You cannot prove there is no God. (71)
wayward19Vancouver, British Columbia Canada35 Threads 117 PostsWhat other animals make bombs and learn how to use symbols in order to read and write. They don't even vote in elections.
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wayward19: The thing that makes us different from all other living creatures is that we are able to think in abstract terms. This creates many problems because we tend to create things that lead to destruction as well as good things that lead to morals and ethics for life and preservation. I believe the use of ethics and morals is to rationalize our existance and is the genesis of all religions.
Dolphins believe their ability to think abstractly is what separates them from all other animals, too. It doesn't separate them from tuna nets, though.
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Blues63: Would not that people are spiritual and capable of love attest to abstract thought?
all of Humanity's advances,Good or Bad attest to the human Ability for Abstract Thought!------ This thread is Archived ------
wayward19: The thing that makes us different from all other living creatures is that we are able to think in abstract terms. This creates many problems because we tend to create things that lead to destruction as well as good things that lead to morals and ethics for life and preservation. I believe the use of ethics and morals is to rationalize our existance and is the genesis of all religions.
So you really think Ethics and Morality couldn't exist independent of Religion?
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Conrad73: So you really think Ethics and Morality couldn't exist independent of Religion?
Ethics and morality exist despite religion, in my opinion
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Blues63: Would not that people are spiritual and capable of love attest to abstract thought?
I don't question that people are able to think in abstract terms.
I question that people are the only living creature which is able to think in abstract terms.
Wayward19:" The thing that makes us different from all other living creatures is that we are able to think in abstract terms."
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The thing that makes us different from all other creatures is the size of our brain. Good or bad that's the unfortunate truth.
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blarneykite: Ethics and morality exist despite religion, in my opinion
Exactly!
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"Man is the only animal that laughs and weeps, for he is the only animal that is struck with the difference between what things are, and what they ought to be."
William Hazlitt
William Hazlitt
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bodleing: "Man is the only animal that laughs and weeps, for he is the only animal that is struck with the difference between what things are, and what they ought to be."
William Hazlitt
Fellow had quite an insight!William Hazlitt
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wayward19: What other animals make bombs and learn how to use symbols in order to read and write. They don't even vote in elections.
I have a dog that arranges his toys all day long in different geometrical patterns, and shapes.
He'll put 5 toys in an arc with equal distances between them; a bone, a rope, a bone, a rope, a bone.
Then he'll put them in a horizontal row, with equal spaces between them.
Then he'll put them in a vertical row, with equal spaces between them.
I've seen him put three different sized, and shaped bones, into a perfect equilateral triangle, with all the sides touching like puzzle pieces.
He rearranges them in the widest part of the floor all through the day; and it amazes my friends.
Wolves plan, and execute long hunts that cover many miles.
The hunts involve herding, and members of the pack hiding, and ambushing from from prearranged vantage points on caribou migration routes.
Wayward19:" The thing that makes us different from all other living creatures is that we are able to think in abstract terms."
Can you prove, no other living creature thinks in abstract terms?
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bodleing: "Man is the only animal that laughs and weeps, for he is the only animal that is struck with the difference between what things are, and what they ought to be."
William Hazlitt
William Hazlitt
WHEN ELEPHANTS WEEP: THE EMOTIONAL LIVES OF ANIMALS
On some level, most people believe animals can experience some types of emotions, because they’ve seen it: the guardian who has seen the joy his dog feels at loping along the beach; the nature lover who has observed a pair of Western Grebes running in unison along the surface of a lake; the farm kid who has seen the bond between a cow mother and her child; the slaughterhouse worker who has seen the terror flooding down the line of pigs about to be killed. Extending acceptance of a variety of emotions to other individual animals or species seems much more difficult for humans, however. Masson explores the breadth, depth and complexity of emotion and intelligence present throughout the animal kingdom.
A mother spider cradling her babies when they were all dropped in alcohol. (67-68)
The Rhesus monkeys who refused to shock their companions in order to be able to eat. (162)
Harry Harlow’s experiments with infant monkeys. (101-102)
Baby elephants from Kenya who have seen their parents slaughtered and wake up screaming. (46)
Bears and chimpanzees appreciating sunsets. (192-193)
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to believe or not to believe is a decision that everyone has to make out of their own free will,no matter what decision they make everyone should respect their decision but i am going to give you something to think about,i have a friend a couple of weeks ago step on a IED.it went off but they thing about it he didn't get not one mark on him.yes when it went off it sent him flying in the air but nothing happen to him or the others around him.go tell him there is no God and watch what he tells you ------ This thread is Archived ------
savingzgrace: to believe or not to believe is a decision that everyone has to make out of their own free will,no matter what decision they make everyone should respect their decision but i am going to give you something to think about,i have a friend a couple of weeks ago step on a IED.it went off but they thing about it he didn't get not one mark on him.yes when it went off it sent him flying in the air but nothing happen to him or the others around him.go tell him there is no God and watch what he tells you
or possibly the IED wasn't strong enough to kill!------ This thread is Archived ------
trust me it was strong enough to kill all of those who was around it,when it went off 
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savingzgrace: to believe or not to believe is a decision that everyone has to make out of their own free will,no matter what decision they make everyone should respect their decision but i am going to give you something to think about,i have a friend a couple of weeks ago step on a IED.it went off but they thing about it he didn't get not one mark on him.yes when it went off it sent him flying in the air but nothing happen to him or the others around him.go tell him there is no God and watch what he tells you
Try telling that story to the thousands of orphan children, the result from the earthquakes in China and the rest of the world, they will tell you there is NO god and that it was simply luck no soldiers died, the same as it was bad luck their parent, brothers and sisters died.
That your friend believed it was God that saved him is his rightful opinion, but don't expect others to assume it is absolute proof!
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savingzgrace: trust me it was strong enough to kill all of those who was around it,when it went off
Explosives do strange things,depending the position you're in!------ This thread is Archived ------
you can't proof that denial isn't a river in egypt either.
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gardenhackle: Nor can you prove that someone somewhere can't flap their arms really fast and fly around the room like a little hummingbird.
But you can believe whatever you want. But one thing you can be sure of. Your belief or lack thereof has absolutely no bearing on whether or not God exists. Nor does my belief. If there is a God, his existence doesn't rely on your belief, my belief or anyone else's belief. And if there is no God, your belief, my belief nor anyone else's belief will change that, either.
Just sayin'. It's not worth beating up yourself or anyone else over what they do or don't believe because it isn't going to change a thing for you - and probably won't change anything for them, either. Although you might believe differently. Of course.
But you can believe whatever you want. But one thing you can be sure of. Your belief or lack thereof has absolutely no bearing on whether or not God exists. Nor does my belief. If there is a God, his existence doesn't rely on your belief, my belief or anyone else's belief. And if there is no God, your belief, my belief nor anyone else's belief will change that, either.
Just sayin'. It's not worth beating up yourself or anyone else over what they do or don't believe because it isn't going to change a thing for you - and probably won't change anything for them, either. Although you might believe differently. Of course.
Right, so worship MEEEEEEEE! Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
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gardenhackle: Nor can you prove that someone somewhere can't flap their arms really fast and fly around the room like a little hummingbird.
But you can believe whatever you want. But one thing you can be sure of. Your belief or lack thereof has absolutely no bearing on whether or not God exists. Nor does my belief. If there is a God, his existence doesn't rely on your belief, my belief or anyone else's belief. And if there is no God, your belief, my belief nor anyone else's belief will change that, either.
Just sayin'. It's not worth beating up yourself or anyone else over what they do or don't believe because it isn't going to change a thing for you - and probably won't change anything for them, either. Although you might believe differently. Of course.
But you can believe whatever you want. But one thing you can be sure of. Your belief or lack thereof has absolutely no bearing on whether or not God exists. Nor does my belief. If there is a God, his existence doesn't rely on your belief, my belief or anyone else's belief. And if there is no God, your belief, my belief nor anyone else's belief will change that, either.
Just sayin'. It's not worth beating up yourself or anyone else over what they do or don't believe because it isn't going to change a thing for you - and probably won't change anything for them, either. Although you might believe differently. Of course.
I conker you win no one can prove something that does not exist….so therefore there must be a god.
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