Bin Laden hit team troops shot out of sky by Taliban (68)
Brave men going into harms way....sometimes it does not go good.
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Wow_Factor: More than 20 US Navy Seals from the elite unit that killed Osama Bin Laden have died after their helicopter was shot down by insurgents in Afghanistan.
They were among 31 American Special Forces troops and seven Afghan soldiers who were killed when a rocket-propelled grenade destroyed their Chinook helicopter.
They were among 31 American Special Forces troops and seven Afghan soldiers who were killed when a rocket-propelled grenade destroyed their Chinook helicopter.
Although I do have a son in the Army my heart does out to the families for thier great lose.But and here comes the but..I don't feel our country should be policing the world.
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Hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate 
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Ccincy: Although I do have a son in the Army my heart does out to the families for thier great lose.But and here comes the but..I don't feel our country should be policing the world.
Agreed. Best to take out those who have harbored elements that attacked us and ensure those same enemies don't take power again.
Sterling_Wollops: Hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate
Exactly. This is the clearest rationale for taking action that I have ever read. The Taliban must never be permitted to return top power and, same goes for groups like Al Qaeda and Hamas as all they wish to do is propagate hatred.
Thank you.
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Wow_Factor: More than 20 US Navy Seals from the elite unit that killed Osama Bin Laden have died after their helicopter was shot down by insurgents in Afghanistan.
They were among 31 American Special Forces troops and seven Afghan soldiers who were killed when a rocket-propelled grenade destroyed their Chinook helicopter.
They were among 31 American Special Forces troops and seven Afghan soldiers who were killed when a rocket-propelled grenade destroyed their Chinook helicopter.
This has been on tv all day and is very, very sad.
They were part of the unit that Seal Team 6 was from. They were NOT the same Seals that killed bin Laden.
From what I heard, there were 22 Seals killed.
The Taliban knows that a Chinook helicopter was used in the raid on bin Laden. They were hopefull that the Seals that killed bin Laden were in that helicopter that they shot down. Chinook helicopters move slowly and aren't like Black Hawk helicopters so the Taliban had an easy target.
This was the largest loss of troops in the 10 years since the war began.
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I agree the Taliban are a bunch of lunatics who engaged in complete stupidity and the Afghanistan insurgents that shot your folks down being forces who hold an opposing agenda to that of the NATO ground forces engaged in the conflict.
For Allied forces to think they are righteous in using violence in an attempt to change the karma of people born with the karma of killing and being killed is just plain stupidity. Mankind has been trying that sort of venture for a long long time and at the end the karma's of killing and being killed will continue
For Allied forces to think they are righteous in using violence in an attempt to change the karma of people born with the karma of killing and being killed is just plain stupidity. Mankind has been trying that sort of venture for a long long time and at the end the karma's of killing and being killed will continue
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robplum:
For Allied forces to think they are righteous in using violence in an attempt to change the karma of people born with the karma of killing and being killed is just plain stupidity.
For Allied forces to think they are righteous in using violence in an attempt to change the karma of people born with the karma of killing and being killed is just plain stupidity.
It seemed to work in other conflicts where there was similar problems.
robplum: Mankind has been trying that sort of venture for a long long time and at the end the karma's of killing and being killed will continue
As far as I know this sort of venture has not been attempted until recent times and, when full effort is put into it the results were great as in Germany, Japan etc. I would ask when regime change and then allowing the people to decide for themselves was used in prior centuries but know that it was not. For the simple reason that there were no democratic countries for the most part until recent times.
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Albertaghost: It seemed to work in other conflicts where there was similar problems.
As far as I know this sort of venture has not been attempted until recent times and, when full effort is put into it the results were great as in Germany, Japan etc. I would ask when regime change and then allowing the people to decide for themselves was used in prior centuries but know that it was not. For the simple reason that there were no democratic countries for the most part until recent times.
As far as I know this sort of venture has not been attempted until recent times and, when full effort is put into it the results were great as in Germany, Japan etc. I would ask when regime change and then allowing the people to decide for themselves was used in prior centuries but know that it was not. For the simple reason that there were no democratic countries for the most part until recent times.
Oh i dunno, i think its really sad to see troops being killed like that.
But if you look at Iraq, its every bit as bad as under Hussein, now the Sunni in Syria are trying to overthrow the Shi'ite there. And although i understand its not your belief, i believe those troops killed are taking rebirth (by karma)in Afghanistan. By karma i believe they will take rebirth alongside those having the karmas of engaging in killing and being killed.
I understand others might disagree with a Buddhist view, however i am very concerned that people are grieving, including in this thread, and its still going on and on. Its not possible to arrest the karmas of others using violence as you suggest. You can debate otherwise however i can only say i firmly believe cause and effect is certain and energy cannot be lost, will charge but never lost.
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robplum: Oh i dunno, i think its really sad to see troops being killed like that.
Pretty much all death is sad Rob.
robplum:
But if you look at Iraq, its every bit as bad as under Hussein, now the Sunni in Syria are trying to overthrow the Shi'ite there.
But if you look at Iraq, its every bit as bad as under Hussein, now the Sunni in Syria are trying to overthrow the Shi'ite there.
You obviously don't know what Saddam was like and, the horror he was responsible for in the deaths of over a million people with no end in sight through his sons then.
robplum: And although i understand its not your belief, i believe those troops killed are taking rebirth (by karma)in Afghanistan. By karma i believe they will take rebirth alongside those having the karmas of engaging in killing and being killed.
Of course you wouldn't know this as fact just as I couldn't prove they're getting loaded with mead while signing in Vallhalla beside Odin and Thor.
robplum: I understand others might disagree with a Buddhist view, however i am very concerned that people are grieving, including in this thread, and its still going on and on.
I agree.
robplum: Its not possible to arrest the karmas of others using violence as you suggest.
I proved you wrong by citing examples where it has worked when given full resources and you have yet to provide one where it has not so for you to make that statement and expect others to believe it based on your word is silly.
robplum: You can debate otherwise however i can only say i firmly believe cause and effect is certain and energy cannot be lost, will charge but never lost.
Well, I suppose that the roads, schools, hospitals and desire for stability etc are positive. However you feel it is wrong to protect them so, on this, we disagree.
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robplum: I agree the Taliban are a bunch of lunatics who engaged in complete stupidity and the Afghanistan insurgents that shot your folks down being forces who hold an opposing agenda to that of the NATO ground forces engaged in the conflict.
For Allied forces to think they are righteous in using violence in an attempt to change the karma of people born with the karma of killing and being killed is just plain stupidity. Mankind has been trying that sort of venture for a long long time and at the end the karma's of killing and being killed will continue
so what you're saying is,that we ought to let Killers kill?For Allied forces to think they are righteous in using violence in an attempt to change the karma of people born with the karma of killing and being killed is just plain stupidity. Mankind has been trying that sort of venture for a long long time and at the end the karma's of killing and being killed will continue
Let Evil go unchecked?
Let People like the Taliban,Saddam,etc running rampant,just so they can fulfill their Karma?
What kind of a Creed is that?
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Wow_Factor: More than 20 US Navy Seals from the elite unit that killed Osama Bin Laden have died after their helicopter was shot down by insurgents in Afghanistan.
They were among 31 American Special Forces troops and seven Afghan soldiers who were killed when a rocket-propelled grenade destroyed their Chinook helicopter.
They were among 31 American Special Forces troops and seven Afghan soldiers who were killed when a rocket-propelled grenade destroyed their Chinook helicopter.
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Conrad73: so what you're saying is,that we ought to let Killers kill?
Let Evil go unchecked?
Let People like the Taliban,Saddam,etc running rampant,just so they can fulfill their Karma?
What kind of a Creed is that?
Let Evil go unchecked?
Let People like the Taliban,Saddam,etc running rampant,just so they can fulfill their Karma?
What kind of a Creed is that?
I believe engaging in violence leads to more violence, that a conflict was started in 1991, that a bunch lunatics took as a war against all of Islam. None of can say would otherwise would have occurred had Hussein continued on.
Sentient Being\People, make karma by there activities and when the seeds ripen the karma's will appear. What you are saying to my mind Conrad, its alright to harshly judge the karma that others experience and engaging in a like sort of karma to combat that.
I believe that, that sort of response creates seeds furthering the same karma.
Just lets say for hundred and hundreds of years Buddhist like the Dalai Lama could be right and know what they are talking about, my interpretation is they are saying all sentient beings, including humans, create the seeds of there tomorrows by the actions of body speech and mind. That once the karma's have been created it is certain that the experience (bound up in time this life or next life) will follow.
War after war, certainly throughout my whole life and that of my father also has changed nothing, they are still sending sons and daughters off to war and i think its time they listened to the views of others who disagree with that. To just poo-whoo a view that's been around lot longer than believe in one god story-line i think is not constructive. I am not qualified to teach the Dharma but you could if inclined search out a qualified person in your neighborhood and closely examine the school of thought, Lam Rim
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robplum: I believe engaging in violence leads to more violence, that a conflict was started in 1991, that a bunch lunatics took as a war against all of Islam. None of can say would otherwise would have occurred had Hussein continued on.
Sentient Being\People, make karma by there activities and when the seeds ripen the karma's will appear. What you are saying to my mind Conrad, its alright to harshly judge the karma that others experience and engaging in a like sort of karma to combat that.
I believe that, that sort of response creates seeds furthering the same karma.
Just lets say for hundred and hundreds of years Buddhist like the Dalai Lama could be right and know what they are talking about, my interpretation is they are saying all sentient beings, including humans, create the seeds of there tomorrows by the actions of body speech and mind. That once the karma's have been created it is certain that the experience (bound up in time this life or next life) will follow.
War after war, certainly throughout my whole life and that of my father also has changed nothing, they are still sending sons and daughters off to war and i think its time they listened to the views of others who disagree with that. To just poo-whoo a view that's been around lot longer than believe in one god story-line i think is not constructive. I am not qualified to teach the Dharma but you could if inclined search out a qualified person in your neighborhood and closely examine the school of thought, Lam Rim
and you wonder why there is so much unchecked evil in this world!Sentient Being\People, make karma by there activities and when the seeds ripen the karma's will appear. What you are saying to my mind Conrad, its alright to harshly judge the karma that others experience and engaging in a like sort of karma to combat that.
I believe that, that sort of response creates seeds furthering the same karma.
Just lets say for hundred and hundreds of years Buddhist like the Dalai Lama could be right and know what they are talking about, my interpretation is they are saying all sentient beings, including humans, create the seeds of there tomorrows by the actions of body speech and mind. That once the karma's have been created it is certain that the experience (bound up in time this life or next life) will follow.
War after war, certainly throughout my whole life and that of my father also has changed nothing, they are still sending sons and daughters off to war and i think its time they listened to the views of others who disagree with that. To just poo-whoo a view that's been around lot longer than believe in one god story-line i think is not constructive. I am not qualified to teach the Dharma but you could if inclined search out a qualified person in your neighborhood and closely examine the school of thought, Lam Rim
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I had an opportunity to suggest to Australian government just prior to the intervention in Afghanistan that they could choose to or choose not to continue giving charity in feeding the Taliban's children.
However America, Britain and Australia chose instead to drop thousands of tons of bombs on Afghanistan including on the children they gave food charity to...
Pretty un-Buddhist but to my thinking would have been better than war
However America, Britain and Australia chose instead to drop thousands of tons of bombs on Afghanistan including on the children they gave food charity to...
Pretty un-Buddhist but to my thinking would have been better than war
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Conrad73: and you wonder why there is so much unchecked evil in this world!
No you wonder why, feeding the children of America the karma's of rebirth as an Afghanistan, or other birth place where the karma they sow are being played out is why it can never be checked.
you got the wrong way round Conrad
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robplum: I believe engaging in violence leads to more violence,
So then why the hell are you on an English forum rather than one of those extremist sites telling everybody how Qutbism is wrong and not the path to Allah?
robplum: that a conflict was started in 1991, that a bunch lunatics took as a war against all of Islam.
Gee, guess you must have not gotten the same memo as the rest of the Muslim world that the enemy is extremists and two actions to stop aggressor nations such as Iraq and Afghanistan were backed by Muslim countries as well.
wars started by Muslim countries None of can say would otherwise would have occurred had Hussein continued on.
I can as can the rest of the world who pays attention which you obviously don't. He admitted n debriefings that his intent was to reconstitute his WMD programs for the sole purpose of continuing as he had up to his misadventure in Kuwait.
robplum: Sentient BeingPeople, make karma by there activities and when the seeds ripen the karma's will appear. What you are saying to my mind Conrad, its alright to harshly judge the karma that others experience and engaging in a like sort of karma to combat that.
I believe that, that sort of response creates seeds furthering the same karma.
Just lets say for hundred and hundreds of years Buddhist like the Dalai Lama could be right and know what they are talking about, my interpretation is they are saying all sentient beings, including humans, create the seeds of there tomorrows by the actions of body speech and mind. That once the karma's have been created it is certain that the experience (bound up in time this life or next life) will follow.
War after war, certainly throughout my whole life and that of my father also has changed nothing, they are still sending sons and daughters off to war and i think its time they listened to the views of others who disagree with that. To just poo-whoo a view that's been around lot longer than believe in one god story-line i think is not constructive. I am not qualified to teach the Dharma but you could if inclined search out a qualified person in your neighborhood and closely examine the school of thought, Lam Rim
I believe that, that sort of response creates seeds furthering the same karma.
Just lets say for hundred and hundreds of years Buddhist like the Dalai Lama could be right and know what they are talking about, my interpretation is they are saying all sentient beings, including humans, create the seeds of there tomorrows by the actions of body speech and mind. That once the karma's have been created it is certain that the experience (bound up in time this life or next life) will follow.
War after war, certainly throughout my whole life and that of my father also has changed nothing, they are still sending sons and daughters off to war and i think its time they listened to the views of others who disagree with that. To just poo-whoo a view that's been around lot longer than believe in one god story-line i think is not constructive. I am not qualified to teach the Dharma but you could if inclined search out a qualified person in your neighborhood and closely examine the school of thought, Lam Rim
I think that actually working with people of peace is a good idea as they wish the extremists to be taken care of by any means possible. And, none of them believe violent radicals can be negotiated with so why do you?
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robplum: No you wonder why, feeding the children of America the karma's of rebirth as an Afghanistan, or other birth place where the karma they sow are being played out is why it can never be checked.
you got the wrong way round Conrad
Nope,Pacifism never was the answer against aggression!you got the wrong way round Conrad
So you actually believe I must let myself get slaughtered,just so someone can fulfill their Karma?
Get real,Mister!
So actually you are saying that those Kids had it coming!
And you're decrying evil?
What sort of an Anti-Life Philosophy are you proposing?
"We sleep soundly in our beds because men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm"
- George Orwell -Eric Blair-
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They were among 31 American Special Forces troops and seven Afghan soldiers who were killed when a rocket-propelled grenade destroyed their Chinook helicopter.