Patriotism (260)
jvaski: There was a time when I was that proud to be from USA.....and in the last ten years that changed some when I listened to people's perspectives from other countries in my travels
Maybe I was like a turnip for years ....but now I see how utterly backwards so many are in this country ........
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jvaski: There was a time when I was that proud to be from USA.....and in the last ten years that changed some when I listened to people's perspectives from other countries in my travels
Seems you might change your citizenship then. I mean, if you don't know who you are and, thought you were pretty good then let other people tell you are not and, you take it to heart that you are no good, why stick around?
Hell, ten years ago you were proud and now you're not. Better to move and become a citizen of a country you can be proud of since you only have a few years invested in this. Maybe someplace that most Americans like so you won't have a conflict of interest. Britain, Canada, Poland or something like that.
Heck, you're unemployed right now so it would be a good time to make the switch. I certainly wouldn't remain a citizen of a counrty I was ot proud of so wonder how on earth you can bear it.
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In response to: Ive met people in life who would regard themselves as Patriotic.
But the older I get I see it means different things to different people. What does it mean to you and how has that belief impacted on your life? Your thoughts!!
But the older I get I see it means different things to different people. What does it mean to you and how has that belief impacted on your life? Your thoughts!!
My idea of patriotism is either you are with us or against us...and if you don't meet our 'demands', we will bomb the hell out of you
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mnowsa: My idea of patriotism is either you are with us or against us...and if you don't meet our 'demands', we will bomb the hell out of you
So then a terrorist without a country is patrotic then. To what country is a terrorist patriotic to Mnowsa?
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mnowsa: My idea of patriotism is either you are with us or against us...and if you don't meet our 'demands', we will bomb the hell out of you
Rupert Murdoch - - - FOX News
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Albertaghost: So then a terrorist without a country is patrotic then. To what country is a terrorist patriotic to Mnowsa?
Terrorist is a criminal and his loyalty is to some messed up Religious ideal - - -
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Albertaghost: So then a terrorist without a country is patrotic then. To what country is a terrorist patriotic to Mnowsa?
yeap.....i don't make any distinction between a 'terrorist without a country' and ' a terrorist with a country'. Now the question is can a terrorist with a country blame ' a terrorist without a country'?
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54xmax: Terrorist is a criminal and his loyalty is to some messed up Religious ideal - - -
However,they say that "either you are with us or against us...and if you don't meet our 'demands', we will bomb the hell out of you"
So, terrorists are patriots then according to Mnowsas definition.
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54xmax: Rupert Murdoch - - - FOX News + American Ruling Class
yeap...Fox news....the fair and balance news....
the fair and balance news implementing only the agenda of the 'conservatives' without any fear and favor
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Albertaghost: However,they say that "either you are with us or against us...and if you don't meet our 'demands', we will bomb the hell out of you"
So, terrorists are patriots then according to Mnowsas definition.
So, terrorists are patriots then according to Mnowsas definition.
Well one could also say - - - - for "you" they are terrorists, for the people they fight for, they are "patriots" - - - When one is fighting for "freedom" one has to do it the way one can - - - - By this even for example in WW II Resistance fighters could be called Terrorists, by the Germans - - - thou by their own countrymen they are called Patriots - - -
Who are Terrorist ?
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54xmax: Well one could also say - - - - for "you" they are terrorists, for the people they fight for, they are "patriots" - - - When one is fighting for "freedom" one has to do it the way one can - - - - By this even for example in WW II Resistance fighters could be called Terrorists, by the Germans - - - thou by their own countrymen they are called Patriots - - -
Who are Terrorist ?
Who are Terrorist ?
Nice try but terrorism is a method of warfare, not a theology. Those who employ it attempt to further a cause. Inthe case of Jihadist terrorists, they are attempting to further Qutbism which, if you research it at all, is not particular to a country or peoples and, is not dsigned to free or resist but rather force capitualation from the target nation by separating the government from the tax base by sowing civil unrest among the people, the vast majority of which have no desire to embrace the Qutbist theology.
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Albertaghost: Nice try but terrorism is a method of warfare, not a theology. Those who employ it attempt to further a cause. Inthe case of Jihadist terrorists, they are attempting to further Qutbism which, if you research it at all, is not particular to a country or peoples and, is not dsigned to free or resist but rather force capitualation from the target nation by separating the government from the tax base by sowing civil unrest among the people, the vast majority of which have no desire to embrace the Qutbist theology.
I know what Terrorism is
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54xmax:
Who are Terrorist ?
Who are Terrorist ?
Those who employ terrorism as defined by a well accepted definition.
The FBI defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.”
So, using the definition above, we can extrapolate that Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization as it uses unlawful violence but the US military is not as it moves with UN endorsement and, is no attempting to intimidate a government but rather use brute military force to move military forces into a postiion where politics may ensue. Big difference.
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Albertaghost: Those who employ terrorism as defined by a well accepted definition.
The FBI defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.”
So, using the definition above, we can extrapolate that Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization as it uses unlawful violence but the US military is not as it moves with UN endorsement and, is no attempting to intimidate a government but rather use brute military force to move military forces into a postiion where politics may ensue. Big difference.
The FBI defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.”
So, using the definition above, we can extrapolate that Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization as it uses unlawful violence but the US military is not as it moves with UN endorsement and, is no attempting to intimidate a government but rather use brute military force to move military forces into a postiion where politics may ensue. Big difference.
Yes of course big difference - - - - between Terrorists and US Policy - - -
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54xmax: I know what Terrorism is Tactics implemented by people that often are actually cowards in my book - - - cos targeting Civilians is the easiest thing to do
So then why do you equate them to patriots and freedom fighters then?
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54xmax: Yes of course big difference - - - - between Terrorists and US Policy - - -
Exactly. So why on earth do you say that our view of terrorists is different than yours? I mean, we both define them the same way and agree they don't fight for the people at all so why is it that you seem to feel that the US sees terrorists differently than you do?
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Albertaghost: So then why do you equate them to patriots and freedom fighters then?
You miss understood me completely - - - - What I was saying that sometimes one can say for example, when your country is being occupied ( For example France during WW II, resistance was fighting Germans - - - and for example - - - Resistance fighters were for French people, freedom fighters, patriots, and for Germans they were Terrorists - at that time the term was "bandits" ) - - - - that's what I am saying
So for some people Terrorists
For others Patriots
Depending on which side you are on
I am not relating to current political situation I got my opinion of it and it definitely is not like yours and we'd get in to a big argument about it anyway - - - -
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54xmax: You miss understood me completely - - - - What I was saying that sometimes one can say for example, when your country is being occupied ( For example France during WW II, resistance was fighting Germans - - - and for example - - - Resistance fighters were for French people, freedom fighters, patriots, and for Germans they were Terrorists - at that time the term was "bandits" ) - - - - that's what I am saying
So for some people Terrorists
For others Patriots
Depending on which side you are on
I am not relating to current political situation I got my opinion of it and it definitely is not like yours and we'd get in to a big argument about it anyway - - - -
So for some people Terrorists
For others Patriots
Depending on which side you are on
I am not relating to current political situation I got my opinion of it and it definitely is not like yours and we'd get in to a big argument about it anyway - - - -
No you can't. Terrorists attack civillians. If one is attacking a military target then you are either an insurgent, a guerrilla or a military force.
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54xmax: You miss understood me completely - - - - What I was saying that sometimes one can say for example, when your country is being occupied ( For example France during WW II, resistance was fighting Germans - - - and for example - - - Resistance fighters were for French people, freedom fighters, patriots, and for Germans they were Terrorists - at that time the term was "bandits" ) - - - - that's what I am saying
So for some people Terrorists
For others Patriots
Depending on which side you are on
I am not relating to current political situation I got my opinion of it and it definitely is not like yours and we'd get in to a big argument about it anyway - - - -
I have to agree with you.You and Albert view it differantly,as do those fighting on opposing sides.So for some people Terrorists
For others Patriots
Depending on which side you are on
I am not relating to current political situation I got my opinion of it and it definitely is not like yours and we'd get in to a big argument about it anyway - - - -
If i was fighting for a cause,i would consider myself a freedom fighter,but to many others,i would be a terrorist,but i would never call myself a terrorist.
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There was a time when I was that proud to be from USA.....and in the last ten years that changed some when I listened to people's perspectives from other countries in my travels