worldly pleasures ?
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Apr 13, 2011 7:32 AM CST women
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
moodyblues: You need to follow the rules of the country in which you choose to live. If you don't like it, you should move to a country where the rules suit you.

They did choose, 4 generations ago and they have French citizenship
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Apr 13, 2011 8:05 AM CST women
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
You did not answer the question,and i ask you again. Is the burka a religious dress for muslim women Yes or NO.The nuns and the monks have a religious dress,inside the monastery and display it outside only when have something to do,like shopping.-Nuns and monks volunteraly have accepted this religious dress code,for serving God.While in a Muslim society,the husband or father can impose his will,and force wife or daugher to have the Burka on.- How the hell,can compare forced(fathers+husbands) will,with a voluntaraly one (nuns+monks).
bollywood: I maintain it. If a woman willingly wear Burkha then its oppressing not to allow it . and I dont think there should be a problem in people practicing the religion of their choice if that is not going to endanger the law and order or the social fabrics.There are thousands of French Muslim citizens who have all the rights like their Christian fellow citizens to practice their faith and wear the dress they like. Dont you think the Christian monasteries s does the same oppression forcing the nuns to wear the all covering dress depriving them of worldly pleasures ?
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Apr 13, 2011 8:16 AM CST women
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
If for 4 generations don't have been westernised sent them back,but is not the previous generations,those have assimilated in general in France,is the new arrivals,who they think,uppon arriving,others they have to accept their religious dressing code.
Boban1: They did choose, 4 generations ago and they have French citizenship
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