The conquerors (25)

Aug 23, 2011 7:06 AM CST The conquerors
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
Reading through the profiles I seem to see a lot of hope and strength. "Only contact me if you have left you baggage behind" and "We all have pasts", but we all look forward to the future. The baggage is pushed behind, trampled upon and buried as if never existed. We move on as if we are clean and strong - and victorious!...

But what is left behind is failure... We pretend it was a success and move into the next relationship with our inability to conquer, for we failed... and we repeat the experient again... and again... hoping that next time around it will be different... and the same approach will bring victory!

But we change nothing... it is the same us with the same weaknesses and frailties, with the same faults and intolerances... and though we hope that this time things will be certainly different and we will make it... we are already equipped to fail again... well before we enter another relationship....

Look at the photos of smiling faces... they will cry a few years on... the face full of hope turns dry and desolate... lifeless..., the smile fades away and tears trickle down the deepening wrinkles... but we get used to the pain and do it again... and again..., the same way in a never ending cycle with the hope that something will finally be different...

But what can be different?... Only the pain tolerance of others... for nothing ever changes... we remain the same... because nothing is ever our fault.
Aug 23, 2011 11:00 AM CST The conquerors
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
DONT DO THIS ........please.... we have all been where you are right now.There is another on this forum going through the same thing.....the difference is he is full of anger and he attacks and blames everyone and anyone but himself.

You! my sweet Rev...... you blame and attack yourself when you know in your heart you HAVE tried.Has it ever occurred to you that all you may be guilty of is looking at the outer package and not going any deeper until its too late!

I was married for many years,he was' when I met him so beautiful of face a body to match with the swagger to fit.

A photo to pass around to the ooh's and aah's of my workmates how lucky was I.
I was blind to the arrogance and meanness that sometimes comes with those who are blessed with those looks.

They mellow with age! I was told, I battled on..... after 25 years it was safe to say he didnt.

Looks fading ,losing hair and gaining weight....... the inevitable affair had to happen,HIM not me.

Midlife Crisis by the book, new aftershave new clothes.Dumb Dumb Dumb was I.

All those years not looking right or left but getting blamed for and punished for guys flirting with me....It was my fault 'not allowed to have a dance or talk by myself to any male.
Thought it was love.... but no I was his property know that now! but not then.

He left his little family when we so desperately needed him! too weak to be a Man,37 years married then gone...... without a backward look.For us 4 years in the wilderness,but we were strong we came through.For a while I dated the confident ...dare I say arrogant types.
Yup a glutton for punishment maybe.... but a learning curve in more ways than one.

I found my true love' or he found me! my gentle Academic a Teacher by profession but also a Mechanic a Farmer he is all of these things.No swagger' scared of height's.

What can I say! not my type ,he persuaded me I was wrong and he was right.

Rev I am a month away from 64 years.... you are still young! If I can find happiness you are an absolute shoe in.....you dont have to change! just look in the right or in your case' wrong places.
It will be alright if you want it to be....you just have have enough strength to want it enough.

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Aug 23, 2011 12:47 PM CST The conquerors
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
Martia: DONT DO THIS ........please.... we have all been where you are right now.There is another on this forum going through the same thing.....the difference is he is full of anger and he attacks and blames everyone and anyone but himself.

You! my sweet Rev...... you blame and attack yourself when you know in your heart you HAVE tried.Has it ever occurred to you that all you may be guilty of is looking at the outer package and not going any deeper until its too late!

I was married for many years,he was' when I met him so beautiful of face a body to match with the swagger to fit.

A photo to pass around to the ooh's and aah's of my workmates how lucky was I.
I was blind to the arrogance and meanness that sometimes comes with those who are blessed with those looks.

They mellow with age! I was told, I battled on..... after 25 years it was safe to say he didnt.

Looks fading ,losing hair and gaining weight....... the inevitable affair had to happen,HIM not me.

Midlife Crisis by the book, new aftershave new clothes.Dumb Dumb Dumb was I.

All those years not looking right or left but getting blamed for and punished for guys flirting with me....It was my fault 'not allowed to have a dance or talk by myself to any male.
Thought it was love.... but no I was his property know that now! but not then.

He left his little family when we so desperately needed him! too weak to be a Man,37 years married then gone...... without a backward look.For us 4 years in the wilderness,but we were strong we came through.For a while I dated the confident ...dare I say arrogant types.
Yup a glutton for punishment maybe.... but a learning curve in more ways than one.

I found my true love' or he found me! my gentle Academic a Teacher by profession but also a Mechanic a Farmer he is all of these things.No swagger' scared of height's.

What can I say! not my type ,he persuaded me I was wrong and he was right.

Rev I am a month away from 64 years.... you are still young! If I can find happiness you are an absolute shoe in.....you dont have to change! just look in the right or in your case' wrong places.
It will be alright if you want it to be....you just have have enough strength to want it enough.

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crying hug That was pretty cool. bouquet
Aug 23, 2011 3:05 PM CST The conquerors
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
Rev it seems that you might be in wound-licking mode, which is ok and perfectly natural after a relationship ends.

We examine ourselves, and them, ad nauseum and try to figure out where it all went wrong.

Takes two to tango, blame doesn't lay wholly at any one person's door, and anyway, what's the point in that?

It can be purely a case of growing apart, those needs and desires that we put on the backburner early in the relationship coming to the surface once again because they haven't been satisfied, or maybe it's a part of our personality that we had stifled for the sake of peace and harmony.

There are sometimes things that we can take away from relationships that have come to an end - maybe an insight into ourselves, some little thing that repeatedly trips us up that we can work on, for our own benefit and ultimately a future partner.

This may be what you refer to when you say we do it again and again, history repeating itself.

But it doesn't have to be like that, there will be other relationships for you when you have healed and they WILL be different as you'll meet someone who is looking for a person like you, who appreciates you for who you are, and you them.

And you can work on ironing out the wrinkles together, both having had life experiences, gaining knowledge along the way.

Be true to yourself, take care of those wounded bits, and it will happen for you when the time is right. wine
Aug 23, 2011 5:24 PM CST The conquerors
Shell225
Shell225Shell225Brisbane, Queensland Australia26 Threads 8,572 Posts
Rev, its pretty clear that you are in a tremendous amount of pain and grief. At the end of a relationship we do have to grieve. Its good for us, it helps us heal.

I cant speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself. The time of grieving is when we do reflect back and look at our role, look at what we did or didnt contribute, think about what we could have done differently. Who we were, who we should have been, and who we want to be in the future. Who they were, who we need in the future.

Unless we do that, then you are right, we dont change, we dont learn, and we dont move on to greater things. Thankfully one of the best things about being human is that sooner or later we learn from our mistakes, and from that learning comes growth.

No one is static, everyone changes, thats why some relationships fail. But there is always hope, and there is always a future, and the world keeps changing, and so do the people that we meet.

Take your time to grieve teddybear I hope that the pain you are feeling now will lift soon
Aug 23, 2011 5:53 PM CST The conquerors
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
Martia: DONT DO THIS ........please.... we have all been where you are right now.There is another on this forum going through the same thing.....the difference is he is full of anger and he attacks and blames everyone and anyone but himself.

You! my sweet Rev...... you blame and attack yourself when you know in your heart you HAVE tried.Has it ever occurred to you that all you may be guilty of is looking at the outer package and not going any deeper until its too late!

I was married for many years,he was' when I met him so beautiful of face a body to match with the swagger to fit.

A photo to pass around to the ooh's and aah's of my workmates how lucky was I.
I was blind to the arrogance and meanness that sometimes comes with those who are blessed with those looks.

They mellow with age! I was told, I battled on..... after 25 years it was safe to say he didnt.

Looks fading ,losing hair and gaining weight....... the inevitable affair had to happen,HIM not me.

Midlife Crisis by the book, new aftershave new clothes.Dumb Dumb Dumb was I.

All those years not looking right or left but getting blamed for and punished for guys flirting with me....It was my fault 'not allowed to have a dance or talk by myself to any male.
Thought it was love.... but no I was his property know that now! but not then.

He left his little family when we so desperately needed him! too weak to be a Man,37 years married then gone...... without a backward look.For us 4 years in the wilderness,but we were strong we came through.For a while I dated the confident ...dare I say arrogant types.
Yup a glutton for punishment maybe.... but a learning curve in more ways than one.

I found my true love' or he found me! my gentle Academic a Teacher by profession but also a Mechanic a Farmer he is all of these things.No swagger' scared of height's.

What can I say! not my type ,he persuaded me I was wrong and he was right.

Rev I am a month away from 64 years.... you are still young! If I can find happiness you are an absolute shoe in.....you dont have to change! just look in the right or in your case' wrong places.
It will be alright if you want it to be....you just have have enough strength to want it enough.

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My little write-up was intended to challenge readers to think about themselves, to dig deep into their own hearts, not to put them down or blame them.

And you did well :)
Aug 23, 2011 6:17 PM CST The conquerors
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
No, it is not the pain and self blame, no. I feel much relaxed since moving out, for it was way too stressful there. Everybody thinks I wrote about me, but I just wanted us to take a deep voyage into our own hearts. Do a self-examination, not a self-blame.

Solomon said,
"Catch the foxes for us, The little foxes that are ruining the vineyards, While our vineyards are in blossom."

I can say, through my experience, this is true. We were way too concerned about the big differences and ignored the little annoyances. Well, I can only speak for myself here. It was the small things that led to increased tension and the tension led to bigger problems as the tensions built up resistance as I protested for being ignored. I felt everyone else was more important for her. I often complained that I wasn't loved. I was not treated as a partner in life, but rather, as an extension of her to achieve what she wanted. Why else would I be needed? I was just tolerated as a necessity, regularly being reminded how much better others were... But they were not better, only different.

That does a lot of harm to your self-esteem. Once you start comparing your partner to others... that is the end of relationship. Or maybe it ended well before, we just didn't spell it out and continued on as if it still worked and there was hope...
Aug 23, 2011 6:42 PM CST The conquerors
curly28
curly28curly28Perth, Western Australia Australia53 Threads 5,450 Posts
revealer24: Reading through the profiles I seem to see a lot of hope and strength. "Only contact me if you have left you baggage behind" and "We all have pasts", but we all look forward to the future. The baggage is pushed behind, trampled upon and buried as if never existed. We move on as if we are clean and strong - and victorious!...

But what is left behind is failure... We pretend it was a success and move into the next relationship with our inability to conquer, for we failed... and we repeat the experient again... and again... hoping that next time around it will be different... and the same approach will bring victory!

But we change nothing... it is the same us with the same weaknesses and frailties, with the same faults and intolerances... and though we hope that this time things will be certainly different and we will make it... we are already equipped to fail again... well before we enter another relationship....

Look at the photos of smiling faces... they will cry a few years on... the face full of hope turns dry and desolate... lifeless..., the smile fades away and tears trickle down the deepening wrinkles... but we get used to the pain and do it again... and again..., the same way in a never ending cycle with the hope that something will finally be different...

But what can be different?... Only the pain tolerance of others... for nothing ever changes... we remain the same... because nothing is ever our fault.


WoW! that's a bit deep blues and down and negitave comfort Try being a bit more positive. hug
Aug 23, 2011 6:46 PM CST The conquerors
curly28
curly28curly28Perth, Western Australia Australia53 Threads 5,450 Posts
Martia: DONT DO THIS ........please.... we have all been where you are right now.There is another on this forum going through the same thing.....the difference is he is full of anger and he attacks and blames everyone and anyone but himself.

You! my sweet Rev...... you blame and attack yourself when you know in your heart you HAVE tried.Has it ever occurred to you that all you may be guilty of is looking at the outer package and not going any deeper until its too late!

I was married for many years,he was' when I met him so beautiful of face a body to match with the swagger to fit.

A photo to pass around to the ooh's and aah's of my workmates how lucky was I.
I was blind to the arrogance and meanness that sometimes comes with those who are blessed with those looks.

They mellow with age! I was told, I battled on..... after 25 years it was safe to say he didnt.

Looks fading ,losing hair and gaining weight....... the inevitable affair had to happen,HIM not me.

Midlife Crisis by the book, new aftershave new clothes.Dumb Dumb Dumb was I.

All those years not looking right or left but getting blamed for and punished for guys flirting with me....It was my fault 'not allowed to have a dance or talk by myself to any male.
Thought it was love.... but no I was his property know that now! but not then.

He left his little family when we so desperately needed him! too weak to be a Man,37 years married then gone...... without a backward look.For us 4 years in the wilderness,but we were strong we came through.For a while I dated the confident ...dare I say arrogant types.
Yup a glutton for punishment maybe.... but a learning curve in more ways than one.

I found my true love' or he found me! my gentle Academic a Teacher by profession but also a Mechanic a Farmer he is all of these things.No swagger' scared of height's.

What can I say! not my type ,he persuaded me I was wrong and he was right.

Rev I am a month away from 64 years.... you are still young! If I can find happiness you are an absolute shoe in.....you dont have to change! just look in the right or in your case' wrong places.
It will be alright if you want it to be....you just have have enough strength to want it enough.

Delete or Reply....................................................................


Well said Martia bouquet
Aug 23, 2011 8:00 PM CST The conquerors
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
revealer24: My little write-up was intended to challenge readers to think about themselves, to dig deep into their own hearts, not to put them down or blame them.

And you did well :)




Thank you My dear Rev spoken like a true Male.

Can you see why I cannot leave this little forum.
The depth of the regulars on here shines through,they care for others apart from themselves as they feel your pain as they did mine.

You wrote from the heart (we know that) weak moment perhaps! but we now know there is a real person at the other end,some can open up......some cant.

All I know is that we have seen all types of people pass through this forum' an eye opener in itself ! and through one thing or another some really good guys have been lost but the core support remains as you can now see.

They know me very well ,I am impatient with people who exaggerate and lie..... are forever trying to make an impression, like look at me arnt I clever and then proceed to put others down.... knowing Google is at their fingertips and can turn anyone into a genius immediately. I cannot be patient with them like others on here' my failing I know' but I cannot suffer fools gladly anymore. ( old age I expect )

Dont be a stranger Rev.

hug
Aug 23, 2011 8:34 PM CST The conquerors
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
Martia: Thank you My dear Rev spoken like a true Male.

Can you see why I cannot leave this little forum.
The depth of the regulars on here shines through,they care for others apart from themselves as they feel your pain as they did mine.

You wrote from the heart (we know that) weak moment perhaps! but we now know there is a real person at the other end,some can open up......some cant.

All I know is that we have seen all types of people pass through this forum' an eye opener in itself ! and through one thing or another some really good guys have been lost but the core support remains as you can now see.

They know me very well ,I am impatient with people who exaggerate and lie..... are forever trying to make an impression, like look at me arnt I clever and then proceed to put others down.... knowing Google is at their fingertips and can turn anyone into a genius immediately. I cannot be patient with them like others on here' my failing I know' but I cannot suffer fools gladly anymore. ( old age I expect )

Dont be a stranger Rev.


I do not want to be a stranger, but a challenger. Most of the forum threads are boring and meaningless. I want to challenge people to reach their deepest feelings. I want them to reflect on themselves, the "I", and not the "him" or "her". Self examination can be greatly edifying...
Aug 24, 2011 2:24 AM CST The conquerors
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
revealer24: I do not want to be a stranger, but a challenger. Most of the forum threads are boring and meaningless. I want to challenge people to reach their deepest feelings. I want them to reflect on themselves, the "I", and not the "him" or "her". Self examination can be greatly edifying...



Well, I come on here for entertainment purposes and it's unlikely that my "deepest feelings" will ever appear on a forum, although I know that's not exactly what you were driving at.

Sorry to send out misplaced support - a thank you to the people who thought you were hurting, and wanted to help, wouldn't have gone astray.
Aug 24, 2011 5:14 AM CST The conquerors
pebblesinastream
pebblesinastreampebblesinastreamyarra valley, Victoria Australia5 Threads 449 Posts
revealer24: Reading through the profiles I seem to see a lot of hope and strength. "Only contact me if you have left you baggage behind" and "We all have pasts", but we all look forward to the future. The baggage is pushed behind, trampled upon and buried as if never existed. We move on as if we are clean and strong - and victorious!...

But what is left behind is failure... We pretend it was a success and move into the next relationship with our inability to conquer, for we failed... and we repeat the experient again... and again... hoping that next time around it will be different... and the same approach will bring victory!

But we change nothing... it is the same us with the same weaknesses and frailties, with the same faults and intolerances... and though we hope that this time things will be certainly different and we will make it... we are already equipped to fail again... well before we enter another relationship....

Look at the photos of smiling faces... they will cry a few years on... the face full of hope turns dry and desolate... lifeless..., the smile fades away and tears trickle down the deepening wrinkles... but we get used to the pain and do it again... and again..., the same way in a never ending cycle with the hope that something will finally be different...

But what can be different?... Only the pain tolerance of others... for nothing ever changes... we remain the same... because nothing is ever our fault.
youll always be a good mate of mine revvathumbs up
Aug 24, 2011 6:15 AM CST The conquerors
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
pebblesinastream: youll always be a good mate of mine revva
cheers
Aug 25, 2011 12:23 AM CST The conquerors
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
revealer24: I do not want to be a stranger, but a challenger. Most of the forum threads are boring and meaningless. I want to challenge people to reach their deepest feelings. I want them to reflect on themselves, the "I", and not the "him" or "her". Self examination can be greatly edifying...



OK Rev did that ....I did assume that You would be Contributing !!!! but you might think my threads as irrelevant.....cheap shot but thats me,(sorry I watch question time on TV when doing the ironing)

First of all this is about Me Myself and I so please dont bother to read this if you have something better to do like clean the toilet or such.

So Rev here is what you Challenged.... for what its worth.
Most are not interested what happened hundreds of years ago that Is Boring.... its what affects us here and now,to make day to day living as pleasant as we possibly can.

That Said.

I am a Realist.... I believe in everything constant'how events will affect myself and my fellow man.I do realise that it can be looked upon as selfish and self serving in some instances.

I am not interested in escapism or higher leaning Unless of course it makes a difference for the common good.Which in turn of course will impact in the end on impact on how we live our lives.

I have great empathy with animals,also the hurt and pain that we all go through at critical times in our lives, its not consistent as I am selfish! but I really do want to help people I know sort things out ....maybe because I have been there in one way or another and its the pits.

I am not interested in Face book as such but have used it for tracking down an old friend, I belong to this forum and a couple of Computer help ones as I am always getting myself into trouble on my desktop.In fact my system restore refuses to work anymore.

I dont class myself as clever but have enough grasp of a lot of subjects to be a pain.I also believe 9 times out of 10 my judgment of people is correct.That said I am overly harsh on fools
whether its their fault or not.

As I get older I forget things, I repeat myself which I am sure the members have noticed but are too kind to mention.It also might be because I average about 4 hours of sleep at night for the last 12 yrs or so but sometimes fall in a heap and sleep for about 14 to 15 hours about once a month,the outcome of that is I do suffer health problems of course.

With age I dont care what others think of me as the older I become, I am more invisible like the use by date is fast running out,I dont feel sorry for myself as it has its advantages.

This is why I adore my Dogs as every day is a new day to them ,they are so full of love and enthusiasm and I am in awe of what they are capable of when given the input,bless them.

What do I want.... well for the umpteenth time! I want to retire near the NSW Coast with my partner and dogs and hope and pray I can relax and enjoy the rest of my life with dignity and peace.

Now that was a boring old load of claptrap not asking just stating a fact. Sorry guys.










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Aug 25, 2011 4:31 AM CST The conquerors
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
Martia I've noticed you often mention your age, I know where you're coming from, but our comments and input are just as valid as anyone elses on here thumbs up
Aug 25, 2011 5:31 AM CST The conquerors
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
serene56: Martia I've noticed you often mention your age, I know where you're coming from, but our comments and input are just as valid as anyone elses on here


Oh sorry Serene I did not mean it to sound that way , I suppose I use that for an excuse like memory loss and stuff which does bother me sometimes.... think I may be apologising for it.

I know age does not equal knowledge far from it .

I agree with Rev' sometimes I wish there was more members saying more about themselves.
I really do value others opinions I wish there was a lot more of it not just the same members all the time.


blues
Aug 25, 2011 5:37 AM CST The conquerors
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
Martia: Oh sorry Serene I did not mean it to sound that way , I suppose I use that for an excuse like memory loss and stuff which does bother me sometimes.... think I may be apologising for it.

I know age does not equal knowledge far from it .

I agree with Rev' sometimes I wish there was more members saying more about themselves.
I really do value others opinions I wish there was a lot more of it not just the same members all the time.



What would you like to talk about grin
Aug 25, 2011 6:07 AM CST The conquerors
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
I read Rev's post and thought "this guy needs serious help." Reading on and I have lost the plot. Martia seems very contented with her situation, not sure why she is here but assuming like me she enjoys the social interaction as well as well as sharing her experiences through life. Maybe it will help others knowing what some others have been through before and be able to pick up something that will benefit some of us.

Way back in 1963 when getting autographs was the big thing, a student teacher wrote in my autograph book (yes I still have it along with Little Patty and Col Joy) "The best advice is - don't give it." Like Martia, I try to share my experiences and what I did or didn't do and what were the outcomes. However, I do give 3 pieces of advice when asked:

1. Seek professional advice
2. Take 2 aspiriin and go to bed
3. Take all your clothes off and jump up on the table and I will have a look at the problem.
Aug 25, 2011 6:09 AM CST The conquerors
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
wash2u: I read Rev's post and thought "this guy needs serious help." Reading on and I have lost the plot. Martia seems very contented with her situation, not sure why she is here but assuming like me she enjoys the social interaction as well as well as sharing her experiences through life. Maybe it will help others knowing what some others have been through before and be able to pick up something that will benefit some of us.

Way back in 1963 when getting autographs was the big thing, a student teacher wrote in my autograph book (yes I still have it along with Little Patty and Col Joy) "The best advice is - don't give it." Like Martia, I try to share my experiences and what I did or didn't do and what were the outcomes. However, I do give 3 pieces of advice when asked:

1. Seek professional advice
2. Take 2 aspiriin and go to bed
3. Take all your clothes off and jump up on the table and I will have a look at the problem.



That pretty much covers everything thumbs up


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