Put them all down (91)

Aug 17, 2011 4:44 PM CST Put them all down
daggyone
daggyonedaggyoneWonthaggi, Victoria Australia143 Threads 14 Polls 1,963 Posts
Pit Bulls, they're not meant to be in urban areas.
They should only be allowed to be where they were designed to be - out hunting wild pigs and locking their jaws onto the jugular.
Not onto the neck of a 4 yo kid very mad
Any animal lovers out there who say it's the owners fault and that they should be put down deserve to be shot.
These animals are bred killers, no dancing around the subject, the sooner they are out of urbanised areas, the safer we will be and our pets.
I remember when young the fear I felt when one locked it's jaw on our Jack Russell, dad kept whacking the pit bulls head with a shovel and it still would release our dog from its grip.
Needless to say our dog died soon after the event. very mad
Aug 17, 2011 5:27 PM CST Put them all down
Shell225
Shell225Shell225Brisbane, Queensland Australia26 Threads 8,572 Posts
Daggy I thought that they had been banned, and people werent allowed to have them in Australia.

I agree all dangerous dogs need to be destroyed. Its apparent from recent years and the number of attacks that this particular breed is responsible for, that they HAVE TO BE BANNED. Perhaps whats most distressing is the severity of this breeds attacks.

Its not Okay for animal owners to blame the 'irresponsible' owner and say that their pit bull is fine.. its just seems that isnt the case.

Saddest of all is the undeniable fact that CHILDREN are most at risk of dog attacks. Below is an Australian Fact Sheet (Im not sure of the publication date) showing the most incidences of attacks, interestingly is after 'unknown' our Blue Heelers rate second highest!!!!

Aug 17, 2011 5:28 PM CST Put them all down
Faithe
FaitheFaithePortland, Victoria Australia5 Threads 4,169 Posts
daggyone: Pit Bulls, they're not meant to be in urban areas.
They should only be allowed to be where they were designed to be - out hunting wild pigs and locking their jaws onto the jugular.
Not onto the neck of a 4 yo kid
Any animal lovers out there who say it's the owners fault and that they should be put down deserve to be shot.
These animals are bred killers, no dancing around the subject, the sooner they are out of urbanised areas, the safer we will be and our pets.
I remember when young the fear I felt when one locked it's jaw on our Jack Russell, dad kept whacking the pit bulls head with a shovel and it still would release our dog from its grip.
Needless to say our dog died soon after the event.


Thier are two major problems with Pit Bulls, the first one is careless owners who dont keep them under control at all times and the second one is they have had the instinct to kill bred into them. They are absolutley no good as back yard pets and shouldnt even be kept for hunting either due to what can happen when they escape as we have sadly seen in this case.
They are supposedly now a banned breed and it is illegal to breed them now, the idea being that would slowly die out as a breed but they are still being bred, the people who breed them just call them a different breed. The dead give away is when they advertize them as having jeep lines in thier breeding or they call them red dogs.
I am an animal lover and it is very rare for me to say this type of thing of any breed of dog. Ive always said blame the deed and the breed but in this case l cant, they were bred for a purpose and the instinct is so strong in them that they are just to dangerous. Yes some owners say but my dog would never do that but the capability is thier and the natural instinct can come out without any warning.
Aug 17, 2011 5:43 PM CST Put them all down
Faithe
FaitheFaithePortland, Victoria Australia5 Threads 4,169 Posts
Shell225: Daggy I thought that they had been banned, and people werent allowed to have them in Australia.

I agree all dangerous dogs need to be destroyed. Its apparent from recent years and the number of attacks that this particular breed is responsible for, that they HAVE TO BE BANNED. Perhaps whats most distressing is the severity of this breeds attacks.

Its not Okay for animal owners to blame the 'irresponsible' owner and say that their pit bull is fine.. its just seems that isnt the case.

Saddest of all is the undeniable fact that CHILDREN are most at risk of dog attacks. Below is an Australian Fact Sheet (Im not sure of the publication date) showing the most incidences of attacks, interestingly is after 'unknown' our Blue Heelers rate second highest!!!!



Yes shell sadly it is children who are most vunrable to dog attacks and its mostly due to the fact that dogs dont see children as being above them in the " family pack" therefore if the the child does something that the dog sees as stepping above it place in the pack they treat them the same as they would another dog and punish them, the child screams which causes the dog to attack harder. Its not like a puppy would react they would submit and the dog stops. The problem is most people expect thier dogs to act like humans and they cant, they are a dog and thier instinct to be part of a pack has never left them, us humans have become thier pack.
Children should never be left alone with any breed of dog, they should be taught never to approach a dog with out the owners permission, never pat the dog along the top of the body or the head, they see that as a form of dominence and never make eye contact with a dog.
Aug 17, 2011 9:28 PM CST Put them all down
daggyone
daggyonedaggyoneWonthaggi, Victoria Australia143 Threads 14 Polls 1,963 Posts
Faithe: Yes shell sadly it is children who are most vunrable to dog attacks and its mostly due to the fact that dogs dont see children as being above them in the " family pack" therefore if the the child does something that the dog sees as stepping above it place in the pack they treat them the same as they would another dog and punish them, the child screams which causes the dog to attack harder. Its not like a puppy would react they would submit and the dog stops. The problem is most people expect thier dogs to act like humans and they cant, they are a dog and thier instinct to be part of a pack has never left them, us humans have become thier pack.
Children should never be left alone with any breed of dog, they should be taught never to approach a dog with out the owners permission, never pat the dog along the top of the body or the head, they see that as a form of dominence and never make eye contact with a dog.
t|his dog wasn't approached, it came into the girls home after escaping from its owners yard.
Girls seem to be attacked morso than boys.
It was a cross bred pit bull, apparently it's the only way to own them other than on the black market or if you owned one before the ban came in.
Aug 17, 2011 9:45 PM CST Put them all down
Faithe
FaitheFaithePortland, Victoria Australia5 Threads 4,169 Posts
daggyone: t|his dog wasn't approached, it came into the girls home after escaping from its owners yard.
Girls seem to be attacked morso than boys.
It was a cross bred pit bull, apparently it's the only way to own them other than on the black market or if you owned one before the ban came in.


Yes lm aware this dog wasnt approached, l was just giving some saftey tips when dealing with dogs. I think girls are attacked for often as they are more inclined to scream when they feel scared which encourages the dog to attack as they sound like a scared animal and they become prey to these aggressive dogs.

They still are definatley breeding them, they just advertise smartly or sell them on the black market.
Aug 17, 2011 9:51 PM CST Put them all down
tonyxf
tonyxftonyxfwerribee, Victoria Australia2 Threads 4,525 Posts
daggyone: Trust our pollies, as usual, must be a claytons ban.
It was a cross bred pit bull, apparently it's the only way to own them other than on the black market or if you owned one before the ban came in.
Aug 17, 2011 9:56 PM CST Put them all down
scanz
scanzscanzShepprton & Darwin, Victoria Australia42 Threads 4 Polls 127 Posts
sory do,nt agree on this one. Have a look at stats on dog attacks border collies are number 3 on the list and kelpies are not far behind them. Freinds of mine have owned pitbulls that where bought from a breeder and there parents where family pets, all the pups where sold to familys as they where breeding the agreesion out of the dog. Any animal that is treated right wont show aggression unless you provoke it.
Aug 17, 2011 10:03 PM CST Put them all down
scanz
scanzscanzShepprton & Darwin, Victoria Australia42 Threads 4 Polls 127 Posts
half the problem is the mentality of the owners more than the dog,
Aug 17, 2011 10:05 PM CST Put them all down
Faithe
FaitheFaithePortland, Victoria Australia5 Threads 4,169 Posts
scanz: sory do,nt agree on this one. Have a look at stats on dog attacks border collies are number 3 on the list and kelpies are not far behind them. Freinds of mine have owned pitbulls that where bought from a breeder and there parents where family pets, all the pups where sold to familys as they where breeding the agreesion out of the dog. Any animal that is treated right wont show aggression unless you provoke it.


Every dog breed was created to serve a purpose, pit bulls were created to fight and kill. The instict is stronger in some pit bulls than others. The main problem with the pit bull is if something is done to provoke as you put it the dogs natural instinct kicks in and they have the strength to a lot of damage or even kill. Every dog is capable of biting if treated the wrong way but they all dont have the strength or the ability of the pit bull or the instinct to kill that has been bred into this breed.
Aug 17, 2011 10:07 PM CST Put them all down
Shell225
Shell225Shell225Brisbane, Queensland Australia26 Threads 8,572 Posts
scanz: sory do,nt agree on this one. Have a look at stats on dog attacks border collies are number 3 on the list and kelpies are not far behind them. Freinds of mine have owned pitbulls that where bought from a breeder and there parents where family pets, all the pups where sold to familys as they where breeding the agreesion out of the dog. Any animal that is treated right wont show aggression unless you provoke it.


One of the things that I noticed from that list, was that the known biters, seem to all be working dogs. So perhaps its more about the fact that working dogs dont do well sitting in a backyard bored out of their brains, waiting for little Johnny to get home and throw a ball for 5 minutes. dunno

Why is it the major dog attacks that we are informed about seem to be Pitbulls?

Is it because its a pitbull that it makes the news? or is it because when a pitbull attacks it pulls out all the stops and ends up doing tremendous damage. I mean we dont read about the local bluey or kelpie killing anyone or causing major damage when it goes rank.

Im not being argumentative .... Im just wondering if its sensationalism or if they just cause more damage?


for the record the most agressive and dumped dog in 2003 ???? the maltese terrier.... or is that terror!!!! wow (per burkesbackyard)
Aug 17, 2011 10:13 PM CST Put them all down
Faithe
FaitheFaithePortland, Victoria Australia5 Threads 4,169 Posts
Shell225: One of the things that I noticed from that list, was that the known biters, seem to all be working dogs. So perhaps its more about the fact that working dogs dont do well sitting in a backyard bored out of their brains, waiting for little Johnny to get home and throw a ball for 5 minutes.

Why is it the major dog attacks that we are informed about seem to be Pitbulls?

Is it because its a pitbull that it makes the news? or is it because when a pitbull attacks it pulls out all the stops and ends up doing tremendous damage. I mean we dont read about the local bluey or kelpie killing anyone or causing major damage when it goes rank.

Im not being argumentative .... Im just wondering if its sensationalism or if they just cause more damage? for the record the most agressive and dumped dog in 2003 ???? the maltese terrier.... or is that terror!!!! (per burkesbackyard)


Yes little dogs are usually more aggressive, especially anything with terrier at the end of its name. Its the size and the strength and the damage that pit bulls do thats gets thier attacks noticed by the media.
And working dogs who still have a strong working instinct try to herd anything and everything including humans and your average working dogs nip at livestock to make them move.This is the main cause of bites from working dogs.
Aug 17, 2011 10:43 PM CST Put them all down
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
I agree, working dogs have to work,and Pit Bulls or crosses cannot be allowed here.

The safe breeds are Retrievers and many of the gun dog breeds.Of course it also gets back to the responsible owners and breeders,mixed breeds can be wonderful....but its a good idea to have some knowledge of what the mix is if you have children.

My Golden Retriever Shane is unbelievable so gentle and intellegent.

But my two Clumber Spaniels can be somewhat grumpy.

Dogs are as diverse as we humans and change alongside us through the ages.dunno
Aug 17, 2011 10:55 PM CST Put them all down
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
Martia: I agree, working dogs have to work,and Pit Bulls or crosses cannot be allowed here.

The safe breeds are Retrievers and many of the gun dog breeds.Of course it also gets back to the responsible owners and breeders,mixed breeds can be wonderful....but its a good idea to have some knowledge of what the mix is if you have children.

My Golden Retriever Shane is unbelievable so gentle and intellegent.

But my two Clumber Spaniels can be somewhat grumpy.

Dogs are as diverse as we humans and change alongside us through the ages.



And with age too .. grumpy old man comes to mind with my fella laugh
Aug 17, 2011 11:11 PM CST Put them all down
Twodawgz
TwodawgzTwodawgzmelbourne, Victoria Australia4 Threads 4,009 Posts
Im a loving gentle playful dawg.. grin
Aug 17, 2011 11:14 PM CST Put them all down
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
Twodawgz: Im a loving gentle playful dawg..



Roll over then roll eyes


laugh
Aug 17, 2011 11:51 PM CST Put them all down
Shell225
Shell225Shell225Brisbane, Queensland Australia26 Threads 8,572 Posts
Twodawgz: Im a loving gentle playful dawg..
teddybear Growler
Aug 18, 2011 12:22 AM CST Put them all down
daggyone
daggyonedaggyoneWonthaggi, Victoria Australia143 Threads 14 Polls 1,963 Posts
Yeah a Blue Healer or Border Collie just snap rather than lock on with the pressure of a Tassie Devil and don't let go like a bit bull does.
Aug 18, 2011 1:41 AM CST Put them all down
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
chiwawas are the most aggressive dogs on this planet. very mad
Aug 18, 2011 1:50 AM CST Put them all down
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
Any dog breed has the potential to be violent, no matter what the size. But the smaller breeds tend not to have the strength to do as much damage.

Pit Bulls can be placid in the family environment, but take them away from their normal environment, away from their family, or worse still threaten their family in some way and they will attack, and as they are bred to not release they do a hell of a lot of damage in their powerful jaws. And for small childrens heads or necks it is a deadly combo sadly.

There seems to be a culture that if you have a "tough" dog it means you cant be argued with, that the owner is tough, but in reality it is usually the opposite case. And sadly the lack of courage in the owner is reflected in the training of the dog.

I dont agree with Pit Bills being in our society, and while they are, either legally or illegally, there will be more attacks

JMO
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