leigh2154: Yes and yes again!!...Joel and I (please don't be mad at me Joel!) have weathered a storm or two in our experience with "Love Online" and I hope, truth!!, we never come to blows and always stay connected....Our situation was more about timing than lack of feelings and I like to think that meeting Joel was supposed to happen and that both of us are better peeps for having met....He is a unique man and he is my friend....I hope he feels the same about me......
Well said and you know I wish you both well.
And I 200% agree with you that indeed Joel is Unique
vinny1967: That I agree with............I just disagree with causing it unnecessarily Gra.
IMO GG should not have this extra burden.
i think i agree...well hell, i know i agree....love can be a crazy thing sometimes...but when someone you love is carrying a heavy burden you have to put your own feelings aside...no matter how hard it may be...and try to think of the others burden...after all, that's just a part of love too...
jlw45: i think i agree...well hell, i know i agree....love can be a crazy thing sometimes...but when someone you love is carrying a heavy burden you have to put your own feelings aside...no matter how hard it may be...and try to think of the others burden...after all, that's just a part of love too...
Would this be a good time to say THANK YOU Joel?....You have been a godsend to me during this "trying" time with daddy.....I do appreciate you...
jlw45: i think i agree...well hell, i know i agree....love can be a crazy thing sometimes...but when someone you love is carrying a heavy burden you have to put your own feelings aside...no matter how hard it may be...and try to think of the others burden...after all, that's just a part of love too...
Love and rationality can be strange bed fellows.
Out of here as I dont want to add more to this thread.
leigh2154: Would this be a good time to say THANK YOU Joel?....You have been a godsend to me during this "trying" time with daddy.....I do appreciate you...
no thanks needed...or expected or anything else...i can do very little, being so far away...but i've been there, not too long ago...and i understand and know it all too well...but you don't have to say thank you to me...or sorry either
plainlyjune: good post as always. the ambivalence one or both of the individuals in a virtual love is never ending. the critical point is just to brave it up and take a step forward instead of being suspended in a virtual euphoria of a relationship. keep the pockets and bank accounts full, pack your bags and travel.
Thanks, June. I like your advice about keeping bank accounts full!
I figured something went a miss but never asked cause it was not my place. Joel and I have known each other here for awhile and I adore him. I respect Leigh on the forums (even though we had a bumpy start and a slight misunderstanding). I just want to tell you both how relieved I am that you both are on good terms. I am so proud of how you conduct yourselves and if it didn't work romantically I can definitely see why you two would remain friends. Love you both.
venusenvy: I didnt think there was an agenda behind it...I just answered in kind.
I don't think there was an agenda either. I just think J needs to converse about his hurt in order to heal. I don't think anything horrible about GG was said, but I may have missed some bits. If someone started a thread that I thought was about me, I wouldn't even respond to it because it just draws the attention to the fact it's about me. Plus, it just adds fuel to the fire. Makes me wonder if things here are really done or if we just have two individuals who are hurt and at a standoff. Either way, I wish you both happiness and healing.
I hope I didn't offend anyone because I adore you both.
leigh2154: You do make a valid point Vin...If Ambrose really loved/loves GG, I would think he'd acquiesce......And it is very sad Vin......
Well, the "if a person really loved this other person, they would do such and such..." is a question I've played with myself many times over the last few months. One person might say, "If you loved me enough, you'd be patient," and the other person might reply, "If you loved me enough you'd make up your mind." Whose behavior is more loving or unloving in these circumstances, V?
One moment I'm talking to someone I consider to be the love of my life (however self-deludedly) in a perfectly reasonable manner (no argument at all being presented to my words), and the next moment...SILENCE. Irrevocable silence, without possibility of reprieve, without possibility of closure. It seems to me, knowing that I had a very reasonable position and that I behaved perfectly politely during that final discussion, that someone who actually loved me would never do what was done. I see no motivation for it except the desire to punish.
My threads have not been about punishing anyone. They've been about trying to achieve understanding - with some complaining on the side. They've been about many, many other people besides myself.
I want to respect the request - to acquiesce - but I also want to retain the right to discuss issues that are meaningful to me. Right now I could talk about the weather being bad and people would probably see that as an allegorical reference to my relationship.
Anyway, as I wrote earlier, I plan to write as abstractly as possible without references to a specific person. That's the respect that I think is due, and I want to honor that. I don't think it's fair, however, particularly considering the circumstances, for me to be asked to do more than that - to in effect shut up because someone might be uncomfortable with my reflections. That's like asking me to stop being myself.
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